Obama's First Prime Time as Prez...

[DesertPirate]

I guess we'll have to shut down the armed forces, the justice system, the CIA, the FBI, all the state and city police departments and the fire departments then and hand them over to the private sector.

Since government can never do anything right and business can never do anything wrong.

Oh. And you still haven't offered a different timeline for what matters the Bush National Security Council talked about. Nor my question about whether you oppose clean drinking water for Americans.

Since when are those considered businesses?
Of course Social Security and Social Services are a complete cluster fuck too!

Try again Rob.

 

[rgraham666]

But isn't your central thesis that government is the problem?

 

[DesertPirate]

But isn't your central thesis that government is the problem?

The Thundering Herd of Dumbass needs to be replace, completely. They are all either worthless or corrupt as proven by the failure to find anyone in Washington clean enough to complete the Cabinet.

Change will occur in the Capitol building no matter what the White House desires. Right now I see little difference than 2 years ago. The Dems think a fix is to throw money at it.

If anyone thinks a single member of the House or Senate actually read the 1100+ pages of the "Spendulous" bill before voting yesterday they are fools. The people paid to work for the voters just voted the party line and who knows what was actually in it!

 

[jeninflorida]

Social health care is great for the common cold, but if one has cancer or needs surgery your sol. At one of the communities we live in we have several Canadian and British residences that spend six months a year in Florida. The come to the states for health care that they are unable to receive in their home country. Now, I don’t have firsthand experience just by what these fifteen couples say. By no means am I defending our health care system, like any it has its strength and lots of weaknesses. Secondly I will admit that we have great insurance and that makes me very bias on keeping our system vs a social health care system.

also the free market is the best system in the world (one where the market sets price not government and especially unions)

Well, living in Canada, I'm quite fond of our public healthcare.

And if you want to go the 'efficient' route ours is more efficient. We spend less money and our health indicators are better than the U.S.

The problem is that every one enters these debates with a particular a priori pair of assumptions. These assumptions are either 'Business is good and government is bad' or 'Business is bad and government is good'.

But business and government are just tools and tools have no ethical component. They are neither good nor bad. They can only be used for the purposes the users decide they can be used for. That can be good or bad.

It's a poor workman that blames his tools.

And as long as we're dragging out old quotes. Ahem. "Gentlemen of the same trade never meet, even if for merriment and diversion, but it ends in a conspiracy against the public." - Adam Smith. Yes, that Adam Smith

 

[jeninflorida]

I will agree with that, goverment for the most part is the problem.

Damn cloudy, I should hire you to be my editor….I know that you will catch every mistake that I make and the end result would be one kick butt story

But isn't your central thesis that government is the problem?

 

[dr_mabeuse]

If you've never been without job-provided health insurance, then you really don't know anything about what American health care is like.

A friend of mine is self-employed and suffers from depression. She can't get private health care for less than $1000/month, which is about 25% of her yearly income. Where's the free market that's supposed to be helping her?

All that Obama is proposing is you keep your present insurance, but the insurer gets paid by the government. That's all. Government is not going to be providing health care. Givernment is not going to be reviewing your case. Government is going to be footing the bill.

This allows everyone to be insured and takes the expense of providing employee health, which is sinking so many companies, off the corporation's back, allowing them to expand and provide more jobs.

If we can find half a trillion dollars to pour down that sinkhole of Iraq, we can certainly pay for health care for our citizens.

 

[jeninflorida]

I openly admit that I'm very bias and we're very lucky.

Health care is freaking expensive and the system as a whole is broken. I had a friend spend one night in the hospital (12 hour stay – with 3 hours sitting in the hallway) and the bill so far is a little over $4,000. That is nuts!

In a way we need Bill Gates to take over health care, look at the cost of computers over the years. What did the first IBM PC cost? I do remember the one of the first hard drives (10MB) when it came out was around $10,000.
Today one can purchase a laptop for under $500.

If you've never been without job-provided health insurance, then you really don't know anything about what American health care is like.

A friend of mine is self-employed and suffers from depression. She can't get private health care for less than $1000/month, which is about 25% of her yearly income. Where's the free market that's supposed to be helping her?

All that Obama is proposing is you keep your present insurance, but the insurer gets paid by the government. That's all. Government is not going to be providing health care. Givernment is not going to be reviewing your case. Government is going to be footing the bill.

This allows everyone to be insured and takes the expense of providing employee health, which is sinking so many companies, off the corporation's back, allowing them to expand and provide more jobs.

If we can find half a trillion dollars to pour down that sinkhole of Iraq, we can certainly pay for health care for our citizens.

 

[jeninflorida]

Iraq is an interesting cluster f..k, what intelligence did we have? How much was driven by ego and vengeance from W? Wonder how much of the “truth” will be released in the next 20 years?

Sad thing is that the wrong Bush ran for office.

If you've never been without job-provided health insurance, then you really don't know anything about what American health care is like.

A friend of mine is self-employed and suffers from depression. She can't get private health care for less than $1000/month, which is about 25% of her yearly income. Where's the free market that's supposed to be helping her?

All that Obama is proposing is you keep your present insurance, but the insurer gets paid by the government. That's all. Government is not going to be providing health care. Givernment is not going to be reviewing your case. Government is going to be footing the bill.

This allows everyone to be insured and takes the expense of providing employee health, which is sinking so many companies, off the corporation's back, allowing them to expand and provide more jobs.

If we can find half a trillion dollars to pour down that sinkhole of Iraq, we can certainly pay for health care for our citizens.