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[poohlive]

Again, you are attacking me, and not my content. I do wish that you yourself would take your own adivce you have given me, and grow up. Inteligence is something that no one can be without, and while I am not one to make a judgement on yours, what you have done thus far gives me a pretty good idea.
A script is recalled to perception. A person in a given script is called to say a line. In this line, a many number of things can be protrayed to the audience. This is the same with any kind of writing. Take Maupassant for example, he was a great writer who put his characters through sad and dissenting obstacles throughout his stories, and yet it was still all percieved. The characters only went through this troubled times through the narrator's eyes. Through someone else's eyes they might be just a trivial part of life.
In The Rival's, a woman wants to marry this one lowly peasent, simply because she dreams of running off together and living the poor life. A rich man has pretended to be this poor person in order to woo her. The problem comes when the man's father tells him he has found a wife for him. It is the same person he has been wooing. This woman now wants to run away with a poor man, is forced to marry a rich one, and they are both the same one. Someone might say this is devastating for her, another might say she is grateful for getting to marry someone whom she loves.
All part of perception. Thus as the way both yours and my sides to the arguement are constructing. Of course I am going to twist your words, because you wrote them, and you did not explain them clear enough. You are doing the same to mine, picking out the half truths and attacking the smallest of details.
That is the point to an entire arguement. If two people were not able to consort and twist each other's words to see the flaw's within their own, then the arguement is pointless. I talked of contradicting myself earlier, and that is exactly what you are doing here.
I have a question. You called me a bitch and a jackass? Both of these are interesting animals, and in my eye I would not like to be particularly either of them. Which one am I, a bitch or a jackass? I can see you either calling me one or the other, but not both. A bitch is co-dependant and to a lesser degree weak, but a jackass is stubborn and proud and strong. These two things contradict each other. So, which is it, a bitch or a jackass?
When I gave my apple example, I never expected you to be at your computer. Well, you could be on a lab top, or possibly just set it outside. There are a number of ways for this example to work, I thank you for finding that slight flaw, I have fixed it, and it is valid once again.
As for childish name calling, I will leave you to that. You seem to be better at it than me. I remember asking you to be somewhat grown up about this whole argument thing, but I suppose that has just gone past you. It is no mind however, you can do it if you want. It is a free country and a free website, so have at it.
Although your arguement isn't as strong with them.
Just my opinion. At least I am honest with this, you haven't really been honest with a lot of things, you have just been bashing at me the last few posts. A few good points with in my arguements, but for the most part they have been simple bashing and... jabbing.
Take it away then, I would like to see how this does develop.

 

[Weevil]

Your fancy dancing is great but pointless. It wasn't a matter of perception. You can try to explain perception all you want but it wasn't a question of perception. This is why your apple comment is still invalid. It was never a question of perception.

Your Content???? YOUR CONTENT???? I step by step deconstructed everything you said and used quotes directly from you. Try to put your head back on and use it properly.

One does not twist and contort anothers words. I haven't. I've taken direct quotes from you, pointed out the flaws. You've contorted my words in the most juvenile manner and made faulty and illogical statemens based on things you imagine that I've said.

As to the animal thing they are slang terms. I don't think you are really an animal. The fact that you can't take things figuratively really shocks and saddens me. Also, in the slang, bitches are not weak or co-dependant.

Where have I contradicted myself?? Use proof and examples. You can't make unfounded accusations with no proof and expect any credibility to be given to your charges.

What, pray tell, haven't I been honest about? Can you be less vague? Or are your arguments only applicable when you don't have to give evidence to support your statements? Also, I've never denied the fact that I've been swinging at you. It is my right and perogative. Also, I don't think it is childish or Un-grown up in the least to call an Asshole an Asshole.

Try to bring supporting evidence or proof or you just look like a man with a blindfold flailing about, trying to crack open the pinata.

 

[poohlive]

My evidence is your entire approach to this arguement, and I can not add certain quotes to an entire arguement. It would be like giving a child a glass of water and trying to explain to them about the ocean. I have supplied the things that I have contradicted from you with evidence, all theother things have been my own perception of you, and do not need evidence, since we both know about it.
As for the apple theory, again I do state that perception in and of itself is important in this thread. I have made that one of the backfalls of my arguement, and you simply can not throw it out the window because you don't like it. A great many people once they learn knowledge try to sweep it away, hoping it never comes back to haunt them, but knowing it in the back of their mind. If you would like to ignore it, then simply stop talking about it. That way my point will remain valid and we can work on destroying the rest of you arguement.
Calling an asshole and asshole? Well, if I am an asshole then so are you. All I have done is argued with you, I have done everything in this thread you have. When you took up something, I argued or contradicted or even agreed at times. So, calling me an asshole only makes yourself be one as well. I do not mind if we are both assholes, for then a lot of things can be put in perspective in both our minds. I don't particularly think you an asshole, but if you think I am, then you must be as well.
Slang should not be something used or argued here. This is an adult discussion, if you would like to use and abuse slang please go back to the kiddy table. Unless of course hardball is a little to tough for you.
You want a contradiction? Here it is. You said that I take your words and twist them around, to make my own point. I am very pleased in this, because it validifies my arguement while weakening yours, and yet you have also said that I never use evidence or proof in my agruements? How can I take your words and twist them without never using your statements in my replies?
Uh oh... uh oh. It looks like you have contradicted yourself. At least I am open about my contradictions, and say it is a part of life. A man will contradict himself many times before his life is over.
My point of honesty went with my humanity in life. I am not perfect, nor swear to be by any means, but you put on this air with the arguement that not only better than me, but can cast judgement upon me. Bitch, asshole, jackass, all of these are "evidence" of that. I know I am human, and I know that I make mistakes. That is what I am honest with. You haven't been honest of that, and henceforth your arguement is again weakened.
You seem to only be attacking certain things, and not the arguement itself. I am not going to try and tell you how to argue, for I would am enjoying this too much. You are full of matter, and I pray tell that we do not stop for some time. In fact I have been waiting all day for this. I haven't had this much fun in a long time.
I thank you for that.
Something I'd like to point out. You only used the words apple theory in your last post that had anything to do with evidence in my own arguement. You have taken parts of my arguement themselves and worked your own twist to them, and for that I do not scold you, but applaud you, for doing this manner somewhat civilized, but I did not see any actualy evidence in your last post. Does that mean that only I should follow your own rules of arguing? We are both in this together, so we should at least try to follow the same guidelines. I have tried to persuade you to stop being childish, which you have done to a certain aspect, but I do not wish for you to put down guidelines which you yourself do not follow.
Otherwise we'd both be blindfold, and not hitting pinata's but each other. It would be humorous for an audience, but somewhat humiliating for both of us.

 

[Weevil]

Have to disagree with you on a few things.

First, I still contend I have yet to make any contradictions. You have yet to point out any specific ones. I would then state that my claim to not have contradicted myself is valid. I have yet to say one thing, and then say something that is contrary to it. If I have, then by all means show me. I'm not 100% sure you know what Contradiction means. Your discussion leads me to believe that you don't.

Second, You have done One thing I haven't. You have injected a ridiculous, serious, argumentative thread of posts to what was a good natured thread. You, to use a justification of my Childhood, started this. That makes you an ultra-sensitive, Hyper-serious Asshole. I'm not attacking the argument itself because it is a simple one. You are an asshole, I'm just trying to have fun and for some reason that bothers you. Even when it has nothing to do with you.

Third, Perception isn't an issue. It never was one. It was me saying something to someone else, you taking issue with it and me telling you to fuck off. Where does perception play a role?????

Fourth, Your example of my contradiction is hilarious. First you show your ridiculous lack of intelligence by using the word "Validifies" which, as far as I know, Is not a word. The word you are looking for is Validates. Also, you seem to contend that twisting ones words is a good thing. It isn't.

For example, were to say "I enjoy Mediterranean Culture"

Were you to twist my words beyond their original meaning you could infer that what I said was "I hate all other cultures besides the Mediterraneran one ". That is twisting another persons words. It is manipulative and juvenile. The difference between that and evidence would be obvious to a child. Evidence is taking a direct quote, using it in context and pointing out the flaws. You have been unable to do that at all.

Once again, I invite you to show me where I've taken the words that I've quoted and used them out of context. Please understand that you just aren't making any sense to me. I want this to be a legitimate conversation but you are making it pretty hard.

Also, I do think that I'm better than you. I am a lighthearted, good natured guy who minds my own business and doesn't take posting on an adult website all that seriously. These aren't valid contradictions because I honestly do think you are an Asshole, and a fairly dim one at that.

Shouldn't use slang??? Why not? It is a part of life. This isn't the Oxford Dictionary website but Literotica. Saying I shouldn't use slang is idiotic. And besides, You did when you said Dis. OOoooooh. Another contradiction expertly pointed out by the only armed man in this battle of wits.

Lastly this is really a sticking point for me and I know I have a poor grasp of proper punctuation(Or at least I do in my hastily typed posts) but if you want to spell Argument please do it correctly.

Thanks

 

[poohlive]

If I were to post two or three times on the aspect of indian culture and art, and aboriginal art as well, arguing that they have by far outdone just about every other culture out there, and then you were to say that you like mediterranian culture; it would be a fair assumption that you are arguing my fact. You never said in that one sentance that the works I suspected were in any case wrong, you simply said that you enjoyed mediterranian art. This is a tangent, it has nothing to do with the discussion of aboriginal and indian art being some of the best in the world. That is what I am getting from your points, nothing but tangets. You go off on something that I have not exactly stated, but then again that I have brushed upon.
This is why I am trying to make sense of your quotes to fit my own, and to make them put some sense toward both arguments.
This argument all started when you (guess who started it, you, not I) began lightly jabbing people who were only here to give you advice on making threads. We have both gone off on a tangent to understand the meanings of arguing better, and I do believe we have both learned something, but if we are going to stay on the topic I do believe we should both do it. You were the one who made fun of not only me, but Inkubus and Morgoth who only came in here to try and help you in making a thread. You asked for the help, all be it, the help wasn't specifically what you wanted, it is justly a good natured comment from three great posters on this thread.
I wonder where you think I am an asshole comes from? Is it the fact that I have refrained from calling names when you have persisted? Is it the fact that I am defending my friends from being ridiculed and jabbed by someone who asked for advice then spit in their faces when they gave it? Is it the fact that I have tried very calmly to point out my flaws, and still tried to get you to grasp this, while you make fun, point out things like spelling, and even go so far as to ridicule every single thing about me? Is it the fact that I have made mistakes in one of the best arguments I have ever had in a long time, and have accepted them, when you have made more, and all you do is ignore them while you point out my own more?
You said you were better than me? Well, in all of life this has got to be a first. The last time a person said he was better than anyone else was at a KKK meeting! Humans beings are all equal. The fact that someone thinks they are better than anyone else shocks me. Never in the history has someone said they are better than another person and it lead to good. Hitler thought himself better than the jew's, the Egyptians thought themselves better than the jew's as well. White people still think themselves better than black people, and then there's you who think you are better than me.
Tell me, in all except for the last example, has there ever been a thread of truth in it? Not one. So, why pretell, is your example so much better? I don't think myself in any way better than you, I think of us as equal. No, that's not exactly true. I think of us as different. You have good and bad qualities, and I have good and bad as well. Your strengths make you good at something, and your weaknesses make you human, and so to me goes the same thing. However, how can you say that you are better? Because you are light hearted? I am light hearted as well. I wouldn't be arguing for the sake of my friends if I didn't have a good heart.
What this all goes down to is that fact that you are defending the acts of hurting and making fun of people. I am defending the fact that they are human beings and deserve some respect.
I honestly don't know why I am the asshole in this case.
As for perception, which you have tried once again to ignore, that comes into play very extensively here. You see, you called it "jabbing." The only one who percieved your remarks as jabbing was you. Everyone else saw them as mean cruel, and didn't belong in a thread where you only asked for advice. Perception plays the ultimate part in this. I can tell, that if you are still on the grounds that you were simply jabbing a person, that you can think yourself in the right, but no one else thinks that.
Inkubus is a human, he has feelings. Morgoth is a human, he has feelings as well. Hey, guess what, even I am a human, and I have feelings too. I bet you a million bucks that you are human too, you have flaws in your life, but you have feelings just like everyone else.
If you still feel that you were right as to making fun of your fellow humans, then go right ahead. You pushed away the only three people who wanted to help you in this thread. I haven't seen anyone else post in here. I wonder why? Perhaps they didn't like the fact that you kept making fun of whoever wanted to offer advice? Could you comprehend that? Of course, the fact that this discussion got a little too heated for anyone probably played a huge part as well, but it doesn't change the fact that I am the only one who has even tried to make an effort.
One last thing, slang was a part of this when it was a light hearted discussion trying to get an apology, but since it has now become an adult arguments, I do believe we should refrain from putting slang in here. If you don't agree, then that's fine. It's just my personal opinion that this would be a lot easier for both of us to understand without slang. The word bitch as example, we both though of different meanings. This has been filled with a lot of confusion so far, and I am trying to make it a little bit easier. If you don't care about that though, slang can still be used.
I have never heard of an argument being won by using slang though.

 

[Weevil]

I don't think so. Were you to say "I enjoy Classical music" and I said "I enjoy Rock" it doesn't mean that I dislike Classical in the least. That is a moronic, reactionary response. I am stating my opinion, you are stating yours. What more is there? It does have something to do with your statement. It is saying, "that may be but it it ain't my thing". SImply a statement. Your poor grasp of english is really hard to deal with.

Wrong again my friend. You started this by reacting the way you did. It is debatable if my post to Inkubus started this but only in the sense that it provoked your asinine response. But the other interesting thing you brought up is the "Lightly jabbing" thing you said. Do you really have a problem with my lightly jabbing at someone? Why???? I can't say "you suck" What kind of fascist are you to say how I can or can't post?

Oooooh, Comparing me to Hitler and the KKK. Well done. You score major points. There is one difference that a child could pick up on that you can't. The people you mentioned based their judgements on prejudices and stereotypes. They also used these judgements and applied it to lots of people who they had no contact with. I am taking the things you said and forming judgements about your character. It is direct. It is about you and only you. I'm not geralizing or stereotyping.

Also, your point is flawed regardless. Lots of people say that they are better people than others. I think I'm a better person than Tim Mcveigh. I think Anthony Hopkins is a better actor than Pauly Shore. We are not all equals. Sorry. But, assuming you are correct, are you no better than Hitler? or Pol Pot? or Nixon? I think I am.

Finally I think your "Defender of the People" bullshit is ridiculous. First of all I was kind and fun with Morgoth. Why you brought him up is odd because the only "jabbing" I did was at Inkubus. This is a sad, pathetic attempt to claim supporters. Second, Inkubus was offended?? Really? Why didn't he say so? In fact, if you actually put some thought into this, you could read his post after I said "Nuts to You" you would see that he responded with good humour. The fact that you didn't is what this is about. You are the only one who reacted the way you did.

Nice to know you can read minds. If Morgoth(Once again Morgoth has nothing to do with this) and Inkubus(Who obviously didn't) thought my posts were mean and cruel why can't they say so? I do indeed have feelings but they don't get hurt by people having fun. I'm sorry that yours do but I figure that you should probably isolate yourself from the world if you are so fragile that you can't stand two other people having fun.

Lastly, I can understand slang. I hope you can(ALthough I'm not sure you can). I don't mind it. You seem to only think we can use it when it suits you. Sorry Benito, I'll post how I like.

BTW You say that you used slang when it was light hearted. This thread stopped being lighthearted the moment you posted.

 

[poohlive]

You know what? This is reprehensible. You keep attacking me, and I keep attacking you. We have both been mean and cruel here, we have both gone off topic, and we have both not stuck to the issue.
The issue being once again on perception. If you would like, I will leave Morgoth and Inkubus out of this. There haven't been many things I have thought deeply about, but this is one of them. I suppose I am just trying to set everything straight.
I don't like it when people call me asshole or stupid. I am fairly certain that you don't either, yet if that is your opinin so be it. I won't let it bother me, one person in this world thinks I'm stupid. I am not perfect, so I will take it in stride.
If you feel that everything in this thread of yours is justified, then good for you. I was telling you some flaws in the way I think you handled things, but if you feel thats how you should have reacted, then again it's your life and your opinion. The fact that I tried to set the record straight with you was another part of me trying to help you. You didn't ask for the help, however, and I know now that you aren't the one to take it when it's not asked.
Or even when it is.
I suppose that's just you. I have seen a lot of things in you since this has all started, some of it is good, most of it I hate, because it doesn't agree with me, but then again I'm not the judge on who's supposed to be better or worse than anyone else. You are the expert on that, I'll leave it to you.
This is your thread, and I am not one ot hold a grudge for too long. I was simply trying to help out a few friends. I thought they were being treated here rather rudely, but if you don't think so, then there's nothing really I can do about it. Changing the way a person think's just doesn't happen over a thread. I suppose in time we will both look at this and laugh, but it shall be a long way off.
You have never really had an argument like this before, have you? You keep comparing me to a child. A jackass, a bitch, an asshole, and now a child. I never compared you to Hitler, I only stated that Hitler thought himself better than a lot of people and you thought yourself better than me. You are now twisting my words. Take your own classical and rock music example. I am not saying that you are like Hitler, I am simply saying that's not my thing.
As for Timothy McVeigh and all of those people, I never knew of either you or myself to have a personal hatred towards any sort of people in general. If you think your better than me, you have every right to think that. It is a free country after all, people are allowed to say and do whatever they want.
Well, I hope you have learned something from all of this. I know I have. I do wish you luck on your thread, even though I have mixed thought about you at this point. To say them would be childish and irrevelant. So, I shall simply end by saying good day.

 

[Weevil]

Shazam!!!!!!!!!!!!! Victory is mine.

In all seriousness Pooh, my only point was I don't think Inkubus(Not Morgoth, Inkubus) was either treated poorly by me nor was it taken as such. If they did then they should say so. Not you. I was taking suggestions but I thought yours and Inkubus' weren't genuine attempts at help. Oh Well. We'll have differences.

I don't have hard feelings here but if you do then I'm sorry. I call people names, Don't take it so hard but if you choose to then its OK with me too. You can do what you like and thats fine.


You said this
"You have never really had an argument like this before, have you? You keep comparing me to a child. A jackass, a bitch, an asshole, and now a child. I never compared you to Hitler, I only stated that Hitler thought himself better than a lot of people and you thought yourself better than me. You are now twisting my words. Take your own classical and rock music example. I am not saying that you are like Hitler, I am simply saying that's not my thing."

And this is the real reason this Argument should stop. You still can't grasp even the most rudimentary thing that I say which is pretty damn frustrating. Their is an obvious difference between my thoughts and Hitlers and by bringing it up you are comparing me to him. I do think that some people are better than others and in my mind the opposite opinion(Just so you know that would be the opinion that no one is better than anyone else) is ridiculously amoral.

Oh shucks. At least this is over. Now what was this thread about????

 

[Morgoth]

chill everyone. Just chill. We're all friends here.

 

[KillerMuffin]

Knock it off children. We don't fight like this on the ORP board, it's simply not done. We have the GB for that.

Back to the track of this thread.

Muffers Suggestions:

1) It MUST contain conflict enough to keep the characters doing something productive to the the thread. You'll notice, if you read some threads, that there are lulls where one or two characters do everything and everone else mills around with things like "Lars drank some more beer." This is fine, as long as it doesn't last or the thread isn't full of it.

2) It should be open ended enough for the people on the other keyboards to play characters the way they want to. Except for some of us (not mentioning names) who tend to get all powerful on us.

3) Just cause you started your thread, doesn't mean you are the Thread God. A roleplay takes input from everyone involved in it. There should be someone who keeps the thread on track, generally the thread starter, so that there isn't a lot of characters milling around waiting for something to do.

4) Scale doesn't really matter all that much. It has more to do with your knowledge comfort zone and the knowledge comfort zones of the others on the thread. If you know jack about quilting, you wouldn't start a thread about a Killer Quilting Society Who Rampages Through Derrysburg Nebraska and kills everyone in it, all 4 citizens. Start with something that you know well, and that others would also know. Mages and wizardry are good cause you don't have to know anything to play one. If you start a thread involving the sinking of the Bismark, you're not gonna get much cause most people know dreak about the Bismark. They think it's a donut.

5) You will have to learn to put up with egos and OOC bickering. Some posters are more concerned with their own characters than they are with the story. They tend to kill threads.

6) Look at the beginnings of the threads here to figure out how you want to word the beginning of yours. The hook for other players is in the first post or two.

7) You can always join in another thread if you feel able to. Start out that way.

8) You had damned well better share any of that pizza with me or you're gonna get it and get it but good.

9) Quests are good threads, you have a group of people trying to reach a common goal. Everyone will have something to do. You can set a quest in any setting you like. Killer Quilting Society of Derrysburg, Nebraska Searches Desperately for the Holy Thimble Grail.

10) Hello EBW.

 

[Weevil]

chill everyone. Just chill. We're all friends here.

No doubt. Its just, well, he kind of got me mad. I'm over it now.

 

[Weevil]

Knock it off children. We don't fight like this on the ORP board, it's simply not done. We have the GB for that.

Back to the track of this thread.

Muffers Suggestions:

8) You had damned well better share any of that pizza with me or you're gonna get it and get it but good.

9) Quests are good threads, you have a group of people trying to reach a common goal. Everyone will have something to do. You can set a quest in any setting you like. Killer Quilting Society of Derrysburg, Nebraska Searches Desperately for the Holy Thimble Grail.

10) Hello EBW.

Hi KM. Nice to see you on this thread

Great suggestions although I've kind of decided not to start any and simply join ones started by more experienced ORP'ers.

I realize my verbal sparring with Pooh was somewhat ridiculous and probably didn't win me any friends up in this joint but there was simply something about his attitude towards a newbie(To the ORP) posting that got me all riled up. I'm done now.