Obama - no right to the food you wish!

[Zeb_Carter]

Maine Town Nullifies Federal Food Restrictions

Last year, in support of a lawsuit they filed against Amish people selling raw milk, the Obama administration argued that Americans “do not have a fundamental right to obtain any food they wish.”

 

[oggbashan]

In the UK we have problems with "Bushmeat", illegally imported flesh from protected species.

Apart from the effect on the animal population, the "Bushmeat" often isn't what the buyers think it is, with rat meat sold as "monkey".

Food regulation laws generally protect the consumer from unscrupulous traders. In 19th Century England the illegal additives to food were sometimes extremely dangerous to health.

We can buy "farm milk" but even that has to have some treatment to avoid transferrable diseases.

Og

 

[stephen55]

Raw milk which is not contaminated with bovine tuberculosis, Salmonella, enteropathic E. coli, Listeria etc., etc. is perfectly good food. Raw milk which is contaminated with bovine tuberculosis.......

Why is it that some people see government attempts to protect consumers from unsafe products as infringement of personal freedoms, liberties and so on.

Remember the howls of outrage when toxic chemicals were found in toothpaste from China? Remember the baby formula with added melamine that poisoned and killed babies? Did any of those personal freedom advocates stand up and demand the right to feed their baby toxic formula?

Raw milk was a public health disaster that was effectively dealt with long ago. Raw milk advocates point to the lack of cases of bovine tuberculosis in people as proof of the safety of raw milk. It's as good a case of fractured logic as has ever been invented.

Hey everybody!! I haven't seen a case of polio ever!! Honestly! In my entire career as a family doc...not one case of polio!! So stand up and demand that vaccination against polio be banned!!

Oh...and those cases of polio in children who weren't vaccinated against polio...all them kids probably drank pasteurized milk... serves 'em right...damned straight it does...mutter mutter...

 

[Stella_Omega]

OP is what early Alzheimer's looks like on the internet, folks. As our internet population ages, we'll see more and more posts like these, from people who used to be trenchant, humane, witty, caring-- reduced to anger, fear, and greed.

 

[3113]

Last year, in support of a lawsuit they filed against Amish people selling raw milk, the Obama administration argued that Americans “do not have a fundamental right to obtain any food they wish.”

You're right Zeb! We should be able to obtain any food we wish. I'm thinking of growing poppies, magic mushrooms and cocoa plants for the very interesting foods they provide (I'm looking beyond poppy seeds to poppy juice, and maybe putting the "Coco" back in Coco-Cola, yum!). Maybe if I start a religious group in Maine and say that it's part of my religion not only to cultivate such crops but sell the "foods" from them to others I'll be able to by-pass all those sticky Federal laws. I'm very pleased that Maine is enlightened and interested in allowing people to grow and sell any food they like to anyone, and not about to let Prez. Obama dictate what foods we do and don't have a right to.

 

[Stella_Omega]

And let's not forget cat and puppy flesh.

 

[3113]

And let's not forget cat and puppy flesh.

Heck, why stop there? Instead of donating bodies to science, people could donate their bodies to restaurants. Three car pile-up...a tragedy, true, but also a great meal. Dr. Lecter's Liver & Fava bean appetizer anyone?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

In the UK we have problems with "Bushmeat", illegally imported flesh from protected species.

Apart from the effect on the animal population, the "Bushmeat" often isn't what the buyers think it is, with rat meat sold as "monkey".

Food regulation laws generally protect the consumer from unscrupulous traders. In 19th Century England the illegal additives to food were sometimes extremely dangerous to health.

We can buy "farm milk" but even that has to have some treatment to avoid transferrable diseases.

Og

But that's not what this is about.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

You're right Zeb! We should be able to obtain any food we wish. I'm thinking of growing poppies, magic mushrooms and cocoa plants for the very interesting foods they provide (I'm looking beyond poppy seeds to poppy juice, and maybe putting the "Coco" back in Coco-Cola, yum!). Maybe if I start a religious group in Maine and say that it's part of my religion not only to cultivate such crops but sell the "foods" from them to others I'll be able to by-pass all those sticky Federal laws. I'm very pleased that Maine is enlightened and interested in allowing people to grow and sell any food they like to anyone, and not about to let Prez. Obama dictate what foods we do and don't have a right to.

You know if you were any funnier you might just make it through the first round of Last Comic Standing...or did they cancel that show?

And You know this isn't about drugs, although I see no reason in restricting the use of drugs by the adult population of the country. If they are stupid enough to use them then let them, maybe they'll all kill themselves.

This is about the Obama administration deciding whether you can have the cheeseburger at McDonalds. Or those fried chitterlings at Big Mama's Down Home Cooking Shack.

It's about control and power.

 

[Stella_Omega]

You know if you were any funnier you might just make it through the first round of Last Comic Standing...or did they cancel that show?

And You know this isn't about drugs, although I see no reason in restricting the use of drugs by the adult population of the country. If they are stupid enough to use them then let them, maybe they'll all kill themselves.

This is about the Obama administration deciding whether you can have the cheeseburger at McDonalds. Or those fried chitterlings at Big Mama's Down Home Cooking Shack.

It's about control and power.

Cheeseburgers? No, it's about raw milk.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Heck, why stop there? Instead of donating bodies to science, people could donate their bodies to restaurants. Three car pile-up...a tragedy, true, but also a great meal. Dr. Lecter's Liver & Fava bean appetizer anyone?

human meat is too full of pollutants.

 

[3113]

You know if you were any funnier you might just make it through the first round of Last Comic Standing...or did they cancel that show?

Nope, still on, and thank you for your vote of confidence. I know I'm hilarious.

And You know this isn't about drugs

Nor is it about cheeseburgers and fried chitterlings, but you're bringing broth up. If you can go off road with what this is about--meaning you can make it about the right to eat whatever food we want vs. an argument over raw milk, then so I can I.

It's about control and power.

Yes, and if you surrender YOUR power to have food regulated, then power over what you'll be eating will be in the hands of those who want to screw you. Read Sinclair Lewis' The Jungle sometime.

You have a really fucked up idea about power and control, Z. You think if we get rid of government control, you'll have more power. When just the opposite is true. McDonalds there would LOVE to have power over what it gave you to eat with no regulations keeping it from poisoning you with some really bad stuff. How do I know this? Because every time a government doesn't have food regulations, be it Victorian England or turn-of-the-century U.S. or modern China, that is what happened. You want to let the food industry, those who make and sell it, have power and control over what you eat, be my guess, but I'd rather keep power and control over the food industry and make sure they can't sell me pork that has ground up rats in it.

 

[stephen55]

It's about control and power.

That's one way of looking at it. Another way to see it is an attempt to prevent another round of the public health disaster that is raw milk.

Just because nearly everyone around today is too old to remember cases of bovine tuberculosis (and polio) doesn't mean raw milk is harmless (or that polio is no longer with us).

Public health and common sense trumps someone's right to sell potential bovine tuberculosis. Is that such a hardship?

There are laws against selling baby formula that kills babies. There are laws against selling toothpaste that contain chemicals that wipe out your kidneys. There are laws against selling milk that can seriously harm or kill you.

Is there a problem here? You seem to think there is. I don't.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Nope, still on, and thank you for your vote of confidence. I know I'm hilarious.


Nor is it about cheeseburgers and fried chitterlings, but you're bringing broth up. If you can go off road with what this is about--meaning you can make it about the right to eat whatever food we want vs. an argument over raw milk, then so I can I.


Yes, and if you surrender YOUR power to have food regulated, then power over what you'll be eating will be in the hands of those who want to screw you. Read Sinclair Lewis' The Jungle sometime.

You have a really fucked up idea about power and control, Z. You think if we get rid of government control, you'll have more power. When just the opposite is true. McDonalds there would LOVE to have power over what it gave you to eat with no regulations keeping it from poisoning you with some really bad stuff. How do I know this? Because every time a government doesn't have food regulations, be it Victorian England or turn-of-the-century U.S. or modern China, that is what happened. You want to let the food industry, those who make and sell it, have power and control over what you eat, be my guess, but I'd rather keep power and control over the food industry and make sure they can't sell me pork that has ground up rats in it.

The only power I want is what is guaranteed me by the constitution. Food regulations are fine so that food is fresh and uncontaminated. I'm not advocating anything like you espouse I am, but you know that.

I don't expect the government to regulate my fat intake or sugar intake. If you're too stupid to do it for yourself...well you can't fix stupid.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

That's one way of looking at it. Another way to see it is an attempt to prevent another round of the public health disaster that is raw milk.

Just because nearly everyone around today is too old to remember cases of bovine tuberculosis (and polio) doesn't mean raw milk is harmless (or that polio is no longer with us).

Public health and common sense trumps someone's right to sell potential bovine tuberculosis. Is that such a hardship?

There are laws against selling baby formula that kills babies. There are laws against selling toothpaste that contain chemicals that wipe out your kidneys. There are laws against selling milk that can seriously harm or kill you.

Is there a problem here? You seem to think there is. I don't.

Why just the focus on the milk thing? I have no problem with milk...I don't drink the damn stuff anyway. How about the fat and sugar regs they no want to impose? So you're okay with government telling you how much sugar you can put in your coffee or on you morning cereal? Or how much fat you wrap you steak with?

If I want a cheeseburger with onions, pickles and mustard, I don't want some government hack telling me I can't.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Why just the focus on the milk thing? I have no problem with milk...I don't drink the damn stuff anyway. How about the fat and sugar regs they no want to impose? So you're okay with government telling you how much sugar you can put in your coffee or on you morning cereal? Or how much fat you wrap you steak with?

If I want a cheeseburger with onions, pickles and mustard, I don't want some government hack telling me I can't.

You actually have government hacks telling you that?


If you want to talk about the government imposing limits on fat and sugar content, find the articles about those restrictions.

Or you know... just make unsubstantiated claims.

 

[TE999]

Maine Town Nullifies Federal Food Restrictions

Last year, in support of a lawsuit they filed against Amish people selling raw milk, the Obama administration argued that Americans “do not have a fundamental right to obtain any food they wish.”

Does this mean if I decide to plink Bambi's mommy to make venison Sloppy Joes I'm breaking the law?

 

[3113]

I'm not advocating anything like you espouse I am, but you know that.

No, I don't know that. You took the milk example. And that's EXACTLY what you say you want. Food that is fresh and uncontaminated. Milk was contaminated, they put in regulations that it can't be--which means it can't be raw and unpasteurized because that makes it likely to be contaminated. End of story. EXACTLY what you want.

And Obama is saying that American's can't have any food they want would seem to relate to that--we don't allow contaminated food, nor do we allow places to sell dog or cat meat or a lot of other weird meats come to that like monkey. Americans can go places to eat it, but America has certain regulations that say we can't. Go ahead and pass an law changing that if it upsets you that you can't eat chimpanzee burgers in the U.S.

In short, Obama is not advocating anything like you're espousing, but it seems you're too stupid to know that, and well, you said it yourself....

you can't fix stupid.

Alas, no, Zeb, but it is fun sometimes to try and fix it.

How about the fat and sugar regs they no want to impose? So you're okay with government telling you how much sugar you can put in your coffee or on you morning cereal? Or how much fat you wrap you steak with?

If I want a cheeseburger with onions, pickles and mustard, I don't want some government hack telling me I can't.

Exactly how many government hacks have been telling you that you can't have onions pickles and mustard with your cheeseburger? What member of the government has been telling you how much sugar you can have in your coffee? Or on your morning cereal?

You must not get a lot of privacy with all those government agents watching what you eat at every meal. Oh, and last I looked, they hadn't outlawed any of these items or required the places making them to cut down on the fat, sugar, or any other content that makes them the top ten most unhealthy things you can eat in the U.S.A.:

White Castle Chocolate Shake - Large (Louisville region)
Calories: 1680
Nathan's Fish N Chips
Calories: 1537
Carl's Jr. Double Six Dollar Burger
Calories: 1520
Hardee's Monster Thickburger
Calories: 1420
Dairy Queen Large Choc. Chip Cookie Dough Blizzard
Calories: 1320
Hardee's Double Bacon Cheese Thickburger
Calories: 1300
Dairy Queen Large Chocolate Malt
Calories: 1300
Nathan's Chicken Tender Platter
Calories: 1300
Jack In The Box OREO Cookie Ice Cream Shake (24oz)
Calories: 1290
Dairy Queen Chicken Strip Basket (6 piece)
Calories: 1270

By all means. Head to any one of these places and chow down. I bet ya no one from the government will even try to tell you it's a bad idea, let alone stop you.

 

[The_Fool]

No, I don't know that. You took the milk example. And that's EXACTLY what you say you want. Food that is fresh and uncontaminated. Milk was contaminated, they put in regulations that it can't be--which means it can't be raw and unpasteurized because that makes it likely to be contaminated. End of story. EXACTLY what you want.

And Obama is saying that American's can't have any food they want would seem to relate to that--we don't allow contaminated food, nor do we allow places to sell dog or cat meat or a lot of other weird meats come to that like monkey. Americans can go places to eat it, but America has certain regulations that say we can't. Go ahead and pass an law changing that if it upsets you that you can't eat chimpanzee burgers in the U.S.

In short, Obama is not advocating anything like you're espousing, but it seems you're too stupid to know that, and well, you said it yourself....

Alas, no, Zeb, but it is fun sometimes to try and fix it.


Exactly how many government hacks have been telling you that you can't have onions pickles and mustard with your cheeseburger? What member of the government has been telling you how much sugar you can have in your coffee? Or on your morning cereal?

You must not get a lot of privacy with all those government agents watching what you eat at every meal. Oh, and last I looked, they hadn't outlawed any of these items or required the places making them to cut down on the fat, sugar, or any other content that makes them the top ten most unhealthy things you can eat in the U.S.A.:

White Castle Chocolate Shake - Large (Louisville region)
Calories: 1680
Nathan's Fish N Chips
Calories: 1537
Carl's Jr. Double Six Dollar Burger
Calories: 1520
Hardee's Monster Thickburger
Calories: 1420
Dairy Queen Large Choc. Chip Cookie Dough Blizzard
Calories: 1320
Hardee's Double Bacon Cheese Thickburger
Calories: 1300
Dairy Queen Large Chocolate Malt
Calories: 1300
Nathan's Chicken Tender Platter
Calories: 1300
Jack In The Box OREO Cookie Ice Cream Shake (24oz)
Calories: 1290
Dairy Queen Chicken Strip Basket (6 piece)
Calories: 1270

By all means. Head to any one of these places and chow down. I bet ya no one from the government will even try to tell you it's a bad idea, let alone stop you.

Damn. A chocolate malt sounds GOOD! Can Absinthe give you the munchies?

 

[lisa123414]

giggles, remembering reading a Cosmo article (years ago) detailing the calories and food value from swallowing a load. There are actually lots of calories involved.

 

[Stella_Omega]

giggles, remembering reading a Cosmo article (years ago) detailing the calories and food value from swallowing a load. There are actually lots of calories involved.

And not enough exercise in a face-fucking to cancel them out...

 

[lisa123414]

And not enough exercise in a face-fucking to cancel them out...

you make me smile, all the while I wrote that, I was thinking why did they not investigate the calories involved in muff-diving? srsly, if people only knew...

 

[Tio_Narratore]

And not enough exercise in a face-fucking to cancel them out...

Erica Jong pointed that out many years ago in Fear of Flying; she told the story of a New Delhi prostitute who was unable to lose weight no matter how much she dieted. Our doctor discovers the reason: she giving 20-30 bjs a day and swallowing. The protagonist gives some thought to a novel solution to Third World food shortage.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

you make me smile, all the while I wrote that, I was thinking why did they not investigate the calories involved in muff-diving? srsly, if people only knew...

The secretions of Skene's and Bartholin's Glands are relatively low in calories and in protein (quite unlike semen, which is very high protein as well as high calorie); they largely serve as lubricants and, being alkaline, buffers for the naturally acidic bio-defensive intravaginal environment.

 

[Stella_Omega]

you make me smile, all the while I wrote that, I was thinking why did they not investigate the calories involved in muff-diving? srsly, if people only knew...

I've been out of breath and sweating after many a pussy munch session.

Plus twinges in my wrists.

And pruney fingers from all the wet...

But hey something are worth the sacrifices we make.