Obama Stimulus Golf Carts!

[amicus]

I just couldn't resist this...sighs...my bad...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107204574473724099542430.html


We thought cash for clunkers was the ultimate waste of taxpayer money, but as usual we were too optimistic. Thanks to the federal tax credit to buy high-mileage cars that was part of President Obama's stimulus plan, Uncle Sam is now paying Americans to buy that great necessity of modern life, the golf cart.

(Rest of article at link)



ami

 

[Boxlicker101]

I just couldn't resist this...sighs...my bad...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107204574473724099542430.html


We thought cash for clunkers was the ultimate waste of taxpayer money, but as usual we were too optimistic. Thanks to the federal tax credit to buy high-mileage cars that was part of President Obama's stimulus plan, Uncle Sam is now paying Americans to buy that great necessity of modern life, the golf cart.

(Rest of article at link)



ami

This is truly asinine, if it's true. I doubt that many people buy golf carts to drive on the streets or commute to work, although some might. They wouldn't be able to drive them on freeways or expressways or some other places, but they might use them for some short trips. I wonder if dune buggies would get the sdame deal. I wonder if electric wheel chairs would.

 

[amicus]

It came from the Wall Street Journal, although I heard it elsewhere and thought it just too damned funny to pass up. Good question about electric dune buggies but I would guess electric wheel chairs wins hands down...

ami

 

[SixtyMinuteMan]

Note that nowhere in that opinion piece does it actually say that any golf carts were sold under the CARS program.

And yes, amicus, it came from the Wall Street Journal. From the opinion page. Meaning it's not a researched article, it's someone's, you know, opinion. Or, in this particular case, a simple lie.

Here's every single thing sold under Cash for Clunkers. No golf carts.

 

[amicus]

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/senate_stimulus_golf_cart/2009/02/09/179762.html

The U.S. Senate’s stimulus package includes $300 million for environmentally friendly modes of transportation, including “neighborhood electric vehicles” — which are, in fact, golf carts.

The 778-page Senate bill includes this allocation: “For capital expenditures and necessary expenses of acquiring motor vehicles with higher fuel economy, including: hybrid vehicles; neighborhood electric vehicles; electric vehicles; and commercially-available, plug-in hybrid vehicles, $300,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2011.”

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'nuf said?

Amicus Veritas

 

[SixtyMinuteMan]

Sure. Another dude knows how to lie in a four-paragraph opinion piece.

Here's the actual text of the law: http://www.cars.gov/files/official-information/law.pdf

And here's the amendment to the law: http://www.cars.gov/files/official-information/amendment.pdf

Go find that text. You can use the search function right there at the top of the pdfs. Hint: it ain't there.

'nuf said?

 

[SixtyMinuteMan]

And since that second bullshit opinion piece is actually referring to the broader stimulus package, not CARS, here's the entire text of that legislation: http://readthestimulus.org/hr1_final.txt

Ctrl+F. Find the text he "quotes".

Oh, wait. You can't. Because, again, it's not there.

 

[amicus]

You are one tough customer, sixtyminuteman, I give you that.

http://readthestimulus.org/index.php?doc=amdth1&page=476

http://readthestimulus.org/index.php?doc=amdth1&page=96

Here is the information you could not locate; but you did a fine job of cherrypicking, I scanned all three links you provided and nary a word to confirm what I had posted.

You work in DC?



amicus veritas

 

[SixtyMinuteMan]

Now go find it in the legislation that actually PASSED. You know, the final version? The one that's actually a law, instead of a rough draft?

Linking entire laws is cherrypicking? Or does having a connection with reality count? Either way, there's another name for quoting the wrong laws, opinion pieces, and working versions of laws. It's called lying

And no, I don't work in DC. I just have the ability to think critically. You should try it.

 

[amicus]

If you will trouble yourself to look to the left on this link that I posted previously

http://readthestimulus.org/index.php?doc=amdth1&page=96

you will find that it is the Final Version, page 96.

Since you have an agenda to challenge each assertion I make, even with documentation, then we shall butt heads and let the audience follow the links and see who is correct.

Regardless of your opinion or your less than kind criticism, I have always documented my assertions, to the letter and page, as in this case.

Amicus Veritas

 

[SixtyMinuteMan]

Right there at the top of your link. "Senate Compromise 2/7: Page 96" Not "Final Version."

See, at the left of that page you can look up different drafts. At the bottom, the senate compromise version. Above that, House Resolution 1. And above THAT, the version that passed into law. Even tells you when it passed, on 2/13.

And no, you don't. Let's review this thread. You started with an assertion about Cash for Clunkers. Whatever else, that assertion is wrong, right? There are no golf carts in Cash for Clunkers. None. Nada. It's not in there.

So then you quote the broader stimulus plan. Except you're wrong there, too. Your source made up text, and when you couldn't find that text you went to an older, working draft that did not become law. The inescapable fact here is that your thread-starting assertion is flatly wrong.

 

[amicus]

Due to overwhelming interest in our Street-Legal Electric Vehicles and requests for documentation regarding the tax incentives associated with them, we have accumulated the following information.

This information covers issues regarding street-legal low-speed vehicles, also know as LSV's (low-speed vehicles) or NEV's (neighborhood electric vehicles) and the associated Oklahoma State (50%) and Federal (up to $5,475) Income Tax Credit Programs.

http://www.adaelectriccars.com/dyn/showpage.php?id=19

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I figured you would try to weasel your way out of this confrontation, so I just searched and found dozens of dealers who are selling said Golf Carts under the Stimulus directives as approved by the IRS.

Oh, by the way, anyone can follow that link or any I have posted, or God forbid, do their own research and confirm my findings.

Amicus Veritas

 

[SixtyMinuteMan]

That's income tax credits. Not stimulus money. Certainly not Cash for Clunkers money. Says it right there in your quoted text. Income Tax Programs. Do you comprehend the difference between income tax credits, which have existed since long before Obama was President, and the stimulus?

And does this mean you're admitting that there wasn't golf cart money in Cash for Clunkers?

 

[amicus]

Ah, an invite to tiptoe through the tulips of semantics, eh?

That is what the Stimulus Program was for the 'Clunkers', tax credits towards purchase of a more fuel efficient vehicle. That it also applies to 'Neighborhood Electric Vehicles', or Golf Carts, may be an oversight in the plan, nonetheless it exists and sales are being made with a government rebate, call it Tax Credit or whatever, it remains as I asserted.

You lose.

Amicus

 

[SixtyMinuteMan]

There are no semantics here, there is no cherrypicking, and you're doing the only weaseling.

It is not as you asserted. There was no money for golf carts in Cash for Clunkers. There is no money for golf carts in the stimulus. You are now trying to equate an income tax credit that is completely unrelated to Cash for Clunkers to your original statement.

Again, I cannot say this more plainly: You're absolutely wrong. All the obfuscation in the world won't help. There was no money for golf carts in Cash for Clunkers. There is no money for golf carts in the broader stimulus. You're lying.

 

[amicus]

http://www.infidelsparadise.com/?p=4307

In South Carolina, sales of these carts have been soaring as dealerships alert customers to Uncle Sam’s giveaway. “The Golf Cart Man” in the Villages of Lady Lake, Florida is running a banner online ad that declares: “GET A FREE GOLF CART. Or make $2,000 doing absolutely nothing!”

Golf Cart Man is referring to his offer in which you can buy the cart for $8,000, get a $5,300 tax credit off your 2009 income tax, lease it back for $100 a month for 27 months, at which point Golf Cart Man will buy back the cart for $2,000. “This means you own a free Golf Cart or made $2,000 cash doing absolutely nothing!!!” You can’t blame a guy for exploiting loopholes that Congress offers.

The IRS has also ruled that there’s no limit to how many electric cars an individual can buy, so some enterprising profiteers are stocking up on multiple carts while the federal credit lasts, in order to resell them at a profit later. We should note that some states, such as Oklahoma, have caught on to the giveaway and are debating whether to cancel or limit their state credits. But in Congress they’re still on the driving range

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This has taken the face of real humor, heh...

the always reliable, Amicus...

 

[SixtyMinuteMan]

Posting the same bullshit article on a different site doesn't change anything. Still not Cash for Clunkers money.

Christ, man, the last two articles you yourself linked don't even claim it's Cash for Clunkers money.

 

[amicus]

http://www.goodfinancialcents.com/cash-for-clunkers-tax-free-credit-rules/

http://www.smartmoney.com/spending/autos/Cash-for-Clunkers-What-You-Need-to-Know/

Search Key Words: tax credits cash for clunkers

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You really are a hardhead and determined to be right regardless of the evidence staring you in the face.

Both 'Clunkers and Clubbers' are tax incentives under the same Stimulus Plan and IRS rules.

There are even more 'incentives' at State levels as stated in the links provided.

Amicus

 

[SixtyMinuteMan]

Absolutely nothing in either of those links about electric vehicles or golf carts or anything related. They're basic breakdowns of the program.

Still no golf carts. That's the evidence staring both of us in the face.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I have been looking over the last few posts here. I don't really see much difference between a stimulus check for somebody who has bought an electric golf cart or who will use it to buy the cart and a tax credit for somebody who has bought one. Either way, the gov. ends up paying for something rather frivolous that provides little or no benefit to the population of the US. Some of them might be used to drive around suburban streets but I strongly suspect most of them will just be used on a golf course or similar place or will be turned into a profit through the method that one advertiser suggested.

Where are the golf carts made? If they are not made in the US, that will be adding insult to injury.

 

[SixtyMinuteMan]

The difference, dear Boxlicker, is in laying it at Obama's feet. Check the info links in amicus' post. The tax credits he's now trying to divert us to go back to '98. Not just before Obama. Before Bush.

Hate Obama all you want, but any way you slice it there are no stimulus golf carts.

 

[Stella_Omega]

This thread is perfect fodder for my turd-flushing plugin.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The difference, dear Boxlicker, is in laying it at Obama's feet. Check the info links in amicus' post. The tax credits he's now trying to divert us to go back to '98. Not just before Obama. Before Bush.

Hate Obama all you want, but any way you slice it there are no stimulus golf carts.

Here is a recent column from the Wall Street Journal. It is a column, not a news article, but that does not make it untrue.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107204574473724099542430.html

I know the cash for clunkers is an Obama idea. Are you trying to say the golf cart thing actually goes back 11 years?

I don't hate Obama. I don't entirely trust him, especially with the big majorities his party has in congress, but I do wish him well as long as he does not try to emulate the Socialist nations of Europe. I also have some doubts that he is tough enough to make the hard decisions.

 

[cloudy]

This thread is perfect fodder for my turd-flushing plugin.

Indeed.

 

[freshface]

This thread is perfect fodder for my turd-flushing plugin.

But you'd miss the shear theater of SixtyMinuteMan handing Amicus his hat. A thing of beauty the way he refuses to let Ami make up stuff.