OOC: Matrix thread

[Paendragon]

I don't know if this has been tried, or if it would even work, but how about a thread based on the movies?

The ground rules would be these:

No 'Neo'-like characters. He might be introduced later on as an NPC just to further the plot, but that's it. Also, we'll stay away from all of the characters from the movies, except as NPC's as well.

You can either play an Agent, or a rebel from Zion. Or even one of the Operator characters.

Agents are stronger, faster, and tougher than the rebels. So no one who is a rebel could take out an Agent one on one. Now, if you gang up on one, it might be a different story (just to make it interesting).

As for the rest, we'll keep it inline with the story.

Any takers?

 

[IDreamofBunnies]

What about Exiles or other non-Agent programs such as the Keymaker, the Twins, or somesuch?

 

[poohlive]

I'm definitely in.
Consider me a newbie. Just picked out of the matrix. Is still training, and has only been back in a few times. He hasn't met any agents or anything, and aside from the training, has no experience under his belt.
Hard worker, dedicated, and really excited about all the new crazy shit he can do inside the Matrix.

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

I might be intested, so am putting my name on the list, but need to see how my other commitments pan out on other threads.

 

[badbabysitter]

Glitch

Is a ghost in the machine.... a sleeper of the Matrix who was awakened. Realizes that the world is not what it seems and is begining to bend the rules...has nowhere near the capacities that Neo has, but just knows she can do whatever she sets her mind to.

This might be actually a good story jump point, ...trying ti find this sleeper before the Agents do and telling her what the "real world" is. Assuming she'll go willingly, after all how is she supposed to know who the good guys are.

Her capabilities would be truly amazing, but completely unfocused and tend to kick in reationarily instead of of through true understanding.

 

[Maka]

I'm definitely in.
Consider me a newbie. Just picked out of the matrix. Is still training, and has only been back in a few times. He hasn't met any agents or anything, and aside from the training, has no experience under his belt.
Hard worker, dedicated, and really excited about all the new crazy shit he can do inside the Matrix.

Just an idea, but how would you feel about a counterpoint, total-reverse partner, a la most cop movies. A veteran of the Matrix, who's been there, done that, got the shades and is now profoundly unimpressed with it all. He's dedicated to the cause of human liberation, in a grudging sort of way, but he's not at all enthusiastic about it, and finds people who are annoying and vaguely embarassing. Maybe assigned to your char to show him the ropes of the Matrix (another thing he's disgruntled about)?

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

I've been thinking about it, and, if you start can I be an Operator?

I wanna grow to be just like Tank....but more girly.

 

[Paendragon]

What about Exiles or other non-Agent programs such as the Keymaker, the Twins, or somesuch?

All that stuff is great. As I said, just no one too strong, like Neo (he's the only 'One' so to speak).

My character will most likely be a ship captain. I just have to think on the name (both ship and Captain).

I figure I'll leave this up for a while longer to see who else might be into it, and then I'll start the thread.

If you all want to list some bio's here (height, age, etc) that'd be great. Just so we know what you all look like .

Welcome aboard, everyone!!

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

You know what you could do..............

Make it a pre-qual......

After the fifth "The One" chose Zion was restarted with what was it....7 women and 9 men? (someone give me the line here)

So, here we are.....starting over, 100 years before Neo and then there wouldn't be a One in your thread at all.

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

Some Observations that were made in other threads.

By the way, if you dont' want these here, just tell me and I'll delete it totally, Pendragon, I just thought it'd be intresting

From Maxtrix: Reload thread on the GB:

From me:
Levels of programing

We have the Arch-ie, who is the formatting program (so he says) who after trail and error had to create other programs to figure things out for him (the Oracle) and run things for him (Keymaker, Agents). As well as the Maxtrix itself which, as the Counilman was explaining, is neither good or evil, but a tool we use as it uses us. A simboic relationship.

Then we have the "real world" in which there are machines that are life support for the Matrix, breatheable air underground (not just in Zion, which is close to the earths core and needs machines for breathable air, but closer to the surface where the Neb crashed...which means some form of bio-fauna is produceing air. Right now, today, more than 40% of our breatheable air comes from fungus..so to my mind, outside of the human/matrix clash the earth is trying to heal itself...as it always does.)

There are the ships, and the squids, and somewhere a hard drive. Somewhere there is the actual comp that drives the Matrix and it's sub programs.

As for Neo and senseing the squids.....I think that has something to do with the Smith virus. While in the Maxtrix Smith took over the other guy, whose name I can't remember, and influenced him in the real world. I think that when Smith tryed to take over Neo he still left code behind that hacks Neo into the mainframe on some level. Thus, he could sense and affect the squids, but it was harder IRL than it was while in the maxtrix, so put him into a coma.

Lastly, a tidbit to "cook your noodle" as the Oracle says....She told him that when he went through the door, that would be the end of the path of the One. And she asked if he saw Trinity die. If you sit back and think about it a moment you might come to think, as I do, that she was dropping him more twisted hints. The One was a pre-ordained program which when he reached the Arc guy would end in a choice. But he didn't make the same choice as the other five times, he made a new choice and has the powers programed for the One.

She told him he was asking the wrong questions and the why of it was more important than the choice. The why is, and always has been, to gain freedom from the Maxtrix. He is no longer The One as far as the program is concerned. But what that means is he is now free to act as a totally free person, rather than a part of the Maxtrix sub rutine. She, being an intutive program, fulfilled her purpose as far as her programing, but I think she gave him a bit extra also...knowing he would/could change things.

Does that make sense?

PS: Smith is actually, in a twisted way, helping Neo. He helped him get away from the other agents by warning him, and he was blocking him from the correct door so that Neo wouldn't end his path as the One before Smith could get his pupose from him.

Ok, here's another thought....

I'm wondering if the french guy wasn't the one before Neo....

Looking at the evidence:
He knows about the Matrix
He can see code just like Neo
He can write code
He has control of the Keymaker (which he would have had to get when he was the One)
His wife says "He was just like you when we met"
And he's subverted old programs to be his personal bodyguards.


From WoodCaver:
wait...this cant be happening. The oracle said that..............


oh shit....my bad here.

Actually the french guy couldnt be the previous One because the oracle said that he was a program...one of the worst programs out there.

From Ravenloft:
The one only appears once every hundred years or so, or so I thought, and how many humans can live 200 years?

And my last thought, which I didn't add there is:

Ok, so Smith touched Neo and wasn't subverted but could feel the squids and EMPed them mentally....AND the guy Smith DID subvert is the only survior after an unexplained EMP went off before the Zion ships were prepared AND NOW they are both in comas....

Hummmmm...

 

[Paendragon]

That kind of info is fine, here. I'm easy. Anything to help us understand the story a bit better, I think, should be posted here.

As for the prequel thing, I had thought about that, but decided against it for one reason. We would all know that it was pointless (not the characters of course, but the writers), and it might be difficult to keep people interested if they know that it's all a waste of time, because it's all decided already.

The other prequel idea I had, was for us to be the first ones released in the current version of the matrix, and would have to build Zion, and deal with the Prophecy of the One (Neo), but I discarded that too, because of the length of time needed for any kind of resolution.

I figured, finally, that if we kept to the movie time frame, we could 'interact' in some way with the movies, and maybe even incorporate our characters into it (if we're still going when the last movie shows up, or even if we do a sequel thread when that shows up).

I just thought that would be cool.

What do you all think, though? I'd like this to be as much of a 'community idea' thread as we can have.

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

I like my idea (duh, lol) but I have reasons, I really do:

Ya, we know as writers that in 100 years Neo will be born, but...chaknowwhat? Any writer to writes historals knows the South will lose the war, the Japenesse will bomb Pearl, and Mordred kills the kind, his father.

I think it's an exciting concept because we DON"T have to fall into the movies, we can chart our own path more. The programs will still be the same (Oracle, Smith, etc) and actually, the Maxtrix Time Frame would be prob the same too (I was thinking like a 20 year loop 80's/90's over and over again...the people IN the Maxtrix wouldnt' know, and the people OUTSIDE of it would know it was a program....remember they said they didnt' know what year it really was?)

We'd be the pinoneers of whats to come, which is cool to me. And we'd have a lot more interaction with freeing minds etc because we'd need new recuirts quickly.

I think being in the time frame of the movies is more of a dead end actually, because Zion was just destroyed for reals, there are only a few more ships left, and Neo is going to have the final showdown in Novemeber.

With the pre-quel we know we have at least 100 years of future time to play with.

I rest my case and promise to go with the vote of the majority.

 

[Maka]

Hmm...

There are good points to both arguments. Playing in the movies' time-frame seems unappealing because in those, Neo and crew are really the movers and the shakers and our characters would be, by default, spear-carriers and hangers-on. On the other hand, playing a game in the past does indeed seem to make it all seem futile.

What I'd really like, just to muddy the waters a bit, is an unspecified time. One iteration of the Matrix is much like another, one version of Zion much like the next. Neo, Morpheus, Trinity, Niobe, etc, aren't around (unless we want them to be). Maybe this is long before them. Maybe this is their time, but it's an alternate version where they aren't there. Maybe it's long after, who knows who the films will end. The important things, to me, are the tropes rather than the individual time and figures; we'd have Zion, we'd have the Matrix, we'd have human rebels, human sleepers, rogue programmes, mystic oracles, and so on.

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

Soooo, Maka, your saying....Matrix-y...but not the Matrix?

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

http://www.corporatemofo.com/Pix/051803_matrix3.jpg

My friend over in the GB, Nasty1, turned me onto this site.

The Matrix Reload Breakdown by Kung Fu Philosophers


WHEEEEEEeeeeeEEEEE!

(I love the TICK! Get it the reference? lol!)

 

[Maka]

Soooo, Maka, your saying....Matrix-y...but not the Matrix?

Not exactly. To use some RPG terms to maybe get my point across better; I'd like to play in the Matrix setting without using the metaplot.

 

[poohlive]

To be honest, I think Neo did exactly what he was supposed to do when he chose that door to save Trinity. There wasn't much of a choice to begin with. I mean, there was, and anyone could have seen that, but love does conquer all, doesn't it?
And who told Trinity she would fall in love with Neo?
The Oracle.
This Oracle, quite honestly, is becoming a more interesting character than Neo himself. You have to really wonder who she's working for. She could be a program, doing her job in the matrix. It would make sense. She turned him, in her own way, into the One, and then set him on the right path to save Zion and start the Matrix back up again.
The real purpose of the one is to reload the Matrix, not to save everyone.
Which means all of her prophesies she gave to Morpheus and the like were bullshit, more strings being pulled in order for the machines to ensure survival.
But, she could also be a rebel within the matrix. If she, as the Architect claims her to be, has an intuitive mind for the human condition, than wouldn't she understand their common need for freedom and survival? Maybe she is so understanding, she fucks her own programming to keep the matrix going, and is now hell bent on the freedom of the human race.


Oh well, just thought I'd rant along with you guys.

I don't think the movies are the best place to start, personally, but I also don't think a hundred years ago is either. I'd say we start before Neo, but after the reintroduction of Zion, that way we don't have to worry about the old One.
It would also make certain that there can be older people outside of the Matrix. From what I've seen, the one can only bring out 16 total people (including himself). That means they'd all be newbies, no old veterans (like Maka).
Somewhere in the middle is nice. Since the programs, I assume, are immortal, it doesn't matter when we go. They will always be running inside of the Matrix.
I do like Maka's idea. Perhaps we should just sideshoot off. The plot of the matrix revolves around this character that can do anything and everything. Since none of us can do that, we will really have to change things. So, the further away from Neo we get, the better.

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

Hummmm
*ponderponderponderponder*

Ok..........

How's this!

Neo's Matrix isn't the only one.

Ya, see....

His is the North American one that runs off of that contintent.........

But! *holds up a finger* After all these hundreds of years don't you think that the thing would set up at least one back-up system?

On say...Europe or India or Australia?

Not saying that the Maxtrix there would be European, or Indian, or Austrailan, but that there would be another one set up on that condentent, sep from the one that Neo is currently in.

Will that work?

 

[IDreamofBunnies]

Consider this, when they are fooling around in the Matrix generated city it is simply referred to as "The City", even when Neo end up in that mansion that looks rather Bavarian he's in "The Mountains" that makes it sound rather singular. What if the Matrix has only a few "Hubs" or "Locales" that have been revealed? there could be others that have yet to be revealed like "The Desert" or "The Country". This makes me think of the movie the 13th floor in which the virtual city of Los Angeles eventually ends and one can go no further.

 

[Paendragon]

Alright, so we can be before the movies, a prequel so to speak, but not IN the movies, right?

Or, an alternate reality, so to speak, where there is no prophecy, no ONE, and the war is just that, a war. The same rules could apply (Zion, no super characters, Agents are stronger than rebels, etc), but it would give us an avenue to pursue on our own, apart from the movie script. Our own creation...

I like the second version better. We can dispense with the whole 'messiah' thing and run with it on our own. Comments?

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

But he flew 500 miles south from the moutains to the city....

*shrugs* But anyhoo...if they used the same programs for each site, the innerscape would be the same...wouldn't it?

It'd be like The Sims as far as the formatting would be concerned, with the players only able to use the tools made available to make changes within unless you have the cheats (Neo's powers, Keymakers back doors)...

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

Alright, so we can be before the movies, a prequel so to speak, but not IN the movies, right?

Or, an alternate reality, so to speak, where there is no prophecy, no ONE, and the war is just that, a war. The same rules could apply (Zion, no super characters, Agents are stronger than rebels, etc), but it would give us an avenue to pursue on our own, apart from the movie script. Our own creation...

I like the second version better. We can dispense with the whole 'messiah' thing and run with it on our own. Comments?

Well, actually, The One is a function of the program to regulate Zion when it gets to full of disidants (250,000 residents)...HOWEVER in the thread you might like to create, our site hasn't reached that size yet. No phophsy has occured yet to even start the search for the messiah....

In fact, you might have fun, after it's been running a while, to start at the very beginning by giving us the phophsy and beginning the search for the one....

*shrugs*

Just throwing ideas out there!

 

[poohlive]

I like the idea.
The movie is rather dull in its concept. All of the rebels simply wait around for this one to be born and save them. They do nothing of value for themselves, except free a mind every now and then.
Why not make it more active?
There is no superhero coming to save the day? You want something done, you're going to have to fucking do it yourself. Roll up those sleeves, and get to work.
We need to unplug these people and destroy the matrix.

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

Then my character will be a rebel among the rebels!

She thinks that until the earth can support life what the hell are we going to do with everyone!

She wants to make it so that NASA is blowing big bucks into making Mars fit for people, but it's really about making the Earth fit for people..........She also wants to go ahead and NOT free eveyone, but only the people that can be some benefit to the human race when released. No deadbeats need apply and suck up resources.

On an strange off shoot, what if there were like a Moon coleny or something, how would they react to the Matrix etc?

 

[KisstheSky]

I'm game whatever you guys decide to do.
This can distract me from my latest addiction...Enter the Matrix...well sorta...