OK!!! Who let the moral majority in!!!

[angelsin]

Folks I have had it!!!! And anyone who believes that we all have the right to live our lives the way we want to should speak up.

Granted I do believe that, children and those who are not mentally capable of defending themselves should be left alone. And no one should be forced to do something they do not want to do. Other than that what gives anyone the right to tell anyone else what is right or wrong???? God or Supreme Being or just even Nature gave us freewill did they not? What gives anyone of us the right to tell someone else not to share their spouse, or not to lust after some one else’s spouse, or even not to deceive their spouse??? Or just simply dictate what is right or wrong according their way of life????

Lately I have seen just way too many of these “Moral” people on our threads. In real life in too many places these “Moral” people have managed to control our actions by Laws, now they are here trying to control how we think??? Not me that is for sure. And what the hell is a “Moral” person doing reading posts in an adult site any ways??? Don’t know about you but sure makes me wonder what they all got hidden away under their beds.

Come on folks speak up for free thinking is the only thing no one can take away from us but we can sure give it away!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[sinnamongyrl]

I for one am very over being judged for what I do and what I have done,,,,,its comes from the general public,,,,its even came from a man that got the benefit of what i did....what a PRICK!!!!,,,,we fucked around on our first date(uhmm,,,ok,,he got head),but I had known him for maybe 2 months before we went out,,,,,so anyway,,,,when he and i were breaking up he mentioned that he never liked the fact that I sucked his dick our first date,,,,,,,,things like that bug me,,,,,,and also just general uptight opinions about sex..i do NOT judge ANYONE,,,and it bugs me even more when I get judged,,,,,i am sure I will have a point sometime today...lol....distracted right now...

 

[angelsin]

Our first brave soul!!

Thank you so much Hun!!!

lets keep it going folks

 

[Eilan]

Well, I'll probably come across as the voice of dissent here even though I agree with you (in part), but what the hell. . .

First of all, I think you're overreacting. One or two posts by less-than-tolerant individuals does not a "moral majority" make.

Because of things that I've posted about (not on this board, but on the HT board) I have been on the receiving end of Lit judgment, and it sucks. I try to refrain from doing it whenever possible, but I'll be the first to admit that I'm not always successful. Honestly, I think humans are judgmental by nature; some of them just do a better job of keeping their thoughts to themselves. As I just said in another thread, I think that Litsters shouldn't get into "my-kink-is-superior-to-your-kink" debates.

However, one of the joys (or pitfalls) of a public forum like Lit is that people can say pretty much what they want, within the relatively few guidelines established by the site owners. What this means is that while you're free to start a thread on virtually any subject, others are also free to voice their opinions--even dissenting opinions. I've heard people say that some of the negative, judgmental posters violate the "spirit of Lit" (whatever the hell that is), but, in all honesty, wanting to stifle their voices just because they don't agree with you or condone your behavior (and I mean a general "you," not anyone specific) is a greater violation of what Lit stands for.

Have realistic expectations. If you want to start a thread, fine, but if you won't be able to handle it when not everybody jumps on your bandwagon, then perhaps you should think twice before you hit "Submit Reply."

 

[whatageek]

I just don't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

 

[SweetErika]

Angelsin, I've been around the Lit block multiple times, and have only seen the type of comments bogartjack made in the "My Wife" thread infrequently. You have to admit almost all of the people here are open-minded and accepting of others, as long as they're not hurting themselves or others (that is, hurting w/o consent).

You may be lumping people who speak out against things like cheating in your "Moral Majority" label...is that fair to say? The reality is that most of those people are extremely open minded and accepting, but when asked questions like, "Have you cheated? Did you enjoy it?" they're going to answer the questions and provide explanations for their answers. That's the beauty of a message board, a community based on sharing, discussion, and free speech.

I am one of the people who usually answers the cheating questions that way. Why? Because when someone sings the praises of cheating, I hope they'll also consider the negatives, namely the incredible pain and health risks they're subjecting their nonconsenting partner to. It's kind of like if someone says they're going to go out and mug a little old lady, I'm going to speak up and say, "Have you considered the pain that'll cause the little old lady?" I'm all for healthy couples having some type of open relationship (my husband and I do), and I believe doing it that way can help avoid the problems associated with cheating.

If a wife wants to see her husband fuck 500 other women, and he's willing, I'm all for it. If a guy wants advice on inserting a monster dildo, I'll give it. Watersports, humiliation, everything BDSM, role play, etc.? Great! But with all of these things, and others like cheating, I'm also going to give you the info I have, good and/or bad. If you ask for my opinion, I'm going to give you an honest one. If you don't like it, tough, and stick to places like AmPics where you always will get the opinions you want because free speech is restricted.

 

[angelsin]

Well, I'll probably come across as the voice of dissent here even though I agree with you (in part), but what the hell. . .

First of all, ..............

First off let me thank you for posting, and I can see in your words where we are basically on the same side, though I too can not agree with everything you said. And I can accept people not agreeing with me and what others are discussing on a thread and yes everyone has a right to their opinions. But what is way uncalled for is the attacking of someone’s likes. “you people are sick I can’t believe you like this” is a little bit more than “less-than-tolerant” and if you look around you will find there are far more than “one or two”.

I hop you understand I am not bashing you as I don’t believe you were trying to bash me. You simply expressed a difference of opinion in a manor it should be done. I hope there are no hard feelings as there are none from me.

Again thank you for posting

 

[Eilan]

I hop you understand I am not bashing you as I don’t believe you were trying to bash me. You simply expressed a difference of opinion in a manor it should be done. I hope there are no hard feelings as there are none from me.

No hard feelings here. I think that there are some ways in which we agree, but I also think we can agree to disagree.

 

[sinnamongyrl]

mine is more from people in my life,,,and not from here,,,,,,i have never really been attacked here for what i do,,,,,,,

 

[angelsin]

Angelsin, I've been around the Lit block multiple times, and have only seen the type of comments bogartjack made in the "My Wife" thread infrequently. You have to admit almost all of the people here are open-minded and accepting of others, as long as they're not hurting themselves or others (that is, hurting w/o consent)...........

Thank you for posting Erika, I do agree most people are here are very open minded, I am speaking out about the ones that are not. And I agree “Moral Majority” was too much but I said it and will not take it down and try to hide it. It was going too far and will admit to it. Unlike you I have not been around lit very long, and maybe it is the threads that draw my attention that get all the responses I am speaking out against, but they do not seem infrequent to me. I expect people to have different opinions but there is a very big difference in telling someone you do not agree with them for this and that reason, to telling them they are wrong or sick for liking such tings. In the one post one where he is told to fix his marriage, I can accept a person posting his or her concept of marriage and stating he or she does not agree with what he is doing or attempting to do. But I do not accept that person saying his marriage needs fixing because it does not conform to his concept. As I said in an other post to me all of those replies are only saying, “I do not like this, therefore you should not like it either”

I respect your opinions and thank you for you post, as with Eilan, I hope we can just agree to disagree on some of this points, and not let it interfere in future crossing our paths may have.

 

[Mike260]

Erika and Angelsin, I'm touched that you've come to my defense on Bogartjack's moralistic attack on my "My Wife" thread.

My real problem with his attack was that he launched it on a personal's ad. I wasn't looking for opinions. I just wanted to know who was interested in a little sex stuff with my wife. I thought Bogartjack's post fucked with the whole intent of the thread. It was a form of graffiti.

On the other hand, on discussion threads, I would welcome even more input from the Moral Majority (though I don't think they are, in fact, a minority). I'm actually a big believer in wholesomeness. It would be great to have someone challenge the Lit Majority on how we can jive our far flung sexual tastes with wholesome living. (I think it can be done.)

And lets face it. The sex lives of some Moral Majority members must be pretty wild. I was friends with a couple of devout, traditional Catholics who had 11 kids. What the hell were they doing on Saturday nights?!

 

[angelsin]

Well Mike, the use of “Moral Majority” was out of line as I posted before, I was lashing out at those people who I feel write down right hateful replies. But these two lovely ladies have made me think and made me see that I was wrong in lashing out with this thread. I know under stand these are probably people who don’t understand and don’t want to understand but don’t know any other way of expressing their feelings and preferences. But I do realize something now. That just as we have the right to our “kinks”, so do they have their rights to be idiots.

 

[Cathleen]

I have just read the thread in question and truthfully I found Bogartjack's response tame considering some of the things I've seen here at Lit. But this thread isn't about him and his comment is easily dismissed. Mike and his wife are capable of making decisions about their marriage and behaviors. But there will be the occasional bogartjack running around... fortunately they're easy to ignore most of the time.

The thought that jumped out at me was the judgment that I am not a moral person just because I participate on a porn board. That is far from accurate. I wholeheartily agree with Elian when she said there is a real sense of community here. That community isn't based on our sexual behaviors or proclivities, it is a community because we care and share our thoughts and experiences in an adult manner... and we debate too.

I've learned so much here, challenged many of my beliefs or attitudes and shared much with these people. However, my immoral acts are few (I am human), in action or behavior and think the same of most people here. Morals and values are personal as well as public - we might have similar or different items on our list but if we don't agree that doesn't deem the other an idiot... just different.

Many times it is in considering those differences that become the very thing that opens my mind further, not close it. Lit might be a porn board by definition but the reality of Lit couldn't be farther from the truth.

I'm very glad you've found Lit angelsin, I look forward to getting to know you. Welcome.

 

[Eilan]

That just as we have the right to our “kinks”, so do they have their rights to be idiots.

See, this is where we disagree. Someone who disagrees with another's kinks isn't necessarily an idiot. Poorly informed? Maybe. Rigidly intolerant? Sure, why not. But idiots? I don't think we're qualified to make that decision based on one post on a message board.

I certainly don't condone what's been brought up in your cheating thread on the Personals Board because the issue hits too close to home for me. That might make me a judgmental ass, but it certainly doesn't make me stupid.

When you call those who judge others idiots, you sink to their level. Is that your intent?

 

[SweetErika]

Thank you for posting Erika, I do agree most people are here are very open minded, I am speaking out about the ones that are not. And I agree “Moral Majority” was too much but I said it and will not take it down and try to hide it. It was going too far and will admit to it.

Honestly, the "moral majority" comment didn't bother me, and my point wasn't to say you were wrong (though as you agree, it's an exaggeration). I was simply trying to clarify there is a distinct difference between those who condemn sexual kinks that don't hurt anyone, and those who disagree and answer questions about behaviors that DO hurt people.

Unlike you I have not been around lit very long, and maybe it is the threads that draw my attention that get all the responses I am speaking out against, but they do not seem infrequent to me.

If you don't mind, I'll give you my perspective on this. From what I can tell, you mostly post in the Personals area. In my experience, there is a higher rotation of posters in this area, and perhaps less of a sense of community. There also seems to be a higher percentage of certain types of posters, just like any other area of lit, and the nature of the discussions (usually focused on looking for people to do ____ with, surveys of sexual preferences, flirting, etc.) appears to be more concentrated. When you think about it, it's a great environment for those who are looking to condemn the desires and actions of others.

On the flip side, I've noticed people share their experiences and seem to be more open to things like cheating than in other areas. If a question like, "I love cheating! How about you?" was posted in the HT Cafe, for example, I'm confident it wouldn't get a lot of positive/"Oh yeah! Cheating is so great!"-type responses. Posters that deem activities that don't hurt anyone "sick" or "wrong" are extremely well in the HT area as well. There's a strong sense of community and larger group of core posters, so anyone who makes that type of comment will probably receive responses that make them feel pretty unwelcome.

My point? Certain subjects, threads, types of posters, and opinions vary widely and are (in)frequent depending on which area you're in.

 

[prometheussleep]

I guess I am part of the moral majority.....

Maybe not in the way you think though.

Anything done in a relationship with consent of both parties is fair game in my book.

I don't care what it is as long as children and animals aren't involved.

Real simple.

But, in my life? There are many things I would not be involved in, Due to my morals but I am not asking you to conform to those standards. Do what you will.

My comments on the other thread were mainly directed at doing things TO your partner, without consent, like cheating.

The question about "what is a moral person doing here?"

The answer is simple, the same thing you are darling.

Peace