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TAMPA - Robin Lumley, childless, overweight and unmarried at 46, arrived at an emergency room 2 1/2 years ago complaining of terrible abdominal pain.

Nurses documented her symptoms and a doctor ordered tests. When Lumley said she needed to use the restroom, they let her go.

A short while later, the medical staff at University Community Hospital in Carrollwood found that she had delivered a 6-pound baby girl into the toilet.

Lumley didn't even know she was pregnant, an attorney says.

But Harold "Tripp" Sebring III claims the medical staff should have. Because it missed obvious signs of labor, he says, Lumley's baby almost drowned.

Sebring sued the hospital last month, contending that baby Brianna Rose Lumley went into respiratory arrest and suffered brain damage due to treatment providers' negligence. He wants the hospital to pay for Brianna's lifelong medical care.

Sebring is suing on the child's behalf, not the mother's. If he succeeds, Robin Lumley won't get a dime.

"I'm pretty upset with the mother," he said. But more so, he's "pretty upset with the nurses and the hospital. It is a very basic component of care."

The hospital would not comment on the pending litigation.

Any woman who has endured pregnancy and childbirth might find it hard to believe a fellow female could be unaware of her condition. But psychologists say some women hide their pregnancy to the point that they convince themselves they are not carrying a child.

The denial can have tragic outcomes.

In 1989, 18-year-old Claire Moritt's baby boy drowned after she delivered him into a toilet in her dormitory room near the University of South Florida. Prosecutors tried her for murder, but jurors found her not guilty by reason of insanity after defense attorneys convinced them that she had lost touch with reality and did not know she was pregnant.

Dr. Alexander E. Obolsky, who specializes in psychiatric trauma in Chicago, said Lumley doesn't fit the typical profile of young women who worry about their family's reactions to an unplanned pregnancy.

Still, other factors could have played into Lumley's disconnect with reality, he said. She might not have gained a lot of weight due to her already heavy frame. Though Sebring said she had not had a period in eight months and 24 days, she might have attributed the absence to something else. Lumley had traces of cocaine in her bloodstream when she gave birth, the lawyer said; substance abuse could have clouded her awareness.

"This appears to be, at least on the surface, that there was something going on with this lady psychologically that she was not in tune with her body," Obolsky said. "We all know people who have poor self-observation. People who have bad breath. People who have body odor."

Terry Mills, 50, has two children. She had heard of this kind of thing happening, but she found Lumley's situation hard to believe. So far as Mills knows, the baby's father didn't know Lumley was pregnant, either.

Mills is the father's aunt and Brianna's great-aunt. She has been the child's caregiver for 13 months, since Lumley tested positive for cocaine again. Lumley now lives in Nevada and could not be reached.

Mills said Brianna is just starting to speak. She has had physical therapy to strengthen her limbs, and Mills worries about what other physical challenges might arise.

"She's a lovely child," Mills said. It's a miracle that she's here."

Sebring says the hospital failed the child by overlooking her mother's symptoms. At 8:58 a.m. on Jan. 29, 2006, Lumley showed up at the hospital and reported sharp pain in her abdomen and vaginal bleeding. She thought she might have cancer.

A doctor ordered a pregnancy test -- which wasn't performed, the lawsuit states -- but couldn't conduct a full exam because Lumley was in too much pain, Sebring said.

The attorney said the staff should have been on "high alert" that Lumley was in labor and should never have let her go to the bathroom unassisted. That's how he defends this lawsuit.

Another man's take?

"Chutzpah," Obolsky said. "This is America. You've got to love this country. This woman doesn't know she is pregnant, but somebody else should."


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I have several questions...

1. Who is this Sebring guy? Is he any relation to the baby?
2. If he's just some lawyer then what's his cut?
3. What the fuck business is it of his?

:mad:

I have nothing against the mother, except she is a stupid twit, or the baby it wasn't her fault nor was it the hospitals fault that she was birthed into a toilet. As if the nurses and doctors can tell if an obese woman is pregnant without a test. What a fucking joke.
 
When I was young, an obese neighbor lady was seven months pregnant before anyone...including both her husband and her...knew she was with child.

The boy was delivered successfully...in their car. He drove over some railroad tracks and she gave birth right there. Totally bizarre people. :rolleyes:
 
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I would expect that the hospital staff asked if she was pregnant, and were told she was not. That should be a routine question with those symptoms. Assuming that happened, that would absolve them of any liability they could possibly have.
 
I know a woman whose mother didn't know she was pregnant-- and went to the hospital with what she thought was appendicitis.

IMO, the hospital should win this one.
 
I've got a hard time buying off on this one.

You have unprotected sex, then:
  • You DON'T have a period for 9 months
  • You start having contactions
  • Your water breaks

Nah, I'm not buying it. I mean come on - You get a LOT of "hints" that you're preggers - starting from I had sex and the guy came in me.
 
I rather beleive she didn't know she was pregnant. Quite possible when your overweight, especially grossly, you look 9 months pregnant with twins at the low end of that one. :eek:

Course 46 is right around when alot of women start menopause, I can see her thinking well I guess i'm done with that and having a party. ;) Though the biggest reason I'll beleive she didn't know, drugs, even the mildest illegal substance will make you overlook tons. Start talking the strongly addictive ones and heck they can not know they are dead for rather long periods of time, relatively speaking on the dead part. :rolleyes:

I doubt the hospital would lose the lawsuit, I also am not so sure it will go to trial, it's best to get things like malpractice and such disapear quickly, even if you win the lawsuit you suffer a loss of business because people go they got lucky this time, I don't want to risk it. :rolleyes:
 
The hospital in this event has a bad reputation for major screw-ups. Everyone here knows it. So I'm betting the woman wins the lawsuit...even if the hospital staff acted competently.
 
It is possible to not know one is pregnant -- at least on some levels.

When I went to the doctor, I was sick. That's all I knew. My head hurt, my gums kept bleeding and I had a general feeling of weakness that had lasted for weeks. When they asked if I could be pregnant, I shook my head and said I hadn't skipped any periods, although I remembered one coming in a week late.

A half hour later, the doctor returned, patted my hand and told me, "You're not sick, honey. You're pregnant."

I was in shock, to say the very least. After being told some years before that I could not produce, I figured I would never have to worry about it. Surprise! I was already at the end of my first trimester.

I wasn't obese or a drug user. My symptoms just didn't match what I was told were those of a pregnant woman.

A woman I had known in High School had given birth to a daughter a few years before. She was a little heavy back in school days, but had blossomed into a very large person. She had told me her story not long after she gave birth.

She had gone to the hospital in severe pain. She hadn't been feeling well for some time, but figured it had to do with her weight issues. The pain was horrible. The doctors ran tests, shook their heads and finally ordered CT's and sonograms. As they were wheeling her to radiology on a gurney, she screamed and out popped a 7 lb girl. In the hallway. In front of everyone.

She didn't know she was pregnant. The entire medical staff didn't see signs of labor. She was in her 30's and had always wanted kids but her weight issues came with the side effect of irregular female cycles and all the attempts at creating life had failed. She wasn't in denial. She was thrilled beyond words, and more than a little surprised.

I know many of you don't believe it but it is possible to not know. Just as it's possible to not know you have a tumor in your chest or that the ache in her leg is actually a cracked bone.
 
It is possible to not know one is pregnant -- at least on some levels.

When I went to the doctor, I was sick. That's all I knew. My head hurt, my gums kept bleeding and I had a general feeling of weakness that had lasted for weeks. When they asked if I could be pregnant, I shook my head and said I hadn't skipped any periods, although I remembered one coming in a week late.

A half hour later, the doctor returned, patted my hand and told me, "You're not sick, honey. You're pregnant."

I was in shock, to say the very least. After being told some years before that I could not produce, I figured I would never have to worry about it. Surprise! I was already at the end of my first trimester.

I wasn't obese or a drug user. My symptoms just didn't match what I was told were those of a pregnant woman.

A woman I had known in High School had given birth to a daughter a few years before. She was a little heavy back in school days, but had blossomed into a very large person. She had told me her story not long after she gave birth.

She had gone to the hospital in severe pain. She hadn't been feeling well for some time, but figured it had to do with her weight issues. The pain was horrible. The doctors ran tests, shook their heads and finally ordered CT's and sonograms. As they were wheeling her to radiology on a gurney, she screamed and out popped a 7 lb girl. In the hallway. In front of everyone.

She didn't know she was pregnant. The entire medical staff didn't see signs of labor. She was in her 30's and had always wanted kids but her weight issues came with the side effect of irregular female cycles and all the attempts at creating life had failed. She wasn't in denial. She was thrilled beyond words, and more than a little surprised.

I know many of you don't believe it but it is possible to not know. Just as it's possible to not know you have a tumor in your chest or that the ache in her leg is actually a cracked bone.

That's why I'm suspicious. I can understand having irregular cycles. I have them myself. I can miss two in a row and not sweat it much. However, if you miss several in a row, especially after having unprotected sex, you know something is amiss and you go see a doctor.

It just seems inconceivable (no pun intended) that somebody wouldn't notice that they had missed nine menstrual cycles. That is WAY past irregular. If she had psychological or drug and alcohol issues okay I could buy it, but the article gives no reference to that being the case.
 
That's why I'm suspicious. I can understand having irregular cycles. I have them myself. I can miss two in a row and not sweat it much. However, if you miss several in a row, especially after having unprotected sex, you know something is amiss and you go see a doctor.

It just seems inconceivable (no pun intended) that somebody wouldn't notice that they had missed nine menstrual cycles. That is WAY past irregular. If she had psychological or drug and alcohol issues okay I could buy it, but the article gives no reference to that being the case.
Just a thought...

I haven't bled in nearly six months, and I have no idea when I will again. I'm most decidedly not pregnant, my periods are just very irregular. It's annoying and I hate it, but I'm used to it.

Add to that someone who isn't very good about keeping track of their period and might not be sure when they had their last, and I can see how that could escape her.
 
That's why I'm suspicious. I can understand having irregular cycles. I have them myself. I can miss two in a row and not sweat it much. However, if you miss several in a row, especially after having unprotected sex, you know something is amiss and you go see a doctor.

It just seems inconceivable (no pun intended) that somebody wouldn't notice that they had missed nine menstrual cycles. That is WAY past irregular. If she had psychological or drug and alcohol issues okay I could buy it, but the article gives no reference to that being the case.

It said she tested positive for cocaine use right after the birth and again a year or so later when she lost custody of the child.
 
That's why I'm suspicious. I can understand having irregular cycles. I have them myself. I can miss two in a row and not sweat it much. However, if you miss several in a row, especially after having unprotected sex, you know something is amiss and you go see a doctor.

It just seems inconceivable (no pun intended) that somebody wouldn't notice that they had missed nine menstrual cycles. That is WAY past irregular. If she had psychological or drug and alcohol issues okay I could buy it, but the article gives no reference to that being the case.


She was 46.
Menopausal.
Not having cycles for 9 months is quite normal !!

Believe me, look up the statistics of menopausal women who give birth unexpectedly.
 
It's tragic that the child may have serious life-long medical problems but:

"Tripp" is trippin out. He should be charged with filing frivolous lawsuits taking up valuable judges and juries time, and the expenses occurred, judge salary, jury selection, courtroom costs etc., should be paid for out of a fine charged to "Tripp."

The mother tested positive for drug use, and told the hospital staff she was not pregnant.

The hospital cannot order someone not to go to the bathroom.

Who would assist an obese crackhead who thinks its normal to have 6 pound bowel movements go to the bathroom?

And why?

WTF? A pregnancy test was ordered to rule out that possibility, the hospital staff was doing thier job based on information given by the patient, even doublechecking to see if the info she gave was wrong, when she went and gave birth in the toilet.

And no, it is not the toilet manufacturers fault either.

It is a tragedy, and "Tripp" should be held accountable for attempting to sue those who saved this childs life. Had this woman not been in a hospital the child surely would have died.

:rose:
 
It's tragic that the child may have serious life-long medical problems but:

"Tripp" is trippin out. He should be charged with filing frivolous lawsuits taking up valuable judges and juries time, and the expenses occurred, judge salary, jury selection, courtroom costs etc., should be paid for out of a fine charged to "Tripp."

The mother tested positive for drug use, and told the hospital staff she was not pregnant.

The hospital cannot order someone not to go to the bathroom.

Who would assist an obese crackhead who thinks its normal to have 6 pound bowel movements go to the bathroom?

And why?

WTF? A pregnancy test was ordered to rule out that possibility, the hospital staff was doing thier job based on information given by the patient, even doublechecking to see if the info she gave was wrong, when she went and gave birth in the toilet.

And no, it is not the toilet manufacturers fault either.

It is a tragedy, and "Tripp" should be held accountable for attempting to sue those who saved this childs life. Had this woman not been in a hospital the child surely would have died.

:rose:

I wonder if he's related to Linda Tripp. :confused:
 
Had this woman not been in a hospital the child surely would have died.

Not necessarily the case. She was a six pounder, probably close to term at that weight if her mother was a drug user.

As for being born into the toilet, it's not necessarily a death sentence either. Babies actually don't breathe immediately. Born in water, they don't attempt to breathe at all until they're out into the air. When the head is out, the lungs are still compressed and can't expand. And this baby was still connected, presumably, to this mother by the umbilical cord. She couldn't have gone far without having to look and see what happened. Even if her first instinct was to run for help, she couldn't have done so without picking up the baby first.

Now if the lawyer defending this case is worth his salt, he'll argue that cocaine use can cause placenta abruption - which would explain the vaginal bleeding - and would have already deprived the baby of oxygen long before the actual birth, making the girl's handicaps a result of the mother's negligence, not the hospital's.
 
Not necessarily the case. She was a six pounder, probably close to term at that weight if her mother was a drug user.

As for being born into the toilet, it's not necessarily a death sentence either. Babies actually don't breathe immediately. Born in water, they don't attempt to breathe at all until they're out into the air. When the head is out, the lungs are still compressed and can't expand. And this baby was still connected, presumably, to this mother by the umbilical cord. She couldn't have gone far without having to look and see what happened. Even if her first instinct was to run for help, she couldn't have done so without picking up the baby first.

Now if the lawyer defending this case is worth his salt, he'll argue that cocaine use can cause placenta abruption - which would explain the vaginal bleeding - and would have already deprived the baby of oxygen long before the actual birth, making the girl's handicaps a result of the mother's negligence, not the hospital's.

Some women actually give birth in tubs or things like hot tubs. Like you mentioned, the baby only begins breathing a while after birth and before that spends 9 months in water.
 
Oh, and the child's developmental delays could ALSO be a result of mother's cocaine use. Cocaine and crack use have been known to cause major central nervous issues that come out as the child gets older - learning delays and behavioral issues, but also things like abnormal muscle tone, and slow growth rate and language difficulties.
 
That's why I'm suspicious. I can understand having irregular cycles. I have them myself. I can miss two in a row and not sweat it much. However, if you miss several in a row, especially after having unprotected sex, you know something is amiss and you go see a doctor.

It just seems inconceivable (no pun intended) that somebody wouldn't notice that they had missed nine menstrual cycles. That is WAY past irregular. If she had psychological or drug and alcohol issues okay I could buy it, but the article gives no reference to that being the case.

Ah, but I didn't skip any cycles at all until after my 5th month. I found out, only after I gave birth, that this is normal in my family. It would have been nice had my mother warned me. :rolleyes: So, had I been obese, I would have chalked up the weight gain to the natural order of my eating habits.

In the case of my HS friend, she said that she hadn't had periods for over a year, something her doctor attributed to her physical condition. It was part of the reason that she was told she would never have babies unless she lost a lot of weight.

I work with a woman who had gastric bypass surgery. She was over 500 lbs when she had it done. When asked for her reasons for going to such lengths, she said it was because she wanted to have kids and was not physically capable due to her size. Apparently, gross obesity can cause infertility by stopping the female body from actually having cycles. My co-worker said that it was a year after the surgery that she had her first period. What most women dread every month was met by her with screams of joy. She also said that when she first stopped having periods, she thought it was pregnancy that caused it, but was soon set straight by her doctor. It was all that excess weight.

I'm not excusing the drug-addicted fool of a woman who gave birth in the icy water of a toilet. I'm merely saying it's possible that she didnt' know. Besides, she was high and not really living with reality.
 
Ah, but I didn't skip any cycles at all until after my 5th month. I found out, only after I gave birth, that this is normal in my family. It would have been nice had my mother warned me. :rolleyes: So, had I been obese, I would have chalked up the weight gain to the natural order of my eating habits.

In the case of my HS friend, she said that she hadn't had periods for over a year, something her doctor attributed to her physical condition. It was part of the reason that she was told she would never have babies unless she lost a lot of weight.

I work with a woman who had gastric bypass surgery. She was over 500 lbs when she had it done. When asked for her reasons for going to such lengths, she said it was because she wanted to have kids and was not physically capable due to her size. Apparently, gross obesity can cause infertility by stopping the female body from actually having cycles. My co-worker said that it was a year after the surgery that she had her first period. What most women dread every month was met by her with screams of joy. She also said that when she first stopped having periods, she thought it was pregnancy that caused it, but was soon set straight by her doctor. It was all that excess weight.

I'm not excusing the drug-addicted fool of a woman who gave birth in the icy water of a toilet. I'm merely saying it's possible that she didnt' know. Besides, she was high and not really living with reality.

Yeah, I guess. :eek:

It just seems so alien to me to not know you are preggers. It's probably me subconsciously wishing I didn't have to be so methodical about it.
 
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