Obama the worst president of all time?

[BotanyBoy]

I keep hearing this and other things like he was a complete failure from the talking heads right on down to the GOP dick suckers on this very board.

Yet for the 10,000 fucking times I've heard it said not a SINGLE explanation is given...

Dear RWCJ....what the fuck are you talking about?

What exactly did Obama do that is so horrible? So fail?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I keep hearing this and other things like he was a complete failure from the talking heads right on down to the GOP dick suckers on this very board.

Yet for the 10,000 fucking times I've heard it said not a SINGLE explanation is given...

Dear RWCJ....what the fuck are you talking about?

What exactly did Obama do that is so horrible? So fail?

1. Killed bin Laden
2. Got unemployment lower than it's been in years.
3. Gas is under $3 in most of the country.

How could anyone support a president like that?

 

[phrodeau]

Being President while black.

 

[Setanta84]

I keep hearing this and other things like he was a complete failure from the talking heads right on down to the GOP dick suckers on this very board.

Yet for the 10,000 fucking times I've heard it said not a SINGLE explanation is given...

Dear RWCJ....what the fuck are you talking about?

What exactly did Obama do that is so horrible? So fail?

I think he'll largely be viewed as a failed president by history. He came into office at the height of an economic crisis that could have rivaled the Great Depression and then he gave the "people" a little over $800b of "stimulus" largely in the form of tax cuts--which are not stimulative at all--and subsidies for industry, and then spent the next two years trying to figure out how to sell the turd of a "health insurance reform" bill he concocted with industry lobbyists.

Six years later, outside of the top 2% of earners, nobody has been made whole from the losses of the Great Recession, the ACA has actually weakened employer-provided health care, we have federal spending reduced by a Reagan era budget trick Obama employed in a bid to be the president that finally gutted Social Security, etc.

Obama is what would have happened if you threw Reagan and Hoover into the machine from The Fly and gave whatever unholy creature that resulted a magic mask that made it look and sound like a suave biracial black guy.

 

[phrodeau]

"Barack Obama is intent, it is his number one goal, to ensure that Iran has a nuclear weapon."
---Michele Bachmann

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/20/mic...ama_is_ushering_in_a_baby_called_the_rapture/

 

[Setanta84]

"Barack Obama is intent, it is his number one goal, to ensure that Iran has a nuclear weapon."
---Michele Bachmann

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/20/mic...ama_is_ushering_in_a_baby_called_the_rapture/

His #1 goal since he was sworn in was actually destroying Medicare and Social Security--he attended a lunch hosted by Pete Peterson that day.

It's a great irony that the raving idiots who largely helped him by serving as a reliable foil for much of his term, like Bachmann, actually prevented that from happening by being too stupid to realize Obama, with an assist from Boehner, was playing the Brer Rabbit angle on that one. "Oh noes, Mista Boehner, don't throw me into that patch of entitlement cuts!"

 

[Sean Renaud]

I think he'll largely be viewed as a failed president by history. He came into office at the height of an economic crisis that could have rivaled the Great Depression and then he gave the "people" a little over $800b of "stimulus" largely in the form of tax cuts--which are not stimulative at all--and subsidies for industry, and then spent the next two years trying to figure out how to sell the turd of a "health insurance reform" bill he concocted with industry lobbyists.

And through his actions (and those of Bush) it didn't rival the Great Depression. Republicans think tax cuts are stimulus so he did the only thing he could. Politically it would be impossible for him to just hire droves of people to do things. I've been to our national parks. Hiring people to clean and maintain them would be welcome in much of the country.

Yeah it's a shame he went with capitalism on health care. But sadly there aren't many leftists in this country and you could probably count the ones in Congress on your fingers. Again politics is the art of the possible.

Six years later, outside of the top 2% of earners, nobody has been made whole from the losses of the Great Recession, the ACA has actually weakened employer-provided health care, we have federal spending reduced by a Reagan era budget trick Obama employed in a bid to be the president that finally gutted Social Security, etc.

Nobody has been made "whole" is a lie, the vast majority of us have in fact been made whole. We're suffering from thirty years of weakened unions and strengthened top earners in every direction.

Employer provided health care should have been destroyed, instead it barely took a hit at all. He's had no intention nor done anything to hurt Social Security. where do you even get that ball of crap?

Obama is what would have happened if you threw Reagan and Hoover into the machine from The Fly and gave whatever unholy creature that resulted a magic mask that made it look and sound like a suave biracial black guy.

He doesn't really look biracial. He looks black.

His #1 goal since he was sworn in was actually destroying Medicare and Social Security--he attended a lunch hosted by Pete Peterson that day.

Yeah, completely and utter bullshit.

It's a great irony that the raving idiots who largely helped him by serving as a reliable foil for much of his term, like Bachmann, actually prevented that from happening by being too stupid to realize Obama, with an assist from Boehner, was playing the Brer Rabbit angle on that one. "Oh noes, Mista Boehner, don't throw me into that patch of entitlement cuts!"

Obama would never cut entitlements. He's spoken several times on expanding them.

 

[Setanta84]

Obama would never cut entitlements. He's spoken several times on expanding them.

Google "Grand Bargain" or "sequester" and pay special attention to coverage from foreign or independent presses.

Also, in 2012, it's REALLY easy to find David Plouffe quotes about the "necessity" of cutting entitlements.

It's easy to find it even in shitty, pro-Obama corporatist Dem blogs like Daily Kos. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/12/12/928273/-Obama-calls-SS-an-entitlement-and-links-to-deficit

 

[Arietty]

Obamacare equals higher premiums for others that now also have to pay into a system that benefits them not. Not only that, high premiums for those on the system and physician's general loathing of the mandate make it a cluster from the word go. It was to have been his legacy, it will be the thing that defines him, but not the way he hoped.

Foreign policy. There is none and we are now viewed as a weakened laughingstock and irrelevant. Thank you for that one!

He prematurely pulled out of Iraq. The consequences of that brilliant move are easily evident.

The IRS scandal
The NSA
The Iran Nuke Deal
Bowe Bergdahl
Gitmo
Keystone

I could go on. He's an awful excuse for a leader.

 

[lovecraft68]

Obamacare equals higher premiums for others that now also have to pay into a system that benefits them not. Not only that, high premiums for those on the system and physician's general loathing of the mandate make it a cluster from the word go. It was to have been his legacy, it will be the thing that defines him, but not the way he hoped.

Foreign policy. There is none and we are now viewed as a weakened laughingstock and irrelevant. Thank you for that one!

He prematurely pulled out of Iraq. The consequences of that brilliant move are easily evident.

The IRS scandal
The NSA
The Iran Nuke Deal
Bowe Bergdahl
Gitmo
Keystone

I could go on. He's an awful excuse for a leader.

any list like that would be incomplete without Benghazi or are we supposed to pretend that didn't happen to help Hilary take over next?

 

[lovecraft68]

The people benefiting from welfare and free medical love him. The rest of us paying for those people don't like him

If you are not wealthy and are middle class he has done nothing but makes us pay for all the freebies he gave the poor.

But not enough to raise the poor from poverty, but enough to make it look like he is helping while bring the middle class closer to the poor which is what he wants and always has the destruction of the middle class.

Oh, and if we're making a list...his fucking wife, Christ what an arrogant, entitled shrew.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Google "Grand Bargain" or "sequester" and pay special attention to coverage from foreign or independent presses.

Also, in 2012, it's REALLY easy to find David Plouffe quotes about the "necessity" of cutting entitlements.

It's easy to find it even in shitty, pro-Obama corporatist Dem blogs like Daily Kos. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/12/12/928273/-Obama-calls-SS-an-entitlement-and-links-to-deficit

Well that's not what is said in the article you linked. What he says is a fact, that the debt and deficit are highly tied to SS and Medicaid. He makes no mention at all of what he intends to do to stop it. I assume you have a right wing one where he claims he'd slash it instead of literally dozens of other things he could do? Removing the maximum deduction and combining it with means testing right off the top of my head would be a huge step in getting more money in.

Obamacare equals higher premiums for others that now also have to pay into a system that benefits them not. Not only that, high premiums for those on the system and physician's general loathing of the mandate make it a cluster from the word go. It was to have been his legacy, it will be the thing that defines him, but not the way he hoped.

Foreign policy. There is none and we are now viewed as a weakened laughingstock and irrelevant. Thank you for that one!

He prematurely pulled out of Iraq. The consequences of that brilliant move are easily evident.

The IRS scandal
The NSA
The Iran Nuke Deal
Bowe Bergdahl
Gitmo
Keystone

I could go on. He's an awful excuse for a leader.

He didn't prematurely pull out of Iraq and the consequences are not evident at all. The IRS was a non-scandal, the NSA was Bush, the Iran Nuke Deal so far looks good, Bergdahl was a good call, he couldn't fix Gitmo and Keystone was a good call as well.

You could go on, it would just prove how little you know.

 

[Arietty]

I said I could go on!

Let's not forget racial division. Our very first BI-racial president (he's as much white as he is black lest we forget) has helped promote racial divide.

Then there is the undocumented (ie illegal) issue. When did the definition of the word ILLEGAL change?

Common Core and education reform.

The list is LONG and still incomplete

 

[Sean Renaud]

I said I could go on!

Let's not forget racial division. Our very first BI-racial president (he's as much white as he is black lest we forget) has helped promote racial divide.

Then there is the undocumented (ie illegal) issue. When did the definition of the word ILLEGAL change?

Common Core and education reform.

The list is LONG and still incomplete

He's done nothing to promote racial divide. His real error is that he didn't push harder for blacks in just about any category. And no, he's not as much white as black. It's nice of you to say that but it's simply not true.

The undocumented/illegal issue? Oh the One Bush pushed for twice? And Obama's plan is san?

Common Core. . .what exactly do you not like about it? Education reform never happened in any real way.

The list thus far is filled with easily destroyed bullshit.

 

[Setanta84]

Well that's not what is said in the article you linked. What he says is a fact, that the debt and deficit are highly tied to SS and Medicaid. He makes no mention at all of what he intends to do to stop it. I assume you have a right wing one where he claims he'd slash it instead of literally dozens of other things he could do? Removing the maximum deduction and combining it with means testing right off the top of my head would be a huge step in getting more money in.

Social Security has absolutely nothing to do with the debt. It's fully solvent for decades and--near the end of our life expectancy--will continue to be able to pay out 80% of benefits indefinitely without any tweaks at all.

Erroneously linking it to the debt is a way of foaming the runway with lies in the lead up to cut it. That's true if a Republican does it. It's true if a "Democrat" does it.

I assume you know who David Plouffe is, yes? He has publicly stated, many times, the solution was cutting entitlements. He would not say that if it weren't approved by the administration. The people are control freak when it comes to "message."

Means testing is an idea that either intellectually dishonest or stupid people who listen to intellectually dishonest people champion. It's a way of making social programs more undemocratic and eroding support for--you guessed it--future cuts to the programs.

At the end of the day, most social programs would be solvent indefinitely is we simly got rid of the cap on income taxes.

Medicare's problems are all in the shitty state of American health care and corruption. Rein in prices for drugs and services, ask the "public-private partnership"/fascist aspects, and keep wealthy doctors from giving "friends" in Congress the use of their jets for vacations and Medicare doesn't have a problem.

 

[Arietty]

Well that's not what is said in the article you linked. What he says is a fact, that the debt and deficit are highly tied to SS and Medicaid. He makes no mention at all of what he intends to do to stop it. I assume you have a right wing one where he claims he'd slash it instead of literally dozens of other things he could do? Removing the maximum deduction and combining it with means testing right off the top of my head would be a huge step in getting more money in.




He didn't prematurely pull out of Iraq and the consequences are not evident at all. The IRS was a non-scandal, the NSA was Bush, the Iran Nuke Deal so far looks good, Bergdahl was a good call, he couldn't fix Gitmo and Keystone was a good call as well.

You could go on, it would just prove how little you know.

Someone not only drank and bathed in the kool-aid, they enema'd with it too.

The early pull out of Iraq has helped spew the seeds of ISIS as well as shown the lack of strategy this president has.

His 'red line in the sand' is as laughable as his ability to deal with Putin.

The IRS is a non-scandal? Would have been if the shoe was on the right foot instead of the left.

Read up a tad on the NSA http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/obama-and-the-n-s-a-why-he-cant-be-trusted

I don't think Israel thinks the Iran nuke deal looks so good. How, Mr. All Knowledge, is the Nuke deal a good thing. When you make deals with a people that revile you, and break treatise, you are a fool.

How was Bergdahl a good anything, he's a freaking desserter.

You are good at making comments with no substance. Maybe you douched with the kool aid as well.

 

[phrodeau]

Google "Grand Bargain" or "sequester" and pay special attention to coverage from foreign or independent presses.

Also, in 2012, it's REALLY easy to find David Plouffe quotes about the "necessity" of cutting entitlements.

It's easy to find it even in shitty, pro-Obama corporatist Dem blogs like Daily Kos. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/12/12/928273/-Obama-calls-SS-an-entitlement-and-links-to-deficit

I sure hope Obama cuts more entitlements, like the entitlements given to large corporations and military contractors.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Being President while black.

Honestly this should have been the end of the thread. It's by far and away his greatest sin.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I think he'll largely be viewed as a failed president by history. He came into office at the height of an economic crisis that could have rivaled the Great Depression and then he gave the "people" a little over $800b of "stimulus" largely in the form of tax cuts--which are not stimulative at all--and subsidies for industry, and then spent the next two years trying to figure out how to sell the turd of a "health insurance reform" bill he concocted with industry lobbyists.

Six years later, outside of the top 2% of earners, nobody has been made whole from the losses of the Great Recession, the ACA has actually weakened employer-provided health care, we have federal spending reduced by a Reagan era budget trick Obama employed in a bid to be the president that finally gutted Social Security, etc.

Obama is what would have happened if you threw Reagan and Hoover into the machine from The Fly and gave whatever unholy creature that resulted a magic mask that made it look and sound like a suave biracial black guy.

So you think he failed because he only managed to largely unfuck one of the largest economic melt downs in our nations history, but only a 9.0 because it wasn't totally painless.

And he had to pass republican HC reform to get it shoved through which only mildly helped instead of giving us the UHC that we deserve and should have had trillions ago......


Wow....deff the worst president of all time

Obamacare equals higher premiums for others that now also have to pay into a system that benefits them not. Not only that, high premiums for those on the system and physician's general loathing of the mandate make it a cluster from the word go.

So he cost a small % of people a little extra, but got significantly more people insurance.....

How does that make him the worst or failed potus?

It was to have been his legacy, it will be the thing that defines him, but not the way he hoped.

Ummm no he's pretty much kicking the piss out of Reagancare despite the RW claims that all of time space would come unraveled if we allowed ACA to happen.

It's not super, but it's an improvement....which I ask again, how does this make him bad/failed?

Foreign policy. There is none and we are now viewed as a weakened laughingstock and irrelevant. Thank you for that one!

That happened long before Obama...

He prematurely pulled out of Iraq. The consequences of that brilliant move are easily evident.

No he didn't...there was no such thing as prematurely pulling out of Iraq. The consequences are the only thing they could have been the second we started our pointless occupation of the shit hole.

The IRS scandal

Ehhh...scandal is pretty fuckin' dramatic. I don't even really know wtf you're talking about here.

The NSA

You mean the one Bush turned into the Gestapo on 'god mode' ?? Not really Obama's fault.

The Iran Nuke Deal

As opposed to no deal? Other than not getting moar war in the mid east how is this bad? or make O's presidency a failure?

Bowe Bergdahl

Maybe not his best move, but hardly out of character for a POTUS or damning to the US or it's people.

Gitmo

Yep he refuses to close the thing.....like he promised.

Keystone

Was not a negative and in no way makes him the worst/failed POTUS. He did exactly what his voters wanted.

I could go on. He's an awful excuse for a leader.

You could go on with stuff you don't like but you can't come up with anything that seems to define him as a failure or bad POTUS, just a mediocre one.

The people benefiting from welfare

The richest people on the planet?

and free medical love him.

Who's getting free medical?

The rest of us paying for those people don't like him

The rest of us paying what for who?

See this is the kind of generic RW talking head bullshit I'm talking about....

In some fantasy world Obama is giving out lots of welfare....except he's not.

If you are not wealthy and are middle class he has done nothing but makes us pay for all the freebies he gave the poor.

There are no freebies he gave the poor.....you're delusional.

But not enough to raise the poor from poverty, but enough to make it look like he is helping while bring the middle class closer to the poor which is what he wants and always has the destruction of the middle class.

That's because he didn't give them shit. Bad trade policy with China is what's killing the middle class, not some mystical non existent Obama welfare you can't name if your life depended on it.

Oh, and if we're making a list...his fucking wife, Christ what an arrogant, entitled shrew.

W/e.....I personally don't care but I din't think any bitch factor on the 1st lady's part = worst president/failed presidency.

I sure hope Obama cuts more entitlements, like the entitlements given to large corporations and military contractors.

This is America, only the rich are worthy of welfare....

 

[Setanta84]

So you think he failed because he only managed to largely unfuck one of the largest economic melt downs in our nations history, but only a 9.0 because it wasn't totally painless.

He had supermajorities in Congress that could have passed FDR-like radical economic reform and immediately solved the crisis. Instead, he bailed out the banks--they got several trillion dollars in aid while the rest of the country got less a couple hundred billion dollars less than a single trillion. And most of that was in subsidies to big business and tax cuts.

Also, the numbers show the wealth the middle class accumulated since FDR has basically vanished.

He didn't unfuck shit. The job numbers only look good if you don't factor in things like population growth IN ADDITION TO the unemployment and underemployment from the recession and take the long-term unemployed off the books.

And he had to pass republican HC reform to get it shoved through which only mildly helped instead of giving us the UHC that we deserve and should have had trillions ago......

Barry didn't "have to" do a national version of Romneycare, like he didn't have to take the Hoover approach to a demand crisis. He did both--and writes regressive budgets--because that's who he is as a policymaker.

He told Jennifer Granholm that national Romneycare was the plan roughly two years before they officially unveiled the bill. It was not a compromise. It is the bill he wanted because it is what the lobbyists wanted and the guy is a fucking empty suit whose sole joys in life are his own reflection, acquiring wealth, and murdering people with flying robots.

 

[Sean Renaud]

And the Gitmo thing isn't fair to blame on Obama. Maybe he could have tried harder the Republicans in Congress and governors both shut him down. I think people have a real bad habit of forgetting he's not a dictator.

 

[rippitydoo]

I keep hearing this and other things like he was a complete failure from the talking heads right on down to the GOP dick suckers on this very board.

Yet for the 10,000 fucking times I've heard it said not a SINGLE explanation is given...

Dear RWCJ....what the fuck are you talking about?

What exactly did Obama do that is so horrible? So fail?

Nothing.

"Talking heads" is a great name for the group (including those on this board) as they keep saying/typing these claims without bothering to even try & think of reasons for these claims. (If they had, they could go quite some time before realizing they have few-if-any.)

 

[phrodeau]

He had supermajorities in Congress that could have passed FDR-like radical economic reform and immediately solved the crisis. Instead, he bailed out the banks--they got several trillion dollars in aid while the rest of the country got less a couple hundred billion dollars less than a single trillion. And most of that was in subsidies to big business and tax cuts.

Also, the numbers show the wealth the middle class accumulated since FDR has basically vanished.

He didn't unfuck shit. The job numbers only look good if you don't factor in things like population growth IN ADDITION TO the unemployment and underemployment from the recession and take the long-term unemployed off the books.



Barry didn't "have to" do a national version of Romneycare, like he didn't have to take the Hoover approach to a demand crisis. He did both--and writes regressive budgets--because that's who he is as a policymaker.

He told Jennifer Granholm that national Romneycare was the plan roughly two years before they officially unveiled the bill. It was not a compromise. It is the bill he wanted because it is what the lobbyists wanted and the guy is a fucking empty suit whose sole joys in life are his own reflection, acquiring wealth, and murdering people with flying robots.

So one could describe President Obama as "shiftless", according to you.

 

[Sean Renaud]

He had supermajorities in Congress that could have passed FDR-like radical economic reform and immediately solved the crisis. Instead, he bailed out the banks--they got several trillion dollars in aid while the rest of the country got less a couple hundred billion dollars less than a single trillion. And most of that was in subsidies to big business and tax cuts.

No he didn't. For starters he never actually had 60 to begin with, and anything short of 60 doesn't matter as a super majority. 51 is effectively the same as 59 if you have a party willing to abuse the filibuster. And in reality he had 58 when he started.

But we're not gonna bother that detail. You do remember how Ted Kennedy, rude little shit, decided to die in the first year of the presidency right?

 

[Setanta84]

No he didn't. For starters he never actually had 60 to begin with, and anything short of 60 doesn't matter as a super majority. 51 is effectively the same as 59 if you have a party willing to abuse the filibuster. And in reality he had 58 when he started.

But we're not gonna bother that detail. You do remember how Ted Kennedy, rude little shit, decided to die in the first year of the presidency right?

I swear, you just regurgitate Democratic talking points.

60 is a false threshold. The Senate can and does rewrite the rules at the beginning of every session. They even did this recently to allow some of Obama's nominees through. Obama and the Democratic caucus in the Senate only had to deal with the filibuster because they wanted it there as an excuse to not enact an agenda that would piss off the contributor class.