Opposite-Sex First-Person Narrator

[chrissy_cat]

I usually use 3rd person, but what is your experience with using first person but opposite your true gender? Does anyone view this as a good exercise?


- cwissee

 

[chrissy_cat]

My opposite-gender narrator example : hope u like ( LOVE )

G. and I were married 8 years ago before she became famous for her TV shows and gained a large following of mostly horny men who watch her show just to ogle her gorgeous 36D-26-34, 5-foot-3 body.

I know fellas, you would like to think she is a tigress in the sack, but sorry to break your bubbles guys, she is actually quite shy regarding sex and it has been a long patient journey to bring her out from her inhibitions. For example, she really hates the idea of giving oral and I am lucky to get even one blowjob every two or three years from my darling wife. Sadly, the more famous and in demand she has become, the less likely she will go down on me.

One glorious exception though occurred the night before her birthday and we celebrated as a couple at a trendy restaurant in LA. I talked her into some champagne and a grappa to go along with our wine and, as I had hoped and planned, after three glasses I practically had to carry my little sexy symbol wife home. Our daughter was staying with Grandma, and our maid was off for the weekend so I got hard as soon as we entered our house. Right in the marble-tiled foyer, I put pressure on her shoulders and she slumped down on her knees in her gorgeous red silk dress. As she giggled and protested I gripped her beautiful soft brown hair and unzipped. She protested in a drunken, cute and silly way, talking 200 words a minute, until finally I pushed my dick into between her pretty red lips and started to pump. I felt my cock push past her teeth into the warm wet heaven that so many men dream of. We have a full length mirror beside the door and I could see her reflection in it; her beautiful fit form on her knees, a hand persistently pulling her head onto a hard cock in a steady forceful rhythm. Her protests continued and I held both her wrists tightly above her head with my other hand - to keep from getting punched. She struggled to try to free her wrists, but I held tight and pumped into her mouth. As angry and as drunk as she was, I knew she wouldn't dare try to bite down on me as that would get her a slap and a divorce as quick as you can say "swallow it". She doesn't want to be a single-mom.

Before or during my precious few previous blowjobs from my darling wife there would always be a whiny and pointed negotiation where she insisted that I not cum inside her mouth and let her jack me off into her hand instead. No such foolishness occurred this time. After several deep thrusts I held her head tightly with both hands, balls deep into her mouth as she gagged and pushed back against my thighs, and I came like a champion at the back of her mouth and throat. It was heaven.

I let her go after my flood of hot cumshots subsided, and she crumpled on the foyer and spat up sperm and saliva into her hand and onto the floor in a most unladylike fashion. It definitely was the couch for me that night, but in the morning she made me breakfast with a bright smile, and even let me grope her gorgeous plump breasts under her terry robe as she plated her dishes. "I let you get away with way too much last night Mister" she said waving her finger and a spatula. With one hand squeezing her perfect tit and the other feeling it's way below her bushy pubes, I replied, " I'm just getting started honey"



suggestions? / comments?

 

[lovecraft68]

One suggestion. Men do not think in numbers and measurements. When I look at a woman I don't think, "Whoa look at that, that's a 38 around d-cup set of tits and I bet that waist isn't more than 24""

Statistics are a distraction.

You can say she had ample tits, and a slender waist or simply say he loved to admire her amazing figure.

Another point-and this is going by what I like as a reader and feel as a writer, so I am not saying this is etched in stone- First person is fine. I do a lot of it. But I tend to not enjoy stories where the narrator is speaking to me.

I know what you're thinking guys...

I don't want you to converse with me I want you to tell me what is going on.

Example

With a body like Allison's I would have thought she'd have been hot horny and ready to go. I was surprised to discover that she was on the shy side and had no sexual experience whatsoever.

One other point and one given to me by a great author here named Paco Fear when he was nice enough to look over my first story. Drop the word Actually. Never use that word. Read your sentence without it and it will sound fine.

 

[Sean Renaud]

There are great stories written every which way so I don't want to come out the gate telling you what you can and can't do.

That said I would be hesitant to attempt a first person story from the opposite gender. Men and women don't really think the same ways and certainly don't understand the same sensations in sex. I'm fairly certain I would botch the hell out of what a woman thinks heading into sex. Unless it's that rolly eye look she gives when I ask her to dress up as Sailor Moon. . .no not a school girl you has super powers now say something dramatic! I know full well what that means but the rest . . . yeah.

 

[patientlee]

There are great stories written every which way so I don't want to come out the gate telling you what you can and can't do.

That said I would be hesitant to attempt a first person story from the opposite gender. Men and women don't really think the same ways and certainly don't understand the same sensations in sex. I'm fairly certain I would botch the hell out of what a woman thinks heading into sex.

That's what makes it a challenge (and therefore fun). My advice would be to go for it. Have a beta reader of the narrator's gender give you feedback before you send it out into the world.

Good luck.

 

[PennLady]

As Sean Renaud said, there are plenty of good stories written by authors from the opposite sex POV, so it certainly can be done. I did it with my story King's Bay, and tried for something of an opposite-orientation approach in my story Lessons Learned.

Your story strikes me as how you think guys think, or what you think they like to hear or read, and that's not necessarily accurate.

Edit: I'd said previously that men and women don't think in terms of numbers, but that's not true, or at least not true across the board. I'm sure some do, and it doesn't matter whether the measurements are accurate. It's just a person's perception of them, and that's what's important for the reader.

Also, your narrator/narration is very uneven. He swings from being what seems like an average, decent guy to a real schmuck. He's forcing her to give a blow job and if she doesn't, he'll divorce her? But she makes him breakfast the next day? I'm sure there's an audience for that, but there are also a lot of readers, including men, who would not like that. So it seems like another instance of you writing what you think guys like, or how you think guys think.

 

[sr71plt]

If guys and gals don't think in terms of statistics, then why is the 38C-type statistic so persistent among writers and readers alike here at Literotica? I posit that there are some men (and probably some women) sets that do, in fact, use statistics for their perceptions of characteristic comparisons. There no one way that either men or women (or both men and women) perceive anything in total agreement with others.

Don't try to tell me with a straight face that there are no men--or no sets of men--who look at a woman's chest and immediately classify her as "those are 36 knockers." And who put it in stories they write and who visualize a character best when they read the stats in a story. It doesn't matter one iota to what they think they are seeing that the stats are accurate or not--it still registers in their brain in a little category box there.

 

[PennLady]

Don't try to tell me with a straight face that there are no men--or no sets of men--who look at a woman's chest and immediately classify her as "those are 36 knockers." And who put it in stories they write and who visualize a character best when they read the stats in a story. It doesn't matter one iota to what they think they are seeing that the stats are accurate or not--it still registers in their brain in a little category box there.

You're right. Some people surely do estimate measurements on other people, whether it is correct or not. Just a generalization on my part, and way too broad at that.

I would also posit, though, that some authors include these things because they think the readers expect it, whether the readers do or not. And surely some do.

 

[StrangeLife]

Don't try to tell me with a straight face that there are no men--or no sets of men--who look at a woman's chest and immediately classify her as "those are 36 knockers."

Well, I have been married to my present partner for quite a while yet I still couldn't tell you her exact measurements. I can tell you the the exact tire size for my car or the bore of the cylinders, but when it comes to female anatomy even the most analytical male brain tends to regress into muck.

Allow me to illustrate the point...



Man answering a math question

http://markvanderpool.naiwe.com/files/2013/01/math-genius.jpg





Man answering a boob question

http://howtomeetagirl.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/caveman-meeting-girl.jpg

 

[sr71plt]

Well, I have been married to my present partner for quite a while yet I still couldn't tell you her exact measurements. I can tell you the the exact tire size for my car or the bore of the cylinders, but when it comes to female anatomy even the most analytical male brain tends to regress into muck.

Well, goodie for you. Once again why do we have so many stories here including measurements if there aren't both writers and readers in the mind-set to register that and get off on it?

So your's is the only male perception in existence? That's both arrogant and pretty stupid--even though you can find funny illustrations to mark it.

I don't know my wife's measurements either. The difference between me and you, I guess, is that I don't think mine is the only mind-set in existence or that has a right for anyone to be aroused by.

This is just an example of the false snobbery of some posting to Literotica.

Geezzz.

 

[sr71plt]

I would also posit, though, that some authors include these things because they think the readers expect it, whether the readers do or not. And surely some do.

Which probably can be informed by checking the Views for the stories. Hey, look, another statistic. People around here love statistics (well, the more high-brow ones, I guess).

 

[lovecraft68]

Well, goodie for you. Once again why do we have so many stories here including measurements if there aren't both writers and readers in the mind-set to register that and get off on it?

So your's is the only male perception in existence? That's both arrogant and pretty stupid--even though you can find funny illustrations to mark it.

I don't know my wife's measurements either. The difference between me and you, I guess, is that I don't think mine is the only mind-set in existence or that has a right for anyone to be aroused by.

This is just an example of the false snobbery of some posting to Literotica.

Geezzz.

Wouldn't know that from your history here which is to thump your chest and constantly try to shove your way down people's throats. Usually always backed by endless false claims of expertise.

To say your entire post is the pot calling the kettle black is an understatement.

 

[lovecraft68]

Well, I have been married to my present partner for quite a while yet I still couldn't tell you her exact measurements. I can tell you the the exact tire size for my car or the bore of the cylinders, but when it comes to female anatomy even the most analytical male brain tends to regress into muck.

Well its not easy. I thought I had my wife's size figured out and went and bought some fun lingerie for her.

But of course it seems lingerie fits differently from everyday undergarments and the cups were too small and I was off by a size on the inches.

 

[SecondCircle]

Well, goodie for you. Once again why do we have so many stories here including measurements if there aren't both writers and readers in the mind-set to register that and get off on it?

So your's is the only male perception in existence? That's both arrogant and pretty stupid--even though you can find funny illustrations to mark it.

I don't know my wife's measurements either. The difference between me and you, I guess, is that I don't think mine is the only mind-set in existence or that has a right for anyone to be aroused by.

This is just an example of the false snobbery of some posting to Literotica.

Geezzz.

Not sure why you had to address it with such contempt but I agree with you. Some men haven't a clue what a woman's measurements are. But I can honestly say I've eyed a top heavy gal and thought, "Damn. Those gotta be like C's." Or "poor thing. Why do they make an A cup."

It crosses my mind certainly. Do I want those measurements spelled out in a story about a woman? No, not really. To me it's flat and unimaginative. Like a description of a felon in a police report or something. It allows me to picture her I guess but I like more poetic or creative ways of showing me the girls she's got.

As for the OP's question, I'd say go for it. Tons of writers here pull it off everyday. I do it, though I'm not sure if I do it well. But I don't try to think too much about not pulling it off. I just do what I do with other characters. I put myself in their shoes, flip the switches, and try to act like they would. Become them, so to speak. That can be tricky, being gender, but not impossible. Go for it.

Then do what Patientlee suggested. Maybe grab a beta reader of that sex and see if they raise an eyebrow too much.

 

[StrangeLife]

Well, goodie for you. Once again why do we have so many stories here including measurements if there aren't both writers and readers in the mind-set to register that and get off on it?

It's usually lazy writers attempting to set the scene in a rushed fashion (like in the style of: "I'm not gonna waste a lot of effort in creating a scenario as part of the story - just accept that she's a hot redhead with 34C boobs and a big ass and I have a 5 inch cock, ok?")

The difference between me and you, I guess, is that I don't think mine is the only mind-set in existence or that has a right for anyone to be aroused by.

I do have some empirical data on the subject from my niece who has worked in lingerie retail for several years. According to her, most women know the exact numbers and most men don't. The common reply from guys shopping for their girlfriends are:

"Eh... I don't know... kinda normal size I guess..."

They usually handle it by lining up a few employees and asking the guy which one resembles his girl the most.

This is just an example of the false snobbery of some posting to Literotica.

Nothing "false" about it Pilot. I am the real thing - a genuine snob through and through

 

[lovecraft68]

For me I see stats as a shortcut. 38c is the easy way out of describing them in a better way just as 10" is easier than finding a way to describe a big cock.

The first author I ever talked to here was Paco Fear who was nice enough to answer a new author who contacted him out of the blue to ask him what he thought of my story

I had the woman with a "full c-cup" he said to never use numbers let the reader use their imagination.

My "ample" might be said c-cup another guy more into breasts may want that to be DD let the reader decide.

"His sizable cock" is that 8"? for many women it is, but to a size queen they might want to envision 11" so...

let them. Let the reader come up with the image.

That's not how everyone sees it, but I'll just say that looking at how PF's stories are received here. I was willing to listen and never had anyone say "Hey cut this ample shit! Is she a d? A C?

And the average guy does not look at a woman's chest and shoot out statistics. I am sure some can, most can't and when writing I go with what I think the majority will understand.

I simply say "Wow, she's got nice tits." Works for me.

 

[patientlee]

Ah. The measurement debate. I hate numbers. I use them as little as possible.

 

[lovecraft68]

It's usually lazy writers attempting to set the scene in a rushed fashion (like in the style of: "I'm not gonna waste a lot of effort in creating a scenario as part of the story - just accept that she's a hot redhead with 34C boobs and a big ass and I have a 5 inch cock, ok?")






I do have some empirical data on the subject from my niece who has worked in lingerie retail for several years. According to her, most women know the exact numbers and most men don't. The common reply from guys shopping for their girlfriends are:

"Eh... I don't know... kinda normal size I guess..."

They usually handle it by lining up a few employees and asking the guy which one resembles his girl the most.





Nothing "false" about it Pilot. I am the real thing - a genuine snob through and through

stop wasting your time. We're a post away from

 

[sr71plt]

And the average guy does not look at a woman's chest and shoot out statistics.

And you know this how? I think it's probably true, but I'm not arrogant enough to assert something is true that's as impossible to prove as that. I take it the average man is every man living in Rhode Island? (which, I admit, would be much easier to poll than most anywhere else--and that you, possibly, don't know there is anyplace else.)

The point here is that this is a Web site serving an extremely broad range of interests. Anyone asserting what everyone does or doesn't do or should or shouldn't do in either writing or reading stories here is arrogant and full of barf.

 

[fifty5]

The OP was about POV - 1st person of the opposite gender - why the hell hijack the thread into the issue of numeric statistics?

I did it (first person POV of the opposite gender) by thinking of how two women might think about a situation that was partly real - sybling rivalry and incest was my fantasy in a real context. One comment suggested I got it right, so can I suggest you follow my method (there may well be many others but this worked for me): start from a real situation you've actually lived through and try to think how someone (of the opposite gender) might react. Sure, vive la difference, but we're all, male and female, just people. If you start from the premise that both can be randy and just explore how that could go, it's entirely possible!

To see my attempt, fwiw, click "Is it 'Incest' or 'Group Sex'?" below.

 

[MSTarot]

I usually use 3rd person, but what is your experience with using first person but opposite your true gender? Does anyone view this as a good exercise?


- cwissee

I've done a fair bit of this. Enough that some of my readers have sent me posts asking just what gender I am.

It can really be a wrap your head around a lamp post type exercise to try and figure out. Fun though.

 

[Acktion]

eh heh. Boobs. Boobies. Hooters. Tatas. Chigangas.

Oh, wait. What was the question? Oh, yeah.

So, you are writing a story from the first person perspective of the gender opposite of the one you were born to and live in from day to day. Actually, I do this quite a bit now. I could lie and say I am getting in touch with my feminine side, but anyone who has actually met me for more than five minutes will tell you, "he ain't got one".

It started with a single story. One that I worked my ass off on for months and then, when it was submitted, was summarily rejected. After about a six month cool down period, I pulled it out and looked at it again. And, man did it ever suck diseased moose wang.

And then I asked myself the fateful question. "Why the fuck would she do THAT?"

When I next looked up, I had a soda that had gone flat, three cigarettes that had burned in the ashtray and two pages of what was going through HER head instead of HIS.

Then I did something really stupid and submitted it. And got trounced in the voting. The thing is, very few of the comments actually mentioned anything about the writing qua writing. They all said things like "total rubbish", "only a complete tool would think a real woman thought anything like that", and so forth.

A part of me scratched my hairy ass and chuckled. If ever there was a rousing endorsement of manhood, that has to be it, right? I mean if you can think like a woman, doesn't that mean you are womanly? Or maybe just gay?

But, you know that old archetype about the male warrior psyche who is incapable of backing away from a challenge even when he knows beyond a doubt that the smart money says he will fail?

Yeah, it really sucks sometimes.

I'm still more than a little amused and disturbed by some of the messages I get from some of my later submissions. I just have to kick back and dig my fingernails through the pelt on my gut and think "you seriously bought that?"

But, hey. If smart guys like Maslowe and Gardner just to name two are still trying to figure out the WHY of people, then I have not the hubris to think I will.

And yet, I find myself wondering that very question in answer to your question; WHY write from the first person perspective of the opposite gender? I mean, if you really think about it, it flies completely in the face of traditional wisdom handed down through the ages to "write what you know". (Or at least for the last several decades that I've been mildly interested in the subject.)

So, why? What is granted to the story that wouldn't be if it was written from the perspective of your own gender? Or from the third person, be it limited or omniscient?

Let me be perfectly clear. I would be the last person to tell you not to since I've just admitted I do it. Nor am I telling you to do it. I am just asking you to ask yourself "why do it?"

If the answer is "because I want to", then that may be answer enough.

Maybe the answer is "because it would be some funny shit". I've lost count of what I've done that was answer.

Maybe it just feels good and right. <paste above answer here and double it>

Maybe it's a challenge. <ditto quadrupled>

Or maybe the cerebral exercise of switching perspectives to the off gender allows you as the writer to conditionally remove yourself from being too personally invested in the development of the character and increase the quality of writing exponentially from what your ego and libido would have allowed it to be if you had maintained the positional stance of the gender that most closely matches yours for the protagonist.

Ok, I've either had too much medication or not enough since I am not sure what the hell I just said.

So, yeah... following the K.I.S.S. principle, if you want to write it, write it. If you think someone else will enjoy it, submit it. If you have any answer to the why that satisfies you.

And in conclusion. Man, am I glad I don't have boobs. I'd never get shit done for looking down my own shirt. I don't know shit for A, B, C, or DD. Far as I'm concerned they're all OMFGs. And that's just the top half! The bottom half... I'd be rendered speechless.

Which may not be a bad thing.

 

[patientlee]

I've done a fair bit of this. Enough that some of my readers have sent me posts asking just what gender I am.

It can really be a wrap your head around a lamp post type exercise to try and figure out. Fun though.

#1- The MS before the Tarot is misleading.

#2- You do it well.

I thought you were a girl after I read Lavender and Jasmine.

 

[MSTarot]

#1- The MS before the Tarot is misleading.

#2- You do it well.

I thought you were a girl after I read Lavender and Jasmine.

Well, if the site would have let me go with the first spelling... M.S.Tarot... it wouldn't have been as bad.

When I tried that I got told no punctuation.


Nope not a girl. Just a guy raised by a lot of women, with a good imagination.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Well, goodie for you. Once again why do we have so many stories here including measurements if there aren't both writers and readers in the mind-set to register that and get off on it?

Large amounts of poor w

And the average guy does not look at a woman's chest and shoot out statistics.

And you know this how? I think it's probably true, but I'm not arrogant enough to assert something is true that's as impossible to prove as that.

The average man simply lacks the skill. It's like asking how do I know the average man can't look at a wall and tell me how many bricks are in it. He might be able to approximate the height and length (though to be fair most people are shit at estimating height. Anything taller than the estimater is automatically ten feet and ten feet generally stretches until about thirty and after that it becomes "fucked if I know, really big". Don't even get me started on how fucked up people are at estimating crowd sizes) of it but the guys who have the innate skill to just tell you how many bricks are in it are few and far between.