Only those interested in the war on Terrorism...

[SINthysist]

You must read today's LeBoutillier. Chilling.

http://leboutillier.blogspot.com/

I'll add that I believe that this is what must be done.

 

[Purple Haze]

Then go do it.

Don't forget to pack a lunch...

 

[SINthysist]

I volunteered and served my time in the Marine Corps. I don't have to just talk about it because when it was MY turn, I was willing for love of country, freedom, and hope for the rest of the world.

How did you spend your turn?

 

[takingchances42]

You must read today's LeBoutillier. Chilling.

http://leboutillier.blogspot.com/

I'll add that I believe that this is what must be done.

Interesting. Thanks for the link.

But what is that you believe "must be done"? The article was about the battle within the Administration between the "No War" group and the "Pro War Neocons". Which side did you agree with?

 

[SINthysist]

First of all Purple, I do see the humor!

Get all the rats in one fell swoop! You gotta get Sauruman and Sauron or your still gonna have an Orc problem...

 

[Mountain Man]

Just one question???

When we attack Iraq....and as the story says Sauid Arabia....Do you think that the Muslem Extremeists are just going to sit backa and do nothing.

One thing that almost no one is willing to talk about is what WILL happen after the attack. Muslems of the world will resopnd to the US Attacking one of theirs with an escallation in Terror. Many of the extremists, and not so extreme, have saiid as much.

 

[Purple Haze]

How did you spend your turn?

Ex-Army guy here, not that it's relevant.

An unprovoked attack is a super idea, especially with all that oil to be had.

Makes me feel really safe...

 

[SINthysist]

Muslims have no Calif. They are fragmented, united only by The Classic Arabic of the Koran, backward, abused, and controlled by their leadership. Who gives a flying fuck! What are they going to do? Bomb us more? Hate us more?

What they have already done equals anything they are going to do and more. And, not unlike the schoolyard bully, they are going to keep doing it until someone kicks their ass, and yes, sometimes that means moving first. We've been at war with these clowns for years now. It just took September 11 for us to fully (I guess even that conjecture is disputable now!) awake to the fact that Muslims are at war with Americans. You don't win a war by playing defense. Do don't win a war by worrying how the enemy FEELS about it!




Purple - then you know I look down upon the idea of combat and take up the prospect NOT LIGHTLY!

 

[Guest]

Not with my kids you don't.

I absolutely refuse to send my kids off to the mideast to die for Exxon. And that is exactly whoi it's for. Terrorists aren't a threat to our way of life. Sure they can kill a few thousand if they get lucky AND we let our guard down again but toppling our society isn't possible. It's possible more US troops would die in such a war than the combined total of all the terrorist attacks on the US to date. When the dust clears the threat of terrorism will still be there, unless of course we occupy and pacify every middle eastern Muslim nation. How long do you propose we engage in that?

The war on terrorism is a joke. Same as the war on poverty and the war on drugs and the war on inflation and any other "war" you can think of. It will always be there. The war on terrorism will be Bush's undoing. He is using it to advance his father's agenda. And to subvert the Constitution. It's gotten to the point now that all he has to do is call someone a terrorist and he can have them locked away indefinitely and without revealing any "evidence". Sounds a bit like what King George could do a little over two hundred years ago.

 

[TWB]

What war on terrorism?

 

[Spinaroonie]

Re: Not with my kids you don't.

I absolutely refuse to send my kids off to the mideast to die for Exxon. And that is exactly whoi it's for. Terrorists aren't a threat to our way of life. Sure they can kill a few thousand if they get lucky AND we let our guard down again but toppling our society isn't possible. It's possible more US troops would die in such a war than the combined total of all the terrorist attacks on the US to date. When the dust clears the threat of terrorism will still be there, unless of course we occupy and pacify every middle eastern Muslim nation. How long do you propose we engage in that?

The war on terrorism is a joke. Same as the war on poverty and the war on drugs and the war on inflation and any other "war" you can think of. It will always be there. The war on terrorism will be Bush's undoing. He is using it to advance his father's agenda. And to subvert the Constitution. It's gotten to the point now that all he has to do is call someone a terrorist and he can have them locked away indefinitely and without revealing any "evidence". Sounds a bit like what King George could do a little over two hundred years ago.

This is the finest guest post I've ever seen.

 

[Spinaroonie]

What?

These two groups – the Pro-War and the No-War – are at war over the soul of the G.W. Bush Presidency.

What?

The No-wars are at war... over the soul of the presidency?

W has made it clear that he wants to go in to Iraq several times, he's just looking for a good excuse right now.

 

[TallOne]

Re: Not with my kids you don't.

I absolutely refuse to send my kids off to the mideast to die for Exxon. And that is exactly whoi it's for. Terrorists aren't a threat to our way of life.

A lack of oil certainly is a threat to our way of life. What's wrong with trying to secure that? Why is a war over resources so bad these days, that's pretty much what war has always been about. If there's anything worth sending your kids off for, it's resources to support your way of life. And if a threat to your way of life is how you justify the need for war, then you should be pro-war in this case. If that's not enough then you're just a pacifist. Note: Just playing devil's advocate here, don't necessarily believe in what I just typed.

It would be nice if we could get more alternative energy sources into production so we could just pack up and leave the Middle East. The place is just trouble. The birthplace and likely the future deathbed of society.

 

[Spinaroonie]

Re: Re: Not with my kids you don't.

A lack of oil certainly is a threat to our way of life. What's wrong with trying to secure that?

Because it's a grimly finite one.

Exxon and GM have been keeping renewable energy designs down for years. Unfortunately, they voted an oilman into office and now we're loading up the barrels.

 

[TallOne]

That's why I've got stock in Honda who just got that Fuel Cell vehicle approved.

 

[Guest]

I can see how a war to secure resources might be justifiable in some circles. The industrial segments would certainly condone such a thing. However the resources are not ours. We are not entitled to them.

Our whole middle east policy through the last century has been rather like a man who denounces violence against women and then at night patronizes the local whorehouse where the owner brutalizes the working girls. As long as his "need" is fed he overlooks the women's bruises and scars. By keeping the pimp in business he makes himself a part of the crime.

 

[TallOne]

I can see how a war to secure resources might be justifiable in some circles. The industrial segments would certainly condone such a thing. However the resources are not ours. We are not entitled to them.

Well yeah, that's why war is around. To go get those resources that aren't ours.

Without major wars every once in awhile we're just going to overpopulate the planet. We need some mass killings to keep our population in check seeing that we're the top of the food chain and all.

 

[TallOne]

Our whole middle east policy through the last century has been rather like a man who denounces violence against women and then at night patronizes the local whorehouse where the owner brutalizes the working girls. As long as his "need" is fed he overlooks the women's bruises and scars. By keeping the pimp in business he makes himself a part of the crime.

So we should go in and take the girls away from the pimp by force, then be nice to them...

 

[TallOne]

The industrial segments would certainly condone such a thing.

But we're all responsible for creating the demand they feed off of. We're not exactly innocents.

 

[Guest]

So we should go in and take the girls away from the pimp by force, then be nice to them...

Where do I sign up.

Weapon at the ready.

 

[SINthysist]

We have very stupid Trolls.

This one seems to think the oil market has been static since 1970.

7% bucko. That's about what they currently supply.

They DO supply about 90% of the world's terrorists.

See, the world markets reacted to the oil embargo and went and found other sources. Now it's time for the world to react again. Since the world is basically a very cowardly place, we will have to do it for them.

Thank Gawd Tony Blair seems determined not to go down in history as the FIRST FRENCH PRIME MINISTER OF ENGLAND!

 

[TallOne]

Well somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

The world currently get 55% of its oil from the persian gulf states. That number is projected to rise to 70% by 2020.

The amount of oil taken from Iraq alone is growing significantly. We get 3 times more oil from them than we do Kuwait.

Where did you get this 7% number? My figures are from the National Energy Information Center in this study.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/security/contingency.html

 

[Sandia]

They are clues into the war plans of the Pro-War Neocons. Their plan is not to merely take out the Ba’ath Party leadership in Baghdad; no, they intend to “do it all” in one fell swoop.


That means a simultaneous attack on Iraq and on Saudi Arabia. The Saudi oil fields will be seized, the Royal Family deposed, the oppressed Saudi people liberated from generations of tyrannical rule – and the money that greases world-wide terror attacks would be stopped on the spot.


Israel, too, may join this offensive by sweeping through the West Bank and Gaza and clean out all advocates of terror.

Nobody could really be this stupid, could they?

An American attack against Saudi Arabia?

And tell me if I'm wrong here, but hasn't Israel "swept through" the West Bank and Gaza before? Aren't they occupying the West Bank right now?

One other point.
Iraq's use of poison gas during the Iran/Iraq war: The US was SUPPORTING Iraq during these gas attacks. The US even provided intelligence that helped the Iraqis in the planning of those attacks. To use those attacks now as an excuse to attack Iraq is the height of hypocrisy.

 

[SINthysist]

It doesn't go far enough. I would get up on the Presidential podium and tell THE ENTIRE MUSLIM WORLD -

If another attack occurs on America, in the name of Islam, Medina and Mecca will be targeted(spellled N-U-K-E). The Wahabbis control the house of Saud, they control the terrorists, and they are in League with Saddam simply because he is the enemy of their enemy and an Arab after all, capable of coming back to Allah...





This is not a war for oil as much as it is a war on the future of our world. Do we turn to the new millennium, or do we return to God and the old ways...

I prefer the former to the latter.

 

[SINthysist]

No hypocrasy is refusing to admit we made a mistake with policy. We've admitted it. We made several mistakes when dealing with Saddam. Now it seems, the argument is to compound that set of errors and alow this festering sore to continue to boil. That's closer to hypocracy. I want to live safe and free. To hell with you. Violence solves nothing ...