Outliving your generation

oggbashan

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Today I went to a family funeral. Not my family, my wife's family.

The deceased , in his early 90s, was a very eminent man in his several careers, first as an oil company manager in the Middle East, in the RAF and Military Intelligence in WWII, as an oil company manager again, then two later careers successfully turning around failing public services (the poison chalice type of jobs that no one would take because failure is almost inevitable - he didn't fail).

However, there was only one relation almost of his generation there. All the others had died before him so very few of us could understand or relate to what he had done and the circumstances in which he had performed miracles for his country and his various employers. The acknowledgement of his achievements was in the word before and the letters after his name. Yet his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren barely knew what they meant. They were grieving for a lost parent, grandparent and great grandfather who had a sense of humour and a definite expectation that his descendents would achieve.

The RAF sent a contingent to honour him. The members of that contingent were the ages of his great-grandchildren. To them his RAF service was over long before their parents were born and therefore ancient history.

If Military Intelligence sent anyone they were incognito. The oil company sent one of the managers that he had trained. His other later employers also sent representatives. Who could they talk to about his work? His relations didn't understand because for much of his life he could NOT talk about what he had done. It was secret, and he was of a generation that believed that what was secret should stay that way because telling what was done by whom and why could jeopardise current affairs. If I am correct in the impression I gained from talking to the work colleagues, I suspect that his 'secrets' could still have repercussions on the UK's relationships with several countries in the Middle East.

As most family funerals are, it was a gathering of people who are unlikely to meet again until the next funeral or marriage. It was a happy affair because we were celebrating a family man who was a Christian with a firm belief. We were saying goodbye for a while.

However I was still sad. even as an outsider, that so few of his immediate family could appreciate his achievements. Only his contemporaries could do that - and they are already dead.

It is a sad thing to outlive your partner, your friends and your colleagues. You may still have your children, grandchildren and other younger friends but to whom to you say 'Do you remember?' With whom do you swap stories about your dangerous youth (and in his case middle age - he was caught up in the Six-Day War and had to get his employees out from between the armies)?

I wish I had known him better.

Og
 
Og,

Thanks for sharing that. I found it very touching. And you are right, I have no idea how it would be to out of time, where there was no one left from your generation...it must have been lonely at times.
 
That's a beautiful sentiment Og.

It sort of reminds me of my ex-wife's grandfather. He was in his 30s in WWII, and worked as a radioman on a navy ship in the South Pacific. They called him Gramps, lol. He visited Tokyo after Hiroshima, probably as one of the early occupation forces there. His only child was his daughter, my mother-in-law, and her only child was my ex. When we married and had a son, he was such a doting great-grandparent - very out of character from how he treated his daughter and granddaughter, or that's the impression I got from their reactions. He was a bit of a hard drinker at times, and gambled a bit, though I never saw him do those things out of control. He probably kept a flask or two in the basement, and most of the relatives seemed to think he had money stashed in jars down there, since he retired early. He used to tell me war stories - more anecdotes, really. But they were things he never shared with the girls, and I think they resented that. He would type up funny notes to my son, complete with pictures cut out of the newspaper or magazines. I saved them for him, as I'm sure my ex would have thrown them out.

It's true, he probably outlived most of his friends, and all the relatives were a stubborn lot that got together for holidays - he never seemed to like those get-togethers, until he had my son and I to chat with, with no history or grudges. I liked him, and I think he liked me.
 
Quite a story Og!

I lets me put a bit of perspective to my own story. I have outlived most of those I grew up with [or whatever I did.] However it is a somewhat different situation because almost none of those I grew up with lasted through their 20s ands some never made it to their 20s. Robbing liquor stores and gas stations is a high risk type of occupation.
 
My own perspective is very different.

Firstly, the love of my life is the same age as my eldest son, and I'm the same age as her mother. Our future is going to be interesting, and she jokingly tells me she's going to put her mother and me in the same nursing home. Thanks, babe. ;)

Secondly, my sister, 3 years younger than me is severely disabled with MS, and unable to do anything for herself. According to her neurologist when she was first diagnosed at the age of 21, any time she lives over the age of 40 (13 years ago), is a bonus. My mother is 85 this year, and lives with the constant threat of outliving her youngest child. I can't imagine how that's going to be for her when it happens. Or us - my two brothers and myself - come to that. No-one should outlive their children. Its against nature, but it happens. I just hope it doesn't happen to me.
 
matriarch said:
No-one should outlive their children. Its against nature, but it happens. I just hope it doesn't happen to me.

Amen. It's a very real possibility for me, too ... and I know part of me will die if it happens. I have that child to thank for so many things -- including the person I am today. He's so much more than my son.

:rose:
 
It's an interesting question. I don't expect to ever have children, but if I did, I wonder how hard it would be to outlive them. It reminds me of the scene in LOTR: The Two Towers, when King Theoden of Rohan is mourning the death of his son. He says something like, "No parent should have to bury their son." Evidently, he found the experience every bit as bitter.
 
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