Of course the Arabs don't want to kill

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all the Israelis.

From the Daily Telegraph, Thursday 9 May 2002.


The paper on sale in London that wants all Jews killed
By Alan Judd
(Filed: 09/05/2002)


"THEY are accursed in heaven and on earth a catastrophe for the human race They are the virus of the generation they are the plague of the generation and the bacterium of all time Their history was and always will be stained with treachery, falseness and lying they are a model of debasement and degradation."

'They", of course, are the Jews, perhaps the only people whom we almost routinely recognise through the excoriating language of their enemies. But these quotations are not from Nazi propaganda, long defunct. They are from a newspaper on sale in Britain today, a country in which incitement to racial hatred is supposedly illegal.

But perhaps the law is not applied where the victims are merely the usual suspects, the perpetrators foreign, the language difficult and the Government - for good reasons and bad - reluctant to offend Middle Eastern sensibilities any further.

The newspaper concerned is al-Akhbar, the Egyptian government daily, not merely a vehicle of Palestinian propaganda or Saudi religious bile. Just about all major Middle Eastern newspapers may be found on the streets of London - probably more, in fact, than in any Middle Eastern capital - and many regularly publish this sort of thing, and worse.

Similarly, Arab radio and television stations regularly broadcast diatribes against the hated Jew. Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister, is depicted as Dracula drinking Arab blood and "martyrs" are urged to donate their lives to the intifada, as they are continuing to do in such outrages as that at Rishon LeZion.

The chairman of the Arab Psychiatrists Association, and head of psychiatry at a Cairo university, assures readers and viewers that "there are no Israeli civilians", that co-existence is impossible and that the only effective way of getting rid of Jewish Israelis is for "pure, noble Palestinian bodies" to blow themselves up.

He is almost persuasive: "When the martyr dies a martyr's death, he attains the height of bliss. As a professional psychiatrist, I can say that the height of bliss comes with the end of the countdown: ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one. And then, you press the button to blow yourself up. When the martyr reaches 'one', and then 'boom', he explodes and senses himself flying . . . It is a transition to another, more beautiful world . . . within seconds, he will see the light of the Creator."

There is more, much more, broadcast daily to millions of willing and credulous people already convinced they are the victims of injustice and racial insult. Reading it leaves you feeling depressed and contaminated, as after exposure to the distortions and ravings of Nazi propaganda.

And if you thought, as I did, that the latter was safely buried in history, then think again. The al-Akhbar columnist continued: "With regard to the fraud of the Holocaust . . . Many French studies have proved that this is no more than a fabrication, a lie, and a fraud!" He ends by addressing Hitler: "If only you had done it, Brother, if only it had really happened, so that the world could sigh in relief without their [the Jews'] evil and sin."

This goes beyond politics, beyond the rights and wrongs of the present tragic mess in Israel and Palestine. It is not a question of who is to blame for what in the current mutual suffering. This is race-hate at its purest, the denial of the other's right to exist. It may be that, by stoking hysteria in their peoples, normally pragmatic Arab leaders are making it not only more difficult for any peace process to work but perhaps - at least for the lifetime of anyone now living - impossible.

Until recent years, anti-Semitism was not thought of as a significant or permanent factor in the Arab world. Such anti-Semitism as existed was attributed to contemporary conflicts with Israel and it was generally accepted that Jews in earlier centuries lived better under Islam than under Christian governments. Whether or not this was actually true, the Arabs, so far from denying the reality of the Holocaust, used it to argue that Palestinians could not be expected to accept the imposition of Israel so that Europe could assuage its Holocaust guilt.

It is impossible to say how deep-rooted modern Arab anti-Semitism is, whether it has been created by Israeli behaviour or whether it always existed, but is only now permitted such lurid expression. The danger is that those who encourage or permit it may have unleashed a force that is already beyond their future control, and spreads beyond their borders.

The increase in anti-Semitic acts on the Continent (already running at 300 a year in Marseilles alone, where it is likely that some of Jean-Marie Le Pen's supporters have been encouraged to take action) shows how the expression of something can bring into being the thing itself. The anti-Semitic mania that flourished in Germany during the 1930s was latent in European cultural soil, but many who participated might never have permitted it to flower in themselves without a climate that encouraged expression. That is what is happening in the Middle East - and beyond.

On the face of it, this might seem an argument to support the EU proposal to make it a criminal offence to deny the Holocaust. But that would be a mistake. We have adequate law on incitement, if we care to apply it, and denying people the freedom to be wrong would create a second evil without removing the first. Writing history into statute would render the law absurd and pernicious.

Nearly two years ago, at Camp David, Yasser Arafat walked away from the best deal that any realistic Palestinian or Israeli could hope for, and started the current intifada. Reportedly, he either miscalculated - a failure of judgment - or he couldn't persuade his extremists - a failure of leadership.

Since then, of course, attitudes on both sides have further hardened and it may be that neither could now get back to the point it was once prepared to rest at. Meanwhile, clouds of popular anti-Semitism billow from the Middle East and wisps and pockets may be found on our own streets. If only you had done it, Brother Arafat, if only you had done the deal.
 
bluespoke said:

Nearly two years ago, at Camp David, Yasser Arafat walked away from the best deal that any realistic Palestinian or Israeli could hope for.....


Aaahhhh! No please!

Not the dreaded Camp David bogeyman again....

Ahhhh!

ppman
 
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p_p_man said:



Aaahhhh! No please!

Not the dreaded Camp David bogeyman again....

Ahhhh!

ppman


The article asserts that the only way to deal with the Jews is to blow them all up.

It denies the holocaust.

It says coexistance is impossible.

And you pick up on the fucking Camp David Agreement!

Words fail me!
 
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p_p_man said:


Good. It's about bloody time...

:p


As soon as I typed the bloody words I knew what was going to happen.

Where is SINthysist when you need him!:D
 
Y'see...

You've always gotta watch your back.

He who lets his guard down gets Kermited...

:D
 
Cheyenne said:
Uh oh. CH won't be happy with you, bluespoke!


Not happy, why?

I posted an article from the Telegraph. I didn't say I believed it. I didn't say I disbelieved it.

I'd be happy to see comments from anyone.
 
bluespoke said:

Not happy, why?

Because he is tired of being "demonized."

Only Palestinian propoganda allowed here, you know.

(p.s. In my mind, CH is American. As I told him. And no, that is not the same as being a demon.)
 
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bluespoke said:
The chairman of the Arab Psychiatrists Association, and head of psychiatry at a Cairo university, assures readers and viewers that "there are no Israeli civilians", that co-existence is impossible and that the only effective way of getting rid of Jewish Israelis is for "pure, noble Palestinian bodies" to blow themselves up.

Yeah bad, bad people those Arabs...

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist." -- Golda Meir Statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." -- Golda Meir (quoted in Chapter 13 of The Zionist Connection II: What Price Peace by Alfred Lilienthal )

"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel (Israel).... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours ... When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do will be to scurry around like drugged roaches in a bottle." -- Israeli Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan (Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 4/13/83, NYTimes 4/14/83)

"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." --Rabbi Ya'acov Perin in his eulogy at the funeral of mass murderer Dr. Baruch Goldstein (Cited in the New York Times, 02/28/1994.)

"In our country there is room only for the Jews. We shall say to the Arabs: Get out! If they don't agree, if they resist, we shall drive them out by force."
--Professor Ben-Zion Dinur Israel's First Minister of Education, 1954 from History of the Haganah

"After the Palmach men left [Deir Yassin], the men of the [Irgun and Stern Gang] started a shameful massacre of the inhabitants...[The massacre] was carried out...when the village was in Jewish hands, and without the inhabitants having taken any provocative action..." Meir Pa'il, official Haganah observer on the scene, Yediot Ahranot, April 29, 1972)

"All of the killed, with very few exceptions, were old men, women or children. The dead we found were all unjust victims, and none of them had died with a weapon in their hands." --Eliyahu Arieli, Haganah member who arrived at Deir Yassin shortly after the massacre, O Jerusalem, Collins and Lapierre, 1972.

"There is no doubt that many sexual atrocities were committed by the attacking Jews. Many young girls were raped and later slaughtered. Old women were also molested." General Richard Catling, British Army Assistant Inspector after interrogating several female survivors (The Palestinian Catastrophe, Michael Palumbo, 1987)

ppman
 
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p_p_man said:


Yeah bad, bad people those Arabs...

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist." -- Golda Meir Statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." -- Golda Meir (quoted in Chapter 13 of The Zionist Connection II: What Price Peace by Alfred Lilienthal )

"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel (Israel).... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours ... When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do will be to scurry around like drugged roaches in a bottle." -- Israeli Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan (Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 4/13/83, NYTimes 4/14/83)

"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." --Rabbi Ya'acov Perin in his eulogy at the funeral of mass murderer Dr. Baruch Goldstein (Cited in the New York Times, 02/28/1994.)

"In our country there is room only for the Jews. We shall say to the Arabs: Get out! If they don't agree, if they resist, we shall drive them out by force."
--Professor Ben-Zion Dinur Israel's First Minister of Education, 1954 from History of the Haganah

"After the Palmach men left [Deir Yassin], the men of the [Irgun and Stern Gang] started a shameful massacre of the inhabitants...[The massacre] was carried out...when the village was in Jewish hands, and without the inhabitants having taken any provocative action..." Meir Pa'il, official Haganah observer on the scene, Yediot Ahranot, April 29, 1972)

"All of the killed, with very few exceptions, were old men, women or children. The dead we found were all unjust victims, and none of them had died with a weapon in their hands." --Eliyahu Arieli, Haganah member who arrived at Deir Yassin shortly after the massacre, O Jerusalem, Collins and Lapierre, 1972.

"There is no doubt that many sexual atrocities were committed by the attacking Jews. Many young girls were raped and later slaughtered. Old women were also molested." General Richard Catling, British Army Assistant Inspector after interrogating several female survivors (The Palestinian Catastrophe, Michael Palumbo, 1987)

ppman


So the sum total of your argument is that two or more wrongs make a right?

That's if you consider a list of isolated quotes to be an argument against a complete article.

Everyone knows there have been attrocities on both sides. Part of this article proposes what you have always argued against, that the Arabs want to destroy Israel.

It suggests that the Holocaust was a fraud. Further it wishes Hitler had done the job properly!

This is from a paper freely available on the streets of your city (well Queensway anyway).
 
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bluespoke said:



So the sum total of your argument is that two or more wrongs make a right?

That's if you consider a list of isolated quotes to be an argument against a complete article.

Everyone knows there have been attrocities on both sides. Part of this article proposes what you have always argued against, that the Arabs want to destroy Israel.

It suggests that the Holocaust was a fraud. Further it wishes Hitler had done the job properly!

This is from a paper freely available on the streets of your city (well Queensway anyway).

And the Edgware Road :p

No I was just replying to the quote by that nut case of a psychiatrist not to the whole article.

I went into the al-Akhbar web-site (it's on my list of 'must reads' ) :D but I couldn't find the article and without a date nothing was coming up.

Even when I used "nut case of a psychiatrist" as my search criteria...

:D
 
Not all arabs are terrorists.
Not all terrorists are arabs.
Not all jews are butchers.
Not all butchers are jews.

Every last one of ya'll is neglecting one important piece of information.

Only a few people are making war with each other. Most of the Palestinian populace just wants to live in peace. Most of the Jewish populace just wants to live in peace. The problem is that they want to do it in the same place. Most of them are not inclined to blow each other up over it, though. Most people prefer negotiations. The people in power aren't that sanguine.

It does no good to automatically assume that all or even most Palestinians are terrorists or bent that way or that all or even most Jews are genocidal Zionists.

Believe it or not, there are a lot of people over there who are decent human beings on both sides.
 
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p_p_man said:


And the Edgware Road :p

No I was just replying to the quote by that nut case of a psychiatrist not to the whole article.

I went into the al-Akhbar web-site (it's on my list of 'must reads' ) :D but I couldn't find the article and without a date nothing was coming up.

Even when I used "nut case of a psychiatrist" as my search criteria...

:D

That makes two of us. I just spent the last half hour trying to find the damn thing. Whatever we think of the Telegraph, I don't think they made it up :)eek: ) but without the whole article you could have problems with context.



KM I accept every single word you say.

The fact remains, however, that there are enough people on both sides who don't want peace without the total destruction of the other side.

Unfortunately these are the people with the power.
 
I agree with p_p_ too! LOL

The PLO and Arafat are, and have been, for some time now, nothing more than noisy little pawns in larger games of power.

Which side you pick and the allies you in effect keep, to me, say a lot about who and what you are...
 
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