Offensive is as offensive does

[Senor_Smut]

Back when I was first posting on this site, I asked a question about which category a story idea I had would fall into. I was told that you always put the story into the category the most people would find offensive, with Incest being the most offensive and Non-Consent being the second-most.

Lately I've been kicking around the idea of a woman being blackmailed into cheating on her husband. Based on what I was told back then, that story would go into Non-Consent. However, since a vocal section of the commenting class regards a woman having even a consenting affair to be a crime a trillion times worse than the Holocaust, would that belong in Loving Wives instead? And if so, if I ever write it, I am turning off Comments.

 

[filthytrancendence]

If you find it amusing to bait LW people into bombing your score, go nuts. Not sure what that accomplishes, though. And if bait is really your intent, why turn off comments? Eliciting insane nonsense in the comments is basically the only value the entire category has.

Seems to me NC/R would do better and be a lot more likely to find an audience that would appreciate it.

 

[Senor_Smut]

If you find it amusing to bait LW people into bombing your score, go nuts. Not sure what that accomplishes, though. And if bait is really your intent, why turn off comments? Eliciting insane nonsense in the comments is basically the only value the entire category has.

Seems to me NC/R would do better and be a lot more likely to find an audience that would appreciate it.

The question was posted half-jokingly, but there was still a bit of uncertainty in my mind about whether LW was considered the most offensive category based on the vitriol it inevitably inspires.

 

[TheLobster]

And if so, if I ever write it, I am turning off Comments.

Why? Isn’t the oneupmanship of trying to get the most vitriolic comment the whole point of posting in LW?

 

[pink_silk_glove]

And if so, if I ever write it, I am turning off Comments.

If one of the main goals of the story is to be offensive, then the whole point is to get that reaction from the audience, so why would you turn off the comments?

 

[Actingup]

Back when I was first posting on this site, I asked a question about which category a story idea I had would fall into. I was told that you always put the story into the category the most people would find offensive, with Incest being the most offensive and Non-Consent being the second-most.

Lately I've been kicking around the idea of a woman being blackmailed into cheating on her husband. Based on what I was told back then, that story would go into Non-Consent. However, since a vocal section of the commenting class regards a woman having even a consenting affair to be a crime a trillion times worse than the Holocaust, would that belong in Loving Wives instead? And if so, if I ever write it, I am turning off Comments.

I don't accept the premise of the advice given. You're primarily writing for the pleasure of yourself and your readers, right? You can be a one-monkey outrage machine, but that's elementary level. As you've already demonstrated, you've got higher level skills. Use them for the good of all primates. If you put a consensual affair in Loving Wives and write it well, leave the comments on and glory in the praise that arrives amongst the vitoriol.

 

[Bamagan]

Back when I was first posting on this site, I asked a question about which category a story idea I had would fall into. I was told that you always put the story into the category the most people would find offensive, with Incest being the most offensive and Non-Consent being the second-most.

Lately I've been kicking around the idea of a woman being blackmailed into cheating on her husband. Based on what I was told back then, that story would go into Non-Consent. However, since a vocal section of the commenting class regards a woman having even a consenting affair to be a crime a trillion times worse than the Holocaust, would that belong in Loving Wives instead? And if so, if I ever write it, I am turning off Comments.

The advice you are referencing was probably predicated on placing a story where it will generate the minimum amount of outrage for its content, or looked at from another angle, be most likely to reach an audience that appreciates erotica that skews from typical social norms in particular ways. Including any so-called 'questionable content' tends to attract hateful commentary, although the volume of it in LW is exceptional. If your intent is to enrage those voters/readers, you are likely to succeed whether or not you allow them a venue to express their contempt. Unlike those above, I do advocate turning off the comments, but that's my normal M.O. regardless, so I'm biased.

All that being said, the blackmail element suggests that the best category fit is NC/R, unless perhaps it's a singular event that the wife enjoys so much it prompts repeated or habitual infidelity afterwards, and most of the story is about such subsequent shenanigans. If you're seeking your most appreciative audience, NC/R is probably where you'll find it.

 

[SimonDoom]

I don't understand either the premise or the question. I've been around here for well over 8 years and I've never seen the advice that one should post in the most offensive category. That seems daft to me. Offensive is a matter of taste. Post the story where it fits best with the subject matter. In this case, it sounds like a nonconsent story.

Also, why would one turn off comments? You can always delete the bad ones. If you turn them off you get none. I don't understand that.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

I find it a bit troubling that people would find I/T more offensive than NC.

Would you seriously propose that it's worse for a guy to have consensual sex with his sister than to rape the girl next door?

I'm not advocating for the first but the second is clearly worse.

To each her own and all but... yikes.

 

[TheLobster]

Would you seriously propose that it's worse for a guy to have consensual sex with his sister than to rape the girl next door?

You are comparing the most benign example of the former with one of the most abhorrent examples of the latter.

In more nuanced cases, I/T and NC are very obviously more comparable because both involve varying degrees of abuse of power dynamics.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

You are comparing the most benign example of the former with one of the most abhorrent examples of the latter.

In more nuanced cases, I/T and NC are very obviously more comparable because both involve varying degrees of abuse of power dynamics.

So, there are benign cases of "nonconsent"? Do tell.

Please provide us one of these "nuanced examples".

 

[TheLobster]

So, there are benign cases of "nonconsent"? Do tell.

I honestly didn't anticipate that you would stoop to this kind of sophistry, with such obvious and trite word games. Alas, I was wrong.

If these are the cheap shots I can expect from you, then please do kindly fuck off.

 

[filthytrancendence]

but there was still a bit of uncertainty in my mind about whether LW was considered the most offensive category based on the vitriol it inevitably inspires.

Seems to me you're conflating offensive and offended. And probably don't do that, on account of two of the offensive things you're alluding to are non-consensual sex and incest.

LW readers getting offended specifically at women doing adultery is a reflection of their sub-childlike ethical capacity. Not a reflection of adultery being more offensive than rape. And even if the prevailing opinion were that adultery was more offensive than rape, then the prevailing opinion would simply be wrong.

 

[AwkwardMD]

I don't understand either the premise or the question. I've been around here for well over 8 years and I've never seen the advice that one should post in the most offensive category. That seems daft to me. Offensive is a matter of taste. Post the story where it fits best with the subject matter. In this case, it sounds like a nonconsent story.

Also, why would one turn off comments? You can always delete the bad ones. If you turn them off you get none. I don't understand that.

 

[StillStunned]

So, there are benign cases of "nonconsent"? Do tell.

Please provide us one of these "nuanced examples".

Don't forget that the category is actually called "NonConsent/Reluctance".

Ben's Big Mistake is based on reluctance, not non-consent.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

I honestly didn't anticipate that you would stoop to this kind of sophistry, with such obvious and trite word games. Alas, I was wrong.

If these are the cheap shots I can expect from you, then please do kindly fuck off.

So, you won't answer the question but instead resort to cheap personal attacks.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Don't forget that the category is actually called "NonConsent/Reluctance".

Ben's Big Mistake is based on reluctance, not non-consent.

True, but there is also the "taboo" part of I/T that no one really talks about.
I think it's reasonable to say that most people focus on the first part of both categories.

 

[Gamblnluck]

True, but there is also the "taboo" part of I/T that no one really talks about.

I think that the taboo was added originally because whoever named the categories personally thought incest as being 'taboo'. Even more than the other categories.
LW, as a category name, is almost tongue in cheek. There are very few stories where the wife is truly 'loving' their husband.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

I think that the taboo was added originally because whoever named the categories personally thought incest as being 'taboo'. Even more than the other categories.
LW, as a category name, is almost tongue in cheek. There are very few stories where the wife is truly 'loving' their husband.

Well, she's loving someone....

 

[Areala-chan]

I think that the taboo was added originally because whoever named the categories personally thought incest as being 'taboo'. Even more than the other categories.
LW, as a category name, is almost tongue in cheek. There are very few stories where the wife is truly 'loving' their husband.

Like almost everything else over time, some Lit categories have evolved to be entities which were not expected or anticipated at the time.

When I showed up here some twenty-odd years ago, there was a category for "Extreme", which dealt with stories that went further and harder than even categories like NC/R would accept. I'm not sure when it went away, but it and all the stories associated with it poofed out of existence sometime between 2003 and 2013.

Loving Wives went from having more of a 'swingers lifestyle' bent to the two warring camps that inhabit it today over a similar period of time. It's just the way of things.

 

[Senor_Smut]

Seems to me you're conflating offensive and offended. And probably don't do that, on account of two of the offensive things you're alluding to are non-consensual sex and incest.

LW readers getting offended specifically at women doing adultery is a reflection of their sub-childlike ethical capacity. Not a reflection of adultery being more offensive than rape. And even if the prevailing opinion were that adultery was more offensive than rape, then the prevailing opinion would simply be wrong.

I don't remember the precise wording of the answer(s) I was given, but it was clearly conveyed that Incest was the "touchiest" category that trumped all others -- if there was incest of any kind, the story went into Incest, even if it was nonconsensual. If there was no incest content, then NC was the category that trumped the rest. I confess that I have barely more than poked my nose into LW, but hanging around here, one gets the sense that the level of outrage the category provokes is beyond ludicrous.

 

[SimonDoom]

Like almost everything else over time, some Lit categories have evolved to be entities which were not expected or anticipated at the time.

When I showed up here some twenty-odd years ago, there was a category for "Extreme", which dealt with stories that went further and harder than even categories like NC/R would accept. I'm not sure when it went away, but it and all the stories associated with it poofed out of existence sometime between 2003 and 2013.

I completely forgot about that. I recall, years ago, reading what was basically a "snuff" story at Literotica, about a woman who becomes a serial killer. It was chilling and creepy, but rather well written. I think it disappeared from the site some time ago, and that must be why.

I think this is one of the sources of confusion over content standards at this site. They've changed over time, generally getting stricter, mirroring what's happened on the Internet generally since 2000. I don't get the sense that the changes are motivated by any zeal on the part of the site owners, but on the contrary that they're trying to be prudent in an evolving moral/political/legal landscape.

 

[filthytrancendence]

one gets the sense that the level of outrage the category provokes is beyond ludicrous.

Indeed. Misogyny wrapped in extremely shallow moralism.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Like almost everything else over time, some Lit categories have evolved to be entities which were not expected or anticipated at the time.

When I showed up here some twenty-odd years ago, there was a category for "Extreme", which dealt with stories that went further and harder than even categories like NC/R would accept. I'm not sure when it went away, but it and all the stories associated with it poofed out of existence sometime between 2003 and 2013.

Loving Wives went from having more of a 'swingers lifestyle' bent to the two warring camps that inhabit it today over a similar period of time. It's just the way of things.

It might be interesting to chart the shift in LW.
I can see there being an audience for a "swingers" category that leaves out cheating. Much like threads in the AH categories seem to take on a life of their own.

 

[FrancesScott]

So, you won't answer the question but instead resort to cheap personal attacks.

I find that men’s perspective on matters of sexual assault (τὴν σκάφην σκάφην λέγοντας) is always so valuable.