OK...this is getting old real fast! Any "Winderz" experts out there?

[Thumper]

I just reformatted and reinstalled Windows 98 on my computer for the third time in three weeks Saturday.

Anytime I am using IE or Netscape I eventually get Invalid Page Fault messages.At first it is in registers marked <unknown>. Netscape faults out virtually on loading and IE waits awhile then starts doing it at an ever shortening interval. Then I start getting a notice that a window I was using has behaved abnormally and caused an internal error and that I should retsart Windows.

I had to reformat and reinstall because I eventually got an Invalid Page Fault in Kernel32.dll and the computer wouldn't even shutdown normally I had to do a hard shutdown and after that it would not boot up. Couldn't even reinstall windows without using the hard drive installation software that came with it.

It is only happening on the one computer. I thought it may have been the anti virus software but I left it off this last time and still it is acting up.

Right now I am on the ancient P133 machine next to it. I make dinner and do laundry while it loads programs and such. The delinquent computer is sitting over on the other desk dormant right now...but I can hear it snickering if it gets quiet enough.

Should I just send it to Red Green so he can make a planter out of it?

Thanks.

 

[April]

I think you just have an evil, possessed, fucked up computer. Damn thing.


Maybe someone at this BB can help you. It's worth a look.

http://www.sysopt.com/

 

[MidnightAngel]

Have you tried any diagnostics? System information, check for conflicts? Can you boot in safe mode?

If nothing else works, and you can get it to boot, even in safe mode, Norton Systemworks does a good job for me when I can't figure out the problem on my own.

 

[ToddHwrd]

How Much??

Thumper how much ram do you have on the fucked up machine, sorry April just borrowed your description. Give me a few details about your machine and maybe I can come up with some suggestions for you.

Todd

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

Should I just send it to Red Green so he can make a planter out of it?

Thanks.

Maybe a memory chip problem? Memory used to not be as dependable as it is now, but since you are having recurring problems, and it keeps coming back even after reformatting/reinstalling, it might be a hardware problem. If there are any hardware diagnostics that came with it, then run those.

It could also be an interaction between the IE and/or Netscape and something else. Does the problem go away if you run it in safe mode? (Naturally safe mode on my computer doesn't le tme access the net ).

Try also making an install that has nothing but the latest version of IE on it. No other apps except absolutely only that needed to run IE and access the net.

 

[April]

Why only IE? Is it supposed to be more compatible than Netscape?

 

[Thumper]

By the numbers

Processor: AMD Thunderbird 750 MHZ
RAM: 256 Meg
Motherboard: Tyan S2390B
Ran the diagnostics...it said everything was OK
Ran Norton System works when I had it installed it said everything was OK.

It won't even boot up into safe mode after it gets screwed up.

All other programs seem to run OK. Only Netscape and IE fault out.

Thanks for the link April....*MUAH*

STG...I was wondering about a hardware problem but why didn't it show up before? I haven't changed anything since I built it in March.

Thanks folks.

 

[ToddHwrd]

Puzzled

Damn girl I'm stumped, let me ask the IT girl at my work and see if she has any ideas.

It sounds like you built a hell of a machine, it could be something really simple that I'm just not thinking about. IE and Netscape don't rely on windows as much as some other programs but they do suck up the RAM, but it sounds like you have that covered. I'll check around and get back to you tomorrow either on this thread or PM or email, whichever is best for you.

Todd

 

[freakygirl]

try going to www.Microsoft.com and going thru the troubleshooting.


good luck..

 

[registered "^^"]

go to msn site

and download all fixes.

 

[sabbathstorm]

If all else fails, you might try this website:

http://www.pcpitstop.com

I find it's great for little fixes and picks up on things that can be overlooked. It also provides links to fixes/autofixes that are simple to use.

 

[SweetCherry]

Any time mine acts up, I just call Draco and he tells me what to do. I doubt you want to ring New Zeland tho, THumper. Try pm'ing him. He might have some advice. Sorry I can't help.

 

[Weird Harold]

Re: By the numbers

Processor: AMD Thunderbird 750 MHZ
RAM: 256 Meg
Motherboard: Tyan S2390B
...
All other programs seem to run OK. Only Netscape and IE fault out.
...
STG...I was wondering about a hardware problem but why didn't it show up before? I haven't changed anything since I built it in March.

What sort of video card and video memory? Browsers make more extensive use of video memory than other programs. Perhaps a video memory problem that is causing your browsers to branch into forbidden memory which in turn causes disk problems because of unclosed files and crosslinked files?

My daughter just went through two weeks of computer problems that were apparently caused by one bas cluster on her hard drive -- it was apparently iin a spot that needed to be read every time the system booted and caused the system to lock up completely when it couldn't be accessed properly. The problems it caused are not obviously related to disk problems but the disk problem cleared up all of the problems except those created while troubleshooting the system according to "experts" on the programs that got messed up as a result of repeated hard resets.

A (new) hardware problem might be a result of seasonal changes in humidity and temperature. I've noticed a rise in the number of computer complaints on the BB that corresponds pretty closely with how much easier it is to get a static shock from the carpet and car seat. (This year is not much different than other years in that regard, either.) It's much easier to generate static disharge problem in your computer also.

 

[Asendin]

if its a "invalid page fault in memory module 0000xxxxx" etc . its a bad memory module in your system.. bad ram.

 

[Guest]

Thumper, did you do a clean disk reboot at anytime time?

i meant take it down until the hard drive is a clean as if was new again?

and is your systems resorceres going below 70%? windows 98 se is funky sometimies.

it sounds like my computer before i reloaded last time

 

[Guru]

 

[Asendin]

if your going to reinstall do a unconditional format
format c: /u /s this will check for and write bad sectors to the FAT is there are any so you will not be using or writing to any bad sectors on your HD..

 

[April]

So, dear bunny, have you fixed the offending object yet? Or am I gonna have to go over there and kick some computer ass?

 

[Thumper]

OK

This is the message I get:

IEXPLORE caused an invalid page fault in
module <unknown> at 0000:aff7280f.
Registers:
EAX=c1755b50 CS=0167 EIP=aff7280f EFLGS=00010202
EBX=012a8d70 SS=016f ESP=0058b384 EBP=0058b3d0
ECX=0000004c DS=016f ESI=00000001 FS=109f
EDX=0001f3a4 ES=016f EDI=012b3450 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:

I have to do this fast before it goes down again.

WH it has a TNT AGP card with 32 meg of memory.

The only way I can reinstall Win98 is if I format the harddrive with the installation utility from Maxtor. I assume this wipes it clean.

It is not only screwing with the System files it is messing with the registry also.

The sound card is a Soundblaster Live model.

Thinking maybe I should try a cheap PCI video card just to see what happens.

 

[ToddHwrd]

Thumper,
I talked to some friends at work, they agreed with my opinion, it sounds like a problem with your RAM, not that there isn't enough just that maybe one of the SIMMS is bad. If you have any other memory to replace it with you might try that. Good Luck!

ToddH

 

[Asendin]

Re: OK

This is the message I get:

IEXPLORE caused an invalid page fault in
module <unknown> at 0000:aff7280f.

yes its definately ram..

 

[freakygirl]

Thumper


Try this.. maybe it will give you some insight..



http://discussions.virtualdr.com/Forum2/HTML/039547.html


it is one of many threads on this problem on http://www.virtualdr.com/ (they have tons of help here.)

check it out.. post your question if needed. I'm sure you will get the tech help you need.

 

[Weird Harold]

Re: Re: OK

yes its definately ram..

I agree, it does sound like a bad RAM stick.

Many computer repair shops have RAM testers that can verify the integrity of RAM. However, RAM is pretty cheap and you can upgrade the amount of RAM for about the same as it would cost to have a stick replaced and tested.

One common problem with RAM vs Windows problems, is mismatched RAM. If you have more than one stick of RAM in your computer and they are NOT from the same manufacturer and lot number that could be causing your problem even though both sticks are individually OK. Very small difference in tolerance between the two sticks can cause all sorts of weird problems.

 

[April]

*bump*

 

[Thumper]

Muchas Gracias!

It is a single stick of 256 that came with the Mainboard.

I will try a different stick...it is fairly inexpensive now and as I learned from working on cars..try the cheap fixes first.

April..thanks for the bumps....of all kinds.
Freakygirl..thanks for the website.
Todd, Asendin, and WH thanks for the input...*BTW, Todd I'm a guy* But that is OK I get that all the time ya know.

I remember a cute 4 year old that came to the door when I delivered their pizza...She called out at the top of her lungs:

"Hey Mom it's the pizza lady!"

The mother was mortified and I just about died laughing.