Operation Wetback

[UltraChad]

They are only protecting the voting rights of citizens.

"undocumented citizens" aren't citizens.

 

[UltraChad]

Jus solis citizenship cannot be abolished without repealing the 14th Amendment.

Sure it can, and so can restricting voting privileges.

 

[Politruk]

"undocumented citizens" aren't citizens.

And Dems are not defending their voting rights -- and are not referring to them as "undocumented citizens."

 

[Politruk]

Sure it can, and so can restricting voting privileges.

Not even in its present formation will the SCOTUS ever reject birthright citizenship. The language of the 14th Amendment is too unambiguous.

 

[UltraChad]

And Dems are not defending their voting rights -- and are not referring to them as "undocumented citizens."

They are, explicitly so, and they are, explicitly so.

Have ben for years.

Not even in its present formation will the SCOTUS ever reject birthright citizenship. The language of the 14th Amendment is too unambiguous.

It's up to Congress not SCOTUS. Pleas learn how the US government works.

Nothing about the 14th says we can't end birthright citizenship, deport the fuckin' shit out of illegals OR restrict voting rights.

 

[Politruk]

They are, explicitly so, and they are, explicitly so.

Have ben for years.

Every word of that is a lie.

It's up to Congress not SCOTUS.

No, it is not. Birthright citizenship is a constitutional matter -- Congress can't touch it.

 

[UltraChad]

Every word of that is a lie.

No it's not...it's literally why Democrats got smoked so badly.

And until they acknowledge that and stop pushing for open borders and showing illegals in premium benefits to funnel money into blue shit holes??? They're going to keep losing.

No, it is not. Birthright citizenship is a constitutional matter -- Congress can't touch it.

Congress is literally the only branch of government that can. They can rewrite the whole fucking Constitution if they want.

Did you not make it past the 3rd grade??

 

[Politruk]

Congress is literally the only branch of government that can. They can rewrite the whole fucking Constitution if they want.

No, they can't. No part of the Constitution can be changed without the assent of 3/4 of the state legislatures.

 

[Politruk]

No it's not...it's literally why Democrats got smoked so badly.

Not for trying to let noncitizens vote, they didn't!

 

[UltraChad]

No, they can't. No part of the Constitution can be changed without the assent of 3/4 of the state legislatures.

And 2/3 of Congress can put up whatever amendments it wants because Congress is the only branch of the government that can touch the Constitution itself. Needing the consent of the states for ratification doesn't change that.

SCOTUS sure as fuck has nothing to do with it as you suggested it might.

 

[UltraChad]

Not for trying to let noncitizens vote, they didn't!

Yes, that's part of the whole immigration and 'undocumented citizen" bullshit that Democrats did that pissed everyone off at them.

 

[Politruk]

Yes, that's part of the whole immigration and 'undocumented citizen" bullshit that Democrats did that pissed everyone off at them.

That was not an election issue at all this year. Immigration as such was, but votes for noncitizens was not. And "undocumented citizen" is a phrase you just made up, not one any Democrat ever uses.

 

[Politruk]

And 2/3 of Congress can put up whatever amendments it wants because Congress is the only branch of the government that can touch the Constitution itself. Needing the consent of the states for ratification doesn't change that.

SCOTUS sure as fuck has nothing to do with it as you suggested it might.

SCOTUS can't amend the Constitution, but how it interprets the Constitution is authoritative.

Birthright citizenship can be abolished only if

1) the SCOTUS reverses the longstanding plain-language interpretation that the 14th Amendment guarantees birthright citizenship, or

2) 3/4 of the state legislatures agree to repeal the 14th.

Neither of which will happen in your lifetime.

Your Heinleinian notion of citizenship as something to be earned through military service or whatever is extremely un-American and will only ever appeal to fringe cranks.

 

[UltraChad]

That was not an election issue at all this year.

You can stick your head up your ass and pretend Democrats didn't fuck up on the immigration issue all you like.

Cope harder bud.

SCOTUS can't amend the Constitution, but how it interprets the Constitution is authoritative.

Birthright citizenship can be abolished only if

1) the SCOTUS reverses the longstanding plain-language interpretation that the 14th Amendment guarantees birthright citizenship,

No, the SCOTUS doesn't get to just do what it wants and call it "interpretation" .

 

[Rebel5soul]

As we have found out on other cases THIS court is grounded in historical intent, text, and tradition. The section that is referred to regarding 'birth right' is NOT as clear a case as the liberals profess it to be.

The clause subject to interpretation is, "subject to the jurisdiction thereof."

 

[Politruk]

No, the SCOTUS doesn't get to just do what it wants and call it "interpretation" .

That is exactly what the SCOTUS gets to do.

 

[UltraChad]

2) 3/4 of the state legislatures agree to repeal the 14th.

Neither of which will happen in your lifetime.

We're damn close as it is, we've even got some stuff in the works for a convention.

Something blue states won't ever have in our lifetimes.

Your Heinleinian notion of citizenship as something to be earned through military service or whatever is extremely un-American and will only ever appeal to fringe cranks.

Nothing un-American about it, "fringe cranks" being anyone who isn't ignoring the clear issues with universal suffrage.

Letting millions of people have have no basic knowledge of or interest in the USA, vote on how to do things in the USA, isn't going well. and people are starting to notice.

 

[UltraChad]

That is exactly what the SCOTUS gets to do.

No, it's not. And it's certainly not what they are supposed to do,

 

[Politruk]

As we have found out on other cases THIS court is grounded in historical intent, text, and tradition. The section that is referred to regarding 'birth right' is NOT as clear a case as the liberals profess it to be.

The clause subject to interpretation is, "subject to the jurisdiction thereof."

Nobody but a child of diplomats is born on U.S. soil but outside U.S. jurisdiction.

 

[Politruk]

No, it's not. And it's certainly not what they are supposed to do,

The SCOTUS has judicial-review power. It has the final say on what any clause of the Constitution means. That's how it is ever since Marbury vs. Madison.

 

[Politruk]

We're damn close as it is, we've even got some stuff in the works for a convention.

Something blue states won't ever have in our lifetimes.

Doesn't matter if the proposal comes out of Congress or a convention -- 3/4 of the states will never agree to repeal the 14th.

Nothing un-American about it, "fringe cranks" being anyone who isn't ignoring the clear issues with universal suffrage.

No such issues are apparent.

Letting millions of people have have no basic knowledge of or interest in the USA, vote on how to do things in the USA, isn't going well. and people are starting to notice.

We abolished literacy tests for voting decades ago -- we abolished property qualifications for voting in the 19th Century -- we're certainly never going to institute anything more restrictive.

 

[UltraChad]

Doesn't matter if the proposal comes out of Congress or a convention -- 3/4 of the states will never agree to repeal the 14th.

They don't have to. They can just amend the birthright citizenship part.

We abolished literacy tests for voting decades ago -- we abolished property qualifications for voting in the 19th Century --we're certainly never going to institute anything more restrictive.

Why not? A citizenship test and some sort of civil or military service is hardly restrictive and just some good ol' COMMON SENSE REGULATION!!!!

 

[Politruk]

They don't have to. They can just amend the birthright citizenship part.

That won't ever get the 3/4 either.

Why not? A citizenship test and some sort of civil or military service is hardly restrictive and just some good ol' COMMON SENSE REGULATION!!!!

The American people will never see it that way -- not if it applies to their own kids. Testing immigrants for citizenship is different.

 

[UltraChad]

That won't ever get the 3/4 either.

Why not?

The American people will never see it that way --

Radical leftist who want the whole planet to come and vote the USA out of everything it has is not "the American people" it's just Democrats, and they aren't winning anymore.

Everyone see's what a bunch of vile sell outs they are.

not if it applies to their own kids.

The people who educate their kids instead of sending them to a public baby sitting service, will.

Testing immigrants for citizenship is different.

No it's not.

 

[Politruk]

Why not?

Because most Americans don't want birthright citizenship abolished. Have you ever seen a poll that says different?