Okay, this shit is getting old.

[SeaCat]

I have watched the video. All of it. (You can too, it's on YouTube.) When I first saw it my original reaction was she got what she asked for.

She broke curfew. She had a bag filled with new items with their sales tickets still on them, but no receipt. She argued with the cop, she fought the cop and paid the price.

It's under internal investigation.

Now Al Sharpton is getting involved. I'm sure Jesse Jackson isn't far behind. Uncle Al is asking questions. (Or at least some of his cohorts are.) I see what's coming and I'm disgusted by it.

Your opinions please?

Teen's supporters: Fort Pierce cop should be suspended
By PAUL QUINLAN

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Thursday, October 11, 2007

FORT PIERCE — Rallying around the 15-year-old girl whose violent arrest video has caught national media attention, a representative of Rev. Al Sharpton's National Action Network called for Fort Pierce Police Officer Daniel Gilroy's immediate suspension while the department investigates the arrest.

In a press conference in front of City Hall Thursday morning, Rev. William F. Richardson said Gilroy used excessive force in his July 15 arrest of 15-year-old Shelwanda Riley for a curfew violation.

In the squad car's dashboard camera footage of the arrest, which has been replayed across the nation, Officer Gilroy repeatedly asked for her to stop resisting as she screamed and twisted. When Riley bit Gilroy, the officer punched her in the face and sprayed her with mace before taking her to the juvenile detention center.

"Whatever your opinion, there is a clear case that this was excessive force," Richardson said, flanked by Riley, her aunt and a group of local pastors and supporters. "This officer should not be working the beat while this is under investigation."

After coming out in support of Gilroy, Fort Pierce Police Chief Sean Baldwin said the department had begun an investigation into the arrest Sunday, saying that additional evidence deserved consideration.

Richardson said he spoke on behalf of Rev. Sharpton, whom he said is closely following the case but could not be at the press conference because Sharpton is in the Bahamas on other business.

Richardson and Finney also called for better training of how police officers address teens and curfew violations, so as to prevent future clashes.

Richardson did not say how he hoped the police department's internal investigation would play out, saying only that the city and department should be held accountable and that the officer should be suspended from duty until a the investigation concludes.

"I ask for his immediate suspension," Richardson said of Gilroy. "We want to honor the investigation, but he should not be out on the street."

Chief Baldwin has refused to comment on the case, since he ordered an inquiry into the arrest.

But in comments shortly after the arrest video appeared in television news reports last week, Baldwin defended Gilroy, saying he would have acted no differently in similar circumstances.

He also criticised Riley's aunt, Gloria Smith, for taking the video to the media before taking her complaint to the department.

Addressing that criticism, Richardson said Smith acted out of fear.

"Mrs. Smith felt intimidated and uncomfortable by the process," Richardson said.

Asked whether they would file suit against the department, Finney said attention should focus on the criminal case.

"Let us be concerned with what happens right now before we proceed with any litigation," Finney said.

Cat

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I had a case one time involving a 17 year old black female.

She was on the street after curfew and her mother found her. Somewhere, somehow the girl got a cat-scratch on her inside ankle. She went to school and told the guidance counselor mama ran her over with the Cadillac.

I got the case, looked at the little scratch, and said "Kiss my ass, I'm outta here."

So then the girl tells the GC "Daddy rapes me." And we go back.

The girl is 17 and on the school track team. Okay? Daddy weighs 500 pounds and is leashed to an oxygen tank. Daddy has emphesema and diabetes and multiple heart operations. Plus he's on oxygen and all the brothers & sisters say the accusation is bull-shit. Momma says daddy hasnt had a hard-on in years.

But EVERYONE on the planet goes apeshit for this girl. EVERYBODY. Daddy had one pot possession bust as a teen, and EVERYBODY is screaming DRUG LORD! It was crazy.

So it goes to trial for rape. Daddy comes in with the oxygen tank, and the judge takes a good look at him, talks to mom, and throws the case out.

 

[SeaCat]

I had a case one time involving a 17 year old black female.

She was on the street after curfew and her mother found her. Somewhere, somehow the girl got a cat-scratch on her inside ankle. She went to school and told the guidance counselor mama ran her over with the Cadillac.

I got the case, looked at the little scratch, and said "Kiss my ass, I'm outta here."

So then the girl tells the GC "Daddy rapes me." And we go back.

The girl is 17 and on the school track team. Okay? Daddy weighs 500 pounds and is leashed to an oxygen tank. Daddy has emphesema and diabetes and multiple heart operations. Plus he's on oxygen and all the brothers & sisters say the accusation is bull-shit. Momma says daddy hasnt had a hard-on in years.

But EVERYONE on the planet goes apeshit for this girl. EVERYBODY. Daddy had one pot possession bust as a teen, and EVERYBODY is screaming DRUG LORD! It was crazy.

So it goes to trial for rape. Daddy comes in with the oxygen tank, and the judge takes a good look at him, talks to mom, and throws the case out.

An interesting case I'm sure, and one that had it's elements of "What the Fuck", but how does this deal with the case I mentioned?

Cat

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Ah! You wanna be led by the hand.

People get excited about kids. They lose good sense. They assume kids cant be assholes and manipulate everyone.

 

[angelicminx]

Thanks, Cat, for making one of my brief pop-in's interesting.

My opinion? He didn't use excessive force. Just before the alleged punch and his use of mace, she bit him. Her screams and tears about him hurting her arms... hmm, she's being arrested, there's nothing she can do about that, cooperate and she won't get hurt. Makes sense to me. What I saw, in my opinion, showed her resisting arrest. 15 or not, resisting is resisting. I'd likely have knocked the girl out had she bit me.

Unfortunately for the officer on the case, I believe the publicity and the fact that she's 15 will bury him. I hope like hell I'm wrong, will be quite happy if I am, but I think I'm right.

Minx

 

[trysail]

... Rev. Sharpton, whom he said is... in the Bahamas on other business.

God help us! I can't help but wonder if the Rt. Rev. was doing some offshore banking. What a charlatan! Where's Tawana Brawley these days?

 

[fieryjen]

I agree. That wasn't even close to using excessive force. I would have lost my patience with her a few minutes earlier than he did.

 

[SeaCat]

Ah! You wanna be led by the hand.

People get excited about kids. They lose good sense. They assume kids cant be assholes and manipulate everyone.

My friend James,

Do I want to be led by the hand?

Honestly I do not.

Yet I do wish for me to explain how your case pertains to the one I have posted.

The case I posted shows a Police officer demanding the person to stop resisting arrest multiple times. When she refuses and bites him he reacts by striking her then Maciing her.

Your case is about a young woman who allegedly gets scratched by a feline, then makes increasingly injurious claims about her injury.

One case is well documented by video and is now infering police brutality with the idea of racism, the other case is circumstantial at best.

How are they connected?

Cat

 

[SeaCat]

Thanks, Cat, for making one of my brief pop-in's interesting.

My opinion? He didn't use excessive force. Just before the alleged punch and his use of mace, she bit him. Her screams and tears about him hurting her arms... hmm, she's being arrested, there's nothing she can do about that, cooperate and she won't get hurt. Makes sense to me. What I saw, in my opinion, showed her resisting arrest. 15 or not, resisting is resisting. I'd likely have knocked the girl out had she bit me.

Unfortunately for the officer on the case, I believe the publicity and the fact that she's 15 will bury him. I hope like hell I'm wrong, will be quite happy if I am, but I think I'm right.

Minx

Unfortunately I believe that you are correct.

Now that race has been called into the case, and the fact that high profile personages are showing up I believe things will get out of hand.

The facts of the case will be mostly forgotten. It will boil down to a case of a White Police Officer enforcing the laws or statuates and the person he is enforcing them against being a young black female. (I wouldn't at all be surprised if charges of sexual battery are raised.) What will be forgotten are the facts of her being out after curfew and her carrying a bag of clothing with the sales tags still on them without a receipt. What will be ignored is when she was questioned about these she started fighting and resisting.

I will of course report on any findings or reports about this.

Cat

 

[SensualCealy]

MO, Too much force, lets be honest, a big burly cop can usually curtail a 15 yr old girl!

Resisting arrest is exactly that, but how much force does a man, that has to fit a certain criteria, have to use to break a 15 yr old down to get her into the cop car?

The whole race thing, first off, I didnt realize until your last post that there was a race issue, what the hell does race have to do with it? She was out after curfew, case closed! She resisted arrest, case closed! He used too much force, repremand him, let him do his damn job!

Now as for the bag of clothes without a receipt, my kids will toss the receipt in the garbage as they walk out the store door to my horror (Im the one that usually has to take the stuff back that doesnt fit!) , so to me that is no issue at all. Innocent till proven guilty of theft. One call immediately after the situation could clarify she was in the store and purchased items. Infact, most stores have security tapes now. If she is busted on that, so be it.

Now a day every action seems to bring on many assumed actions, we live in a world of lies and deception, but that doesn't mean that everyone lies and is deceptive.

Where I stand:

She should be charged with being out after curfew (set a presendence (sp) to her peers)
She should be charged with resisting arrest
After an investigation on the clothing ...if stolen, arrested for theft under__$

He should be repremanded for excessive force and have to take a class on how to defuse situations without getting physical.

Now, that said, on to the next topic... lol
C

 

[Guest]

My sister has a twelve pound dog that hates getting his nails cut, it takes three people to hold the thing down...

Size doesn't matter. I dated a cop for a couple of years, we moved in together. I've seen first hand what these guys go through and find it disturbing that the public doesn't stand behind good cops but only throws the bad ones into the public light.

Fifteen years olds can be quite resourceful. If she'd have bitten me, I'd have kicked the snot out of her. Leave the guy alone and quit making things out to be what they aren't.

 

[Lisa Denton]

"Teen's supporters: Fort Pierce cop should be suspended
By PAUL QUINLAN

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Thursday, October 11, 2007

When Riley bit Gilroy, the officer punched her in the face and sprayed her with mace before taking her to the juvenile detention center."

I will go lookie for the video Cat.

I haven't seen it.

Without seeing it first though, I think when a suspect bites an officer that is assault. If the suspect knows they have aids it is attempted murder. If the suspect has aids, and doesn't know it, the police officer's life is still in danger.

Often after being bitten, the officer has to take numerous drugs to try to prevent aids, some with severe side affects, until a judge rules that the suspect should be aids tested. If the test is positive for aids, whether the suspect knew it or not, the police officers life is suddenly changed. He will be tested every few months and always wonder if each test will be a death sentence.

I have no problem with police using deadly force to protect thier lives, and ours. When a suspect bites, or spits into the face of an officer, he should be allowed to defend himself as if his life depends on it .... it very well might.

He should be given a commendation for not using deadly force when assaulted with possible deadly force.

 

[Lisa Denton]

OK, I watched it.

Her age, race, size, and suspected violations had nothing to do with it.

She aggressively resisted arrest and assaulted a police officer.

It was sad that she forced him to react in that manner.

What is sadder is that she is being supported and applauded for resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

CAT

Dear, are you familiar with the concept 'levels of abstraction'? Your story is about several things...white males, white male cops, teenagers, teenaged female, blacks, black female, black teens, do-gooders, do-gooders who exploit race or sex or whatever, etc. So my comments are relevant for one or more of your story's aspects, at different levels of abstraction.

Put me on ignore and then your head wont hurt trying to fathom my posts.

 

[lushlucid]

I will go lookie for the video Cat.

I haven't seen it.

Without seeing it first though, I think when a suspect bites an officer that is assault. If the suspect knows they have aids it is attempted murder. If the suspect has aids, and doesn't know it, the police officer's life is still in danger.

Often after being bitten, the officer has to take numerous drugs to try to prevent aids, some with severe side affects, until a judge rules that the suspect should be aids tested. If the test is positive for aids, whether the suspect knew it or not, the police officers life is suddenly changed. He will be tested every few months and always wonder if each test will be a death sentence.

I have no problem with police using deadly force to protect thier lives, and ours. When a suspect bites, or spits into the face of an officer, he should be allowed to defend himself as if his life depends on it .... it very well might.

He should be given a commendation for not using deadly force when assaulted with possible deadly force.

You get aids from blood on blood contact dear, not being spat on.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Back in the days of Civil Rights marches and demonstrations in the 1960's, the Reverands Jackson and Sharpton were always photographed "with Martin Luther King." But look at the photos. Those two were always at the back - secondary numonaries in a large grouping.

Something happened about the time MLK and the second Kennedy were murdered. It was discovered that minds had changed. There really wasn't any need for the National Guard at the University of Alabama any more. There was not need for "Freedom Marches" in our major cities. Martin Luther King's message had gotten across to Americans and the American mindset had reacted.

So, here we are forty-five years later and Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton are still living in the '60s. MLK is gone and they've seen their chance to be in the "front row" in the "battle of racial equality." But they have a problem.

There is no battle anymore. Those days are gone. Now all Jackson and Sharpton can do to place themselves in the front row is to create an aura around an incident that they can make seem to be racially motivated, true or not.

Someone needs to explain to them that if they hadn't won the battles of the 1960's they wouldn't now have a platform to spread their hate.

 

[fieryjen]

You get aids from blood on blood contact dear, not being spat on.

Biting isn't the same as spitting. Blood contact is possible in the first.

 

[Oblimo]

Why did he punch her in the face before using the mace?

Is a punch to the face typical police procedure?

I ask because I don't know.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Why did he punch her in the face before using the mace?

Is a punch to the face typical police procedure?

I ask because I don't know.

According to Al Sharpton, Yes. It's normal procedure if the "perp" is black

 

[TheeGoatPig]

Why did he punch her in the face before using the mace?

Is a punch to the face typical police procedure?

I ask because I don't know.

I haven't watched the whole thing, but I can imagine that it is just a natural reflex to being bitten, to swat away at what is biting me. If it is larger than a small dog, I would probably punch it with a closed fist as well. People being larger than small dogs, I would definitely be using a fist as an initial attack against a biter.

 

[lushlucid]

I haven't watched the whole thing, but I can imagine that it is just a natural reflex to being bitten, to swat away at what is biting me. If it is larger than a small dog, I would probably punch it with a closed fist as well. People being larger than small dogs, I would definitely be using a fist as an initial attack against a biter.

Yes but this isn't you, it's a cop.

 

[lushlucid]

Biting isn't the same as spitting. Blood contact is possible in the first.

Only if they draw blood with their bite and the person had open and bloody sores in their mouth.

I think it's also wrong to assume every perp has Aids and therefore it's ok to punch them?

 

[fieryjen]

Only if they draw blood with their bite and the person had open and bloody sores in their mouth.

I think it's also wrong to assume every perp has Aids and therefore it's ok to punch them?

... which means that blood contact is possible. I didn't see whether blood was drawn, all I'm saying is that it is possible. I also don't see what you mean by your second statement. Nobody was assuming that this girl has AIDS. But when there is any kind of blood contact, I'm pretty sure it's procedure just about everywhere to be cautious and assume that an infection is possible. What that has to do with punching the girl I don't know. I'm pretty sure his reason for punching her was the fact that he was trying to subdue her, and possibly the fact that he was mad she bit him. I'm pretty sure his thought process wasn't "She's black, she has AIDS, now I'm infected. That bitch!"

 

[lushlucid]

... which means that blood contact is possible. I didn't see whether blood was drawn, all I'm saying is that it is possible. I also don't see what you mean by your second statement. Nobody was assuming that this girl has AIDS. But when there is any kind of blood contact, I'm pretty sure it's procedure just about everywhere to be cautious and assume that an infection is possible. What that has to do with punching the girl I don't know. I'm pretty sure his reason for punching her was the fact that he was trying to subdue her, and possibly the fact that he was mad she bit him. I'm pretty sure his thought process wasn't "She's black, she has AIDS, now I'm infected. That bitch!"

If you read the thread over, you'll see an implication was made.

 

[Vermilion]

Only if they draw blood with their bite and the person had open and bloody sores in their mouth.

I think it's also wrong to assume every perp has Aids and therefore it's ok to punch them?

Not necessarily - if they drew blood with the bite then merely infected saliva has the pontentiality to infect.

Else why would semen/vaginal secretions be dangerous during unprotected sex? It's bodily fluids, not just blood.

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