Nurturing New Poets

WickedEve

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I was up early because I couldn't sleep. I started reading some poetry by "unknown" poets. Many poems here send you backspacing after the first line. But I persisted. I read poetry that was, in my opinion, typical literotica fuck/submit/heartbreak poetry. Then I took a chance and clicked on the authors' names and read more of their work. Some of these people do have more to say. I read about events in their lives that could have been expressed better, but still it was obvious there was potential there.

I emailed a couple of them and invited them to the board. I know we all do that from time to time. But then I wondered what will I/we do with them when they arrive. New poets come to this board on a regular basis and many leave with what? I know some leave with no more knowledge of poetry than before they visited.

When I was new here over 2 years ago, I didn't know where to start. I had one person who was kind and made a fuss over me. That kept me coming back. Then I had two others who beat my head against the wall until I finally got what poetry was all about. Some of you arrive here with knowledge of poetry and are already good poets. But others come here on the level that I was on. I needed to be taught many basics. And I did learn them here thanks to challenges and exercises that were, well, basic.

So help me with some ideas for a "beginner" thread of sorts. Perhaps we need a sticky on this board to welcome new poets. It could include links to threads with information on poetry and various exercises. I looked through some old threads and found a thread by Unmasked Poet. It contains a wonderful exercise:

"What do you see? Often when we write poetry we see very little, this makes for bad poetry! Many of us write from emotion first and this will only lead you down the road of regurgitating what you have absorbed in someone else’s poetry or music or writing. This is why we all write the same poems particularly unpolished poets. Emotionally speaking there is nothing new. I will address this concept when I get to the heart portion. But this is about sight. Poets learn, or are born with extended vision. If you would like to find out about yours try this exercise.

Look around the room your in, now find two objects that are always in the same place. The must be inanimate objects. Now write a poem each day for five days about the object. Length is unimportant and do not compare poems from day to day just write them and place them face down in a pile. At the end of the week review what you wrote. If someone is interested in being an example send me your observations each day. I will illustrate the value of this exercise in this thread. I promise it will make you a better writer of poetry.

Vision in a poet is the primary component of a poet’s voice. You can tell who has vision and voice right away when you read or hear a poet. On our site most poets speak in a monotone one-poem sound just like another on the same subject. That is normal when you’re learning to fly. Rhyme is the biggest killer of voice. I will explain why in the voice section.

Ever wonder why in art class the teacher has everyone draw the same bowl of fruit and yet all the pictures look different? Well poetry is like that. You have to learn to see what your looking at, and then you have to draw it, and the two things are never the same."


Give me some input, please.
 
I sent Laurel a PM asking about a sticky for the top of our forum. Let me know if that's cool with you guys. I told her we would let her know when we have a Welcome to The Poetry Forum thread ready. I'm sure there's no reason not to get this as a sticky. I think it would be beneficial. I know many times we've had visitors who have been offended by our comments when they start a thread with a poem of theirs and get less than 100% praise. In a sticky we could point out that a poster needs to make it clear if they do or do not wish feedback. Of course, posting a poem to this board is rather pointless if you don't want any comments other than praise. Of course, there are many things I'd like to see in this thread. Just give me your ideas and we'll have... Angeline write it all up. :D
 
Okay, we start with a friendly welcome and then basic guidelines. I know we don't want a bunch of rules, but it would be helpful to give new posters some ideas of what to expect here. And it wrap it up with helpful links. How does that sound?

Maybe two stickies, now that I think about it. The Welcome one and one we can update with new info on the latest challenges on the board and whatever. I know our board isn't that big, but sometimes I lose track of what's happening.

Do I want too much?
 
WickedEve said:
I sent Laurel a PM asking about a sticky for the top of our forum. Let me know if that's cool with you guys. I told her we would let her know when we have a Welcome to The Poetry Forum thread ready. I'm sure there's no reason not to get this as a sticky. I think it would be beneficial. I know many times we've had visitors who have been offended by our comments when they start a thread with a poem of theirs and get less than 100% praise. In a sticky we could point out that a poster needs to make it clear if they do or do not wish feedback. Of course, posting a poem to this board is rather pointless if you don't want any comments other than praise. Of course, there are many things I'd like to see in this thread. Just give me your ideas and we'll have... Angeline write it all up. :D

I'll get you my pretty...and your little poets, too. :D

it's frightening how well you know me--i've had this very thing half writ for months
 
Angeline said:
I'll get you my pretty...and your little poets, too. :D

it's frightening how well you know me--i've had this very thing half writ for months
Well, I've brought up and I'm sure others have mentioned it in the past. I know we've tried Welcome Threads and New Poets Threads, but they get pushed to the bottom of the page and then disappear.

We need a sticky!
 
Alana Edgar said:
hi
I'm a new poet. :)
Hi. Glad you PMed and I see you found the new poems list. ;)

Angeline, if you have something already written, then all we need to do is make it a sticky. I would like to add some helpful links to it. We have some poetry exercises and information scattered throughout this board that needs to be rounded up.
 
Sticky

WickedEve said:
Hi. Glad you PMed and I see you found the new poems list. ;)

Angeline, if you have something already written, then all we need to do is make it a sticky. I would like to add some helpful links to it. We have some poetry exercises and information scattered throughout this board that needs to be rounded up.
May I suggest that we all have a chance to comment on the sticky before it is stuck.
Besides commenting on the text when available, I would suggest that we limit the forum to one sticky that includes links as well as welcome, and that the thread be closed after posting.

Regards, Rybka
 
Laurel said that when we have a link ready to the thread that she'll sticky it. :)
 
WickedEve said:
Laurel said that when we have a link ready to the thread that she'll sticky it. :)
Swheet. I didn't speak up, but I'm definitely for this. Just checking, posts in a closed thread can still be edited by the poster, right? If we add links to good resources and stuff, we sure might want to add new ones later.
 
Icingsugar said:
Swheet. I didn't speak up, but I'm definitely for this. Just checking, posts in a closed thread can still be edited by the poster, right? If we add links to good resources and stuff, we sure might want to add new ones later.
I moderate a board on another site that uses a newer version of this script and sometimes there is a time limit for editing threads, but Laurel can always "merge" threads and add new posts that way.

Regards, Rybka.
 
I'll clean up what I have and post it as a draft either later tonight or tomorrow--I'm on a deadline for my real job so hang on for a bit. :)
 
This is a great idea, Eve. I agree wholeheartedly and if there is anything I can do to help, I will. :)
 
So you don't nurture new poets like you do gardens? Hose 'em down periodically and feed 'em lots of shit? Boy am I in for a rude awakening. Can I be a new poet again?

Edited to add:

:nana: :nana: :nana: :nana:
 
The_Fool said:
So you don't nurture new poets like you do gardens? Hose 'em down periodically and feed 'em lots of shit? Boy am I in for a rude awakening. Can I be a new poet again?




You're confusing poets and mushrooms. :)

(or we could be Clintonesque and grow em, like the economy...)
 
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The_Fool said:
So you don't nurture new poets like you do gardens? Hose 'em down periodically and feed 'em lots of shit? Boy am I in for a rude awakening. Can I be a new poet again?

Edited to add:

:nana: :nana: :nana: :nana:
That's how we'll nurture you. I volunteer for hosing the fool. So what will it be? Sheer toe, control top, fishnet?
 
Lauren Hynde said:
This is a great idea, Eve. I agree wholeheartedly and if there is anything I can do to help, I will. :)
You can flash both boobies for a change to bring the new poets onto the board. :D
Actually, once Ange posts what she has, then you can make some brilliant edits to it. Then flash.
 
The edits I can handle, but I don't think I should flash. The dazzle might leave the innocent little new poets blind for a week. ;)
 
Blind Poets. Poets blinded by breasts. That's rather inspirational. lol
 
Go write a poem about it. I dare you. ;)

And you should be one to talk, with that avatar of yours... lol
 
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Lauren Hynde said:
Go write a poem about it. I dare you. ;)

And you should be one to talk, with that avatar of yours... lol
I have breasts, therefore I am... going to display them. lol
Okay, I'll try a breast blinded poet poem. :rolleyes:
 
WickedEve said:
Blind Poets. Poets blinded by breasts. That's rather inspirational. lol
Is that anything like broasted chicken? :D
 
If stickies are anything like pasties, then can I still be a new poet here please?

um what the hell is a stickie



stick itie to youie?


Oh well I am trying to do my part, making sure I try to give feedback and recognition when I can. I will try to add some new blood to the New Poetry thread...and I am getting an idea.....hmmmmmm a wonderfully awful idea.....
 
annaswirls said:
If stickies are anything like pasties, then can I still be a new poet here please?

um what the hell is a stickie
. . .
A sticky is a thread that is "stuck" at/to the top of a forum and never drops down the list as it gets older. It is always the top post whenever you open the forum board. For an example see the Editor's Forum .
 
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