Obamacare = lower premiums, better quality of care, and lower healthcare costs

[miles]

You heard it here first! A new era is upon us.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Yuh gotta respect the generous attitudes of all the millions whove opted out so there will be plenty of ObamaCare for us mortals.

 

[miles]

Yuh gotta respect the generous attitudes of all the millions whove opted out so there will be plenty of ObamaCare for us mortals.

Just wait...they'll be beating the doors down wanting to join. There could even be violence.

 

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[4est_4est_Gump]

You have to love it when HHS touts its own report...


http://reason.com/blog/2013/09/25/the-dodgy-new-hhs-report-on-obamacare-pr

 

[tactful]

For some (not a golf saying).

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Just wait...they'll be beating the doors down wanting to join. There could even be violence.

Worse! Tax audits. Cuz ObamaCare is worth more than gold.

 

[unregistered]

 

[RobDownSouth]

You have to love it when HHS touts its own report...


http://reason.com/blog/2013/09/25/the-dodgy-new-hhs-report-on-obamacare-pr

Who should tout it then?

Murican Thinker?

National Review Online?

Drudge?

Hmmmm?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

And it's a bunch of cherry picked BS.

Yep. And even with cherry-picking, it is more expensive so the advocates resort to that twisted logic I last saw employed by Jenn14:

But “lower than expected” is, of course, not the same as lower than they are currently. That’s not the comparison the administration wants to make. "Because of the Affordable Care Act, the health insurance that people will be buying will actually cover them in the case of them getting sick. It doesn't make sense to compare just the number the person was paying, you have to compare the value people are getting," HHS official Cohen told the Journal.

In short, you cannot use real numbers and math, you have to be able to divine a value that transcends cost to you, because someone else will gain a benefit.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Let me guess.

Throb, out of all the posts and posters in this thread, I got the honor of your first personal attack.



I live in your head rent-free.

Own it.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yep. And even with cherry-picking, it is more expensive so the advocates resort to that twisted logic I last saw employed by Jenn14:



In short, you cannot use real numbers and math, you have to be able to divine a value that transcends cost to you, because someone else will gain a benefit.

Vetteman spent all day yesterday attempting to compare the cost of one of those existing little-coverage McInsurance plans to the comprehensive coverage coverage mandated by Obamacare. He failed miserably, we all had a good time.

You simply cannot argue the cost of yesterday's inferior coverage vs. today's better coverage. Well....YOU could, but it's dishonest.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Rent-fucking free...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Politico too biased???

What about everyone else? As a Politico piece on the release notes, “the report doesn’t actually reveal very much about what most people will pay.” Instead, it “gives lots of examples of the kinds of people who will get good prices — but everyone else will remain in the dark until at least next Tuesday, when Obamacare is supposed to open its doors.”

Nor did the administration want reporters digging too much into the data before writing stories today. “The report was issued to news organizations on Tuesday under a strict embargo, with specific instructions not to share the information with anyone else, like outside health insurance experts who might be able to provide more analysis of the numbers," Politico reports.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Fewer uninsured.
More coverage for existing policies.
Lower policy prices.

.....and they're still complaining.

What are you complaining about today?

"We'll think of something!"

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'll turn out the attic light when I'm done...

 

[imalickin]

The thing that get me is all this bullshit about lower premiums and such is just the tip of the cost iceberg that everyone is looking at.

It may come to pass that premiums are lower for the individual, what with subsidies and the like, yet the cost of those subsides is not commented on.

The money has to come from somewhere. Where? Taxes or deficit spending. So the real cost of that premium all those liberals are shouting about is not the $165.50 per month they will be paying out of pocket, but the cost of the subsidy that they are handed to make the premium that low.

And whose pocket does that come out of? In most cases the same premium payers other pocket. The tax paying pocket. Another entitlement program run by the worst possible people on the planet, government.

So that premium you pay, plus the taxes you pay are the true cost of ObamaCare.

The numbers are in, it will cost the American people over $1 trillion, over the next 10 years to fund all the bullshit needed to support this boondoggle called ObamaCare. That's over and above the premiums Americans will have to pay.

That is $3,000 per man, woman and child in America. So a family of four will have to pay $12,000 in taxes to fund ObamaCare, above the cost of the insurance they pay for.

I don't know about you, but since Obama took office, I don't have an extra $3,000 to spend on anything even if it is spread over 10 years.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The thing that get me is all this bullshit about lower premiums and such is just the tip of the cost iceberg that everyone is looking at.

It may come to pass that premiums are lower for the individual, what with subsidies and the like, yet the cost of those subsides is not commented on.

The money has to come from somewhere. Where? Taxes or deficit spending. So the real cost of that premium all those liberals are shouting about is not the $165.50 per month they will be paying out of pocket, but the cost of the subsidy that they are handed to make the premium that low.

And whose pocket does that come out of? In most cases the same premium payers other pocket. The tax paying pocket. Another entitlement program run by the worst possible people on the planet, government.

So that premium you pay, plus the taxes you pay are the true cost of ObamaCare.

The numbers are in, it will cost the American people over $1 trillion, over the next 10 years to fund all the bullshit needed to support this boondoggle called ObamaCare. That's over and above the premiums Americans will have to pay.

That is $3,000 per man, woman and child in America. So a family of four will have to pay $12,000 in taxes to fund ObamaCare, above the cost of the insurance they pay for.

I don't know about you, but since Obama took office, I don't have an extra $3,000 to spend on anything even if it is spread over 10 years.

Obama's stash...




Remember, this thing is going to be a bonanza of new taxes, so the money is coming from government silly.


:caning:

 

[mercury14]

The thing that get me is all this bullshit about lower premiums and such is just the tip of the cost iceberg that everyone is looking at.

It may come to pass that premiums are lower for the individual, what with subsidies and the like, yet the cost of those subsides is not commented on.

The money has to come from somewhere. Where? Taxes or deficit spending. So the real cost of that premium all those liberals are shouting about is not the $165.50 per month they will be paying out of pocket, but the cost of the subsidy that they are handed to make the premium that low.

And whose pocket does that come out of? In most cases the same premium payers other pocket. The tax paying pocket. Another entitlement program run by the worst possible people on the planet, government.

So that premium you pay, plus the taxes you pay are the true cost of ObamaCare.

Please get facts on how ACA is funded. It's not by taking money from the people getting help and then giving it right back to them in the same amount. It's just not.

I've noticed a glut of conservatives these days walking around asking how the ACA is funded. Which talk show host told you to do this?

And premiums for individuals will be much lower on exchanges even before subsidies. This is because individual plans are ultra expensive due to their group size being one family versus 200,000 families.

 

[mercury14]

Obama's stash...




Remember, this thing is going to be a bonanza of new taxes, so the money is coming from government silly.


:caning:

All of the ACA's taxes have been in place for a while now. Their impact was such that you didn't even notice them being there.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Please get facts on how ACA is funded. It's not by taking money from the people getting help and then giving it right back to them in the same amount. It's just not.

I've noticed a glut of conservatives these days walking around asking how the ACA is funded. Which talk show host told you to do this?

And premiums for individuals will be much lower on exchanges even before subsidies. This is because individual plans are ultra expensive due to their group size being one family versus 200,000 families.

This is how we know we've won.

They can't complain about higher out-of-pocket costs....there aren't any.
They can't complain about lesser coverage...the coverage is there.

They're reduced to yammering "but..but...taxes!", totally overlooking the fact that federal tax rates are at near historic lows.

Look at the last line of Granny Grumpy's whine...she's whining about $3000 in taxes to be paid over the next 10 years. 300 per year. 25 per month. Woe is her. She's a victim.

 

[mercury14]

Yuh gotta respect the generous attitudes of all the millions whove opted out so there will be plenty of ObamaCare for us mortals.

No Obamacare for you anyway. You get the government handout known as Medicare and no you didn't pay for it. You love your fat gubmint handouts that let you sit around all day on Lit, dontcha?

 

[RobDownSouth]

All of the ACA's taxes have been in place for a while now. Their impact was such that you didn't even notice them being there.

Yep. Pre-funding.

 

[mercury14]

Look at the last line of Granny Grumpy's whine...she's whining about $3000 in taxes to be paid over the next 10 years. 300 per year. 25 per month. Woe is her. She's a victim.

Not only that but that's not even how it works. The largest aspects of the ACA's funding is a Medicare tax hike on income over 250k, cost shifting from Medicare savings, and a net investment tax on annual gains over 250k per year.

It FEELS good to her to say that everyone has to pay $3000 so she persuaded herself to believe right wing lying dumbfuckery again. No matter though, she'll look at these facts and just believe her falsehoods even more strongly.

 

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