oh, here's a huge surprise...

[cloudy]

Minorities searched and jailed more often than whites when pulled over.

But, of course, racial profiling doesn't exist, not here in the "land of the free."

*sigh*

 

[rgraham666]

Quelle surprise.

 

[FatDino]

Now this is a clear case of discrimination against whites. I beg to know who did this research. Hmph.

 

[JamesSD]

Minorities searched and jailed more often than whites when pulled over.

But, of course, racial profiling doesn't exist, not here in the "land of the free."

*sigh*

Yeah, that article definitely set off my "DUH" alert.

 

[TheeGoatPig]

Yes, but like the article says:

Other factors could play a part
Like the 2002 report, this one contained a warning that the racial disparities uncovered “do not constitute proof that police treat people differently along demographic lines” because the differences could be explained by circumstances not analyzed by the survey. The 2002 report said such circumstances might include driver conduct or whether drugs were in plain view.

I'm not taking sides. I'm just saying the information is incomplete.

 

[SeaCat]

Minorities searched and jailed more often than whites when pulled over.

But, of course, racial profiling doesn't exist, not here in the "land of the free."

*sigh*

Cloudy,

While I don't doubt that this happens, (look at where I live and how often it shows up on Cops. ) I would like to see a true breakdown. Here is what I would like to see in the report.

For a one year period.
Total number of contacts.
Constacts broken down as to race and gender.
Location of contacts, including ethnic and crime rate breakdown of location.
Actions taken during contacts. (Also broken down by ethnisity of contact.)

This would tell us a lot.

Let me use myself and a local town as an example. This local town is well known for it's violence and drugs, it is also a largely black and hispanic community. (Riviera Beach if you care to look it up. In the past year it has had more shootings than all of Boston.) The local Police Department is also largely black and/or hispanic. (The neighborhood is often show on Cops.)

I drive through this town on a daily basis as I go to and from work. I have been pulled over I don't know how many times in the past year. My wife and I have been frisked and our vehicle searched more than a dozen times in the past year. (If you haven't noticed I am slightly Melanin Challenged here. I am not black nor am I hispanic.)

I am not pulled over because of my race, I am pulled over because of minor traffic infractions or because of just driving through a very well known area. I have been pulled over because of not using a turn signal, for having a burned out bulb and many times just because of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I have never been charged. (Well okay the one time I was charged was for not having a current Registration Sticker. It had been stolen without my knowing or noticing it. All it took was a letter from the Registry to show my registration was current and charges were dropped.)

Cat

The only times it gets exciting is on the few occasions I am carrying a weapon, and that is always cleared up when they see my permits.

 

[cloudy]

Cat, did you read the article?

It says that minorities and whites are pulled over equally, but that minorities are searched more often, and arrested more often, and these are Bureau of Justice statistics, not some compiled by a news agency, or some partisan source.

Here's an excerpt:

Black, Hispanic and white motorists were equally likely to be pulled over by police — between 8 percent and 9 percent of each group. The slight decline in blacks pulled over — from 9.2 percent in 2002 to 8.1 percent in 2005 — was not statistically significant, Durose said, and could be the result of random differences.

The racial disparities showed up after that point:

• Blacks (9.5 percent) and Hispanics (8.8 percent) were much more likely to be searched than whites (3.6 percent). There were slight but statistically insignificant declines compared with the 2002 report in the percentages of blacks and Hispanics searched.
• Blacks (4.5 percent) were more than twice as likely as whites (2.1 percent) to be arrested. Hispanic drivers were arrested 3.1 percent of the time.
• Among all police-public contacts, force was used 1.6 percent of the time. But blacks (4.4 percent) and Hispanics (2.3 percent) were more likely than whites (1.2 percent) to be subjected to force or the threat of force by police officers.

The article also notes that there may be other factors that aren't taken into account, but those are cold, hard facts. Can't argue with them.

I know your respect for police, Cat. As someone who's seen abuse of the system, and police who lie under oath without blinking an eye, I'm sorry to say I can't share that respect. Yes, there are good cops out there, but not all of them are good, and the ones that are bad ruin it for all of them. That's why there are people like me who don't trust them and would sooner rely on themselves than call a cop for help.

The one time I did ask for help, they did NOTHING but offer me a ride, when my car was maybe 10 feet from them. Forget going after the guy who was threatening me with a gun, but they'll give me a ride, ffs.

No thanks.

 

[SeaCat]

Cat, did you read the article?

It says that minorities and whites are pulled over equally, but that minorities are searched more often, and arrested more often, and these are Bureau of Justice statistics, not some compiled by a news agency, or some partisan source.

Here's an excerpt:

Black, Hispanic and white motorists were equally likely to be pulled over by police — between 8 percent and 9 percent of each group. The slight decline in blacks pulled over — from 9.2 percent in 2002 to 8.1 percent in 2005 — was not statistically significant, Durose said, and could be the result of random differences.

The racial disparities showed up after that point:

• Blacks (9.5 percent) and Hispanics (8.8 percent) were much more likely to be searched than whites (3.6 percent). There were slight but statistically insignificant declines compared with the 2002 report in the percentages of blacks and Hispanics searched.
• Blacks (4.5 percent) were more than twice as likely as whites (2.1 percent) to be arrested. Hispanic drivers were arrested 3.1 percent of the time.
• Among all police-public contacts, force was used 1.6 percent of the time. But blacks (4.4 percent) and Hispanics (2.3 percent) were more likely than whites (1.2 percent) to be subjected to force or the threat of force by police officers.

The article also notes that there may be other factors that aren't taken into account, but those are cold, hard facts. Can't argue with them.

I know your respect for police, Cat. As someone who's seen abuse of the system, and police who lie under oath without blinking an eye, I'm sorry to say I can't share that respect. Yes, there are good cops out there, but not all of them are good, and the ones that are bad ruin it for all of them. That's why there are people like me who don't trust them and would sooner rely on themselves than call a cop for help.

Cloudy,

I understand you stance, truly I do. I see too much to believe in innocence on the side of the Police. (Just look at the number of minorities in the Jails and Prisons as opposed to whites.) Yet there are so many factors involved that are not reported.

I do not live in your neck of the woods. Because of this I can't reliably question the conditions there. I can only report on what I deal with here.

I would love to see the breakdowns, I would also love to see the breakdown on the races of the officers involved.

I can also tell you how I was profiled.

It happens even though it shouldn't. There is no need for profiling. There is no basis for racism other than ignorance, and yet it does happen. It is up to all of us to stop it, to speak out against it.

You know I love you Cloudy and you know I don't disagree with you on this. I just disagree that the minorities are the only ones it happens to. (Try boarding a plane looking as I do now while carrying dive gear. {Send me an E-Mail and I'll send you a recent pic.}) Then agan maybe I am a minority in that I beleive that all are equal regardless of race, gender or sexuality.

Cat

 

[Jubal_Harshaw]

Cat, did you read the article?

It says that minorities and whites are pulled over equally, but that minorities are searched more often, and arrested more often, and these are Bureau of Justice statistics, not some compiled by a news agency, or some partisan source.

Here's an excerpt:

Black, Hispanic and white motorists were equally likely to be pulled over by police — between 8 percent and 9 percent of each group. The slight decline in blacks pulled over — from 9.2 percent in 2002 to 8.1 percent in 2005 — was not statistically significant, Durose said, and could be the result of random differences.

The racial disparities showed up after that point:

• Blacks (9.5 percent) and Hispanics (8.8 percent) were much more likely to be searched than whites (3.6 percent). There were slight but statistically insignificant declines compared with the 2002 report in the percentages of blacks and Hispanics searched.
• Blacks (4.5 percent) were more than twice as likely as whites (2.1 percent) to be arrested. Hispanic drivers were arrested 3.1 percent of the time.
• Among all police-public contacts, force was used 1.6 percent of the time. But blacks (4.4 percent) and Hispanics (2.3 percent) were more likely than whites (1.2 percent) to be subjected to force or the threat of force by police officers.

The article also notes that there may be other factors that aren't taken into account, but those are cold, hard facts. Can't argue with them.

Yes, those are cold hard facts, but not all of them.

I have to ask, how many of them gave the officer a reason to search/arrest/threaten force?

Understand, I am a young black man in a large city. I've been driving for a little over 10 years. I currently drive a red 92 Camaro and I have been pulled over a half dozen times. I have also ridden with friends when they were pulled over. These are my observations, take them for what you want.

Each time I have been pulled over, (3 times in the past year twice for speeding, once for running a stop sign) when the officer reached my window it was down, radio off and I had my licence, registration and insurance card in my hand ready to hand to him. He asked me if I knew how fast I was going I said I did, he wrote me a ticket and i was on the road again in 10 minutes. In the case of the stop sign, I was in a company truck in a neighborhood I was not familiar with and looking for an address and didn't see it. I explained that to the officer, apologized, he warned me to be more careful and I was on my way.

Three months ago I went with a friend and his brother to get some beer. As soon as I got in the car I could smell dope and I could see the roaches in the ashtray. I almost told him I'd pass on the ride. I wish I had.

They decided that beer was better on the south side of town so the next thing I knew we were on the freeway doing 80 and friend's brother was lighting a joint. Five minutes later there's flashing lights behind us. Friends brother starts to step on the gas. I said slow your dumb ass down and pull over 'cause I wasn't about to die in a fucking car chase with a stoned nigga driving. He hesitated but pulled over.

Now he's hiding is dope, spraying strawberry air freshener and his window is still up and stereo giving me a headache from the booming bass. I saw the cop tap on the window but never heard it. The third time the cop knocked on the glass I thought it was going to break. Friend's brother finally rolls down the window and yells "What the fuck do you want?"

Now, I ask you, if you were the cop, what would you do? You just pulled over a car doing 80 in a 65, three black black men inside, the two in front dressed like gang bangers, you smell dope and strawberries, and the driver's first words to you are "What the fuck do you want?"

The officer asks driver to turn down his stereo, and hand over his licence, registration and proof of insurance. Driver says "What the fuck for? I wadn't doin' nothin' to nobody." Officer informs him of his speed and driver says "Bullshit I was doin' 65. You just hasslin' me 'cause I'm black." Officer keys his radio and asks for back up then orders us all out of the car. I opened the back door and got out, the officer tells me to stand in front of his cruiser. My friend and his brother begin arguing with the officer and refuse to get out of the car.

To make a long story shorter than it it could be, friend and brother resisted the cops (two more troopers showed up) for 45 minutes before they were dragged out of the car, handcuffed while pinned to the ground and tossed unceremoniously into the back of 2 seperate cruisers. Meanwhile one officer questioned me at the back of the car, I told him my situation and he offered to call me a cab.

Friend and brother are now in jail for possession, resisting arrest and brother for assaulting a police officer.

Can anyone see the difference here?

I've gotten to the point where even I hate blacks and I am one. Most of the guys I went to school with feel they don't have to obey the cops because if they do they're just going to get busted anyway. So they try to run and when they get caught they try to resist. God help the cop if he pulls them over in a black neighborhood because every fucking house will emty out and there will be 50 people hassling the cop. Doesn't matter if the cop is in the right, he has no business hassling a black man.

Look, I've seen it from both sides and from my experience the blacks that get searched, arrested and or beaten up asked for it and got it.

 

[CeriseNoire]

Yes, those are cold hard facts, but not all of them.

I have to ask, how many of them gave the officer a reason to search/arrest/threaten force?

Understand, I am a young black man in a large city. I've been driving for a little over 10 years. I currently drive a red 92 Camaro and I have been pulled over a half dozen times. I have also ridden with friends when they were pulled over. These are my observations, take them for what you want.

Each time I have been pulled over, (3 times in the past year twice for speeding, once for running a stop sign) when the officer reached my window it was down, radio off and I had my licence, registration and insurance card in my hand ready to hand to him. He asked me if I knew how fast I was going I said I did, he wrote me a ticket and i was on the road again in 10 minutes. In the case of the stop sign, I was in a company truck in a neighborhood I was not familiar with and looking for an address and didn't see it. I explained that to the officer, apologized, he warned me to be more careful and I was on my way.

Three months ago I went with a friend and his brother to get some beer. As soon as I got in the car I could smell dope and I could see the roaches in the ashtray. I almost told him I'd pass on the ride. I wish I had.

They decided that beer was better on the south side of town so the next thing I knew we were on the freeway doing 80 and friend's brother was lighting a joint. Five minutes later there's flashing lights behind us. Friends brother starts to step on the gas. I said slow your dumb ass down and pull over 'cause I wasn't about to die in a fucking car chase with a stoned nigga driving. He hesitated but pulled over.

Now he's hiding is dope, spraying strawberry air freshener and his window is still up and stereo giving me a headache from the booming bass. I saw the cop tap on the window but never heard it. The third time the cop knocked on the glass I thought it was going to break. Friend's brother finally rolls down the window and yells "What the fuck do you want?"

Now, I ask you, if you were the cop, what would you do? You just pulled over a car doing 80 in a 65, three black black men inside, the two in front dressed like gang bangers, you smell dope and strawberries, and the driver's first words to you are "What the fuck do you want?"

The officer asks driver to turn down his stereo, and hand over his licence, registration and proof of insurance. Driver says "What the fuck for? I wadn't doin' nothin' to nobody." Officer informs him of his speed and driver says "Bullshit I was doin' 65. You just hasslin' me 'cause I'm black." Officer keys his radio and asks for back up then orders us all out of the car. I opened the back door and got out, the officer tells me to stand in front of his cruiser. My friend and his brother begin arguing with the officer and refuse to get out of the car.

To make a long story shorter than it it could be, friend and brother resisted the cops (two more troopers showed up) for 45 minutes before they were dragged out of the car, handcuffed while pinned to the ground and tossed unceremoniously into the back of 2 seperate cruisers. Meanwhile one officer questioned me at the back of the car, I told him my situation and he offered to call me a cab.

Friend and brother are now in jail for possession, resisting arrest and brother for assaulting a police officer.

Can anyone see the difference here?

I've gotten to the point where even I hate blacks and I am one. Most of the guys I went to school with feel they don't have to obey the cops because if they do they're just going to get busted anyway. So they try to run and when they get caught they try to resist. God help the cop if he pulls them over in a black neighborhood because every fucking house will emty out and there will be 50 people hassling the cop. Doesn't matter if the cop is in the right, he has no business hassling a black man.

Look, I've seen it from both sides and from my experience the blacks that get searched, arrested and or beaten up asked for it and got it.

*takes a deep breath*

Maybe you need new friends. I know it's easy to put everyone in the same bag since it requires much less critical thinking than recognizing individual variations and other factors such as area, social class, etc.

I could mention the several other people who react poorly to the police, or that living surrounded by a particular group means all the negatives you'll see are likely to belong to that group (basic probabilities and all). But I guess you wouldn't care to hear it from one of those blacks you hate.

 

[Jubal_Harshaw]

*takes a deep breath*

Maybe you need new friends. I know it's easy to put everyone in the same bag since it requires much less critical thinking than recognizing individual variations and other factors such as area, social class, etc.

I could mention the several other people who react poorly to the police, or that living surrounded by a particular group means all the negatives you'll see are likely to belong to that group (basic probabilities and all). But I guess you wouldn't care to hear it from one of those blacks you hate.

ROFLMFAO!!!

You completely missed my point, didn't you?

 

[CharleyH]

Minorities searched and jailed more often than whites when pulled over.

But, of course, racial profiling doesn't exist, not here in the "land of the free."

*sigh*

Well, the US Constitution says your free, even as an Indian. LOL

 

[CeriseNoire]

ROFLMFAO!!!

You completely missed my point, didn't you?

Must have. Guess I'm not quite as enlightened as you