Nursing homes in the age of pandemics

[Saint_Ann]

An industry that was struggling before 19. I guess we could just close 'em down and cast the old people on to the streets like we did with the crazy people.

 

[bellisarius]

Wait until the ACLU gets a hold of that idea. Another crusade in the making.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Human livestock.

 

[Rightguide]

An industry that was struggling before 19. I guess we could just close 'em down and cast the old people on to the streets like we did with the crazy people.

Cuomo's Death Houses.

 

[Comshaw]

Capitalism! Private businesses! Save them at any cost! Fuck accuracy!

Trump admin won't require nursing homes to count COVID-19 deaths that occurred before May 6

The Trump administration is not requiring nursing homes to provide data on COVID-19 deaths and cases that occurred prior to May 6, according to a public government document, limiting the accuracy of the federal data collection effort to measure the impact of the pandemic on older Americans.



Comshaw

 

[SpeareChucker]

The government will now have a reason to just print more Medicare money/benefits.




Of course, ballot harvesting for seniors will be a big issue.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Capitalism! Private businesses! Save them at any cost! Fuck accuracy!

Trump admin won't require nursing homes to count COVID-19 deaths that occurred before May 6

The Trump administration is not requiring nursing homes to provide data on COVID-19 deaths and cases that occurred prior to May 6, according to a public government document, limiting the accuracy of the federal data collection effort to measure the impact of the pandemic on older Americans.



Comshaw

Did they have a means to test for it???

 

[Saint_Ann]

Capitalism! Private businesses! Save them at any cost! Fuck accuracy!

Trump admin won't require nursing homes to count COVID-19 deaths that occurred before May 6

The Trump administration is not requiring nursing homes to provide data on COVID-19 deaths and cases that occurred prior to May 6, according to a public government document, limiting the accuracy of the federal data collection effort to measure the impact of the pandemic on older Americans.



Comshaw

So you're in favor of closing down the nursing homes and dumping grandma out on the street?

 

[Saint_Ann]

Did they have a means to test for it???

Dig 'em up.

 

[Saint_Ann]

The government will now have a reason to just print more Medicare money/benefits.




Of course, ballot harvesting for seniors will be a big issue.

NH's have to carefully balance "profitable" human livestock (Medicare patients) with non-profitable human livestock (Medicaid patients).

 

[SpeareChucker]

No testing == inflation incentive



Now what does Comshaw want to do about "reliability?"


(It is also a great tool by which to hide culpability,
"We didn't kill Grandma! Trump did!)

 

[SpeareChucker]

NH's have to carefully balance "profitable" human livestock (Medicare patients) with non-profitable human livestock (Medicaid patients).

Well, then, we must mandate that they be not-for-profits.
Not-for-profits can make money and stay in business...



:nods:

 

[Comshaw]

Did they have a means to test for it???

Apparently the capacity for ignorance and the inability to comprehend is your lot in life.

So you're in favor of closing down the nursing homes and dumping grandma out on the street?

Probably not. So let me ask, all those flu deaths that you and your compatriots claim were just as bad if not worse then this Corona virus, were they tested for and verified? Or did they make that call on symptoms?




Comshaw

 

[SpeareChucker]

Trump Didn't send those patients back...



You know that? Right?

 

[Comshaw]

Trump Didn't send those patients back...



You know that? Right?

????What are you talking about? That statement makes no sense to me in the context of the conversation. It may be lack of coffee on my part, but would you like to clarify it?

Comshaw

 

[SpeareChucker]

Cuomo sent the elderly to die, with, or without, negative confirmational testing.



That is where people are dying the most
and yet you're worried about an accurate count

because, you know, Trump is trying to cover up, or something...,

Maybe evading culpability...

You tell us, because you're being a little sly and cryptic too.

 

[Comshaw]

Cuomo sent the elderly to die, with, or without, negative confirmational testing.



That is where people are dying the most
and yet you're worried about an accurate count

because, you know, Trump is trying to cover up, or something...,

Maybe evading culpability...

You tell us, because you're being a little sly and cryptic too.

So we shouldn't try to get an accurate count? We should just rely on estimates? and who's gunna make those estimates? And why estimate when you can get a much more accurate count the way it's being done?

And this: "Cuomo sent the elderly to die, with, or without, negative confirmational testing." Makes no sense to me because I'm not sure what you are referencing. Be that as it may, what has that got to do with trying to get an accurate count of those who have died of Corvid-19? They are two separate and distinct subjects. Your accusation does not mean an accurate count should not be maintained. Or is there a reason we shouldn't?

Comshaw

 

[SpeareChucker]

Define how you get an accurate count.

 

[Comshaw]

Define how you get an accurate count.

I will assume by your request that you do not believe the count we are now doing isn't accurate. While I agree it isn't 100% accurate, it is much more so then what has been used in the past. If you don't think we can get a more accurate count the way it's being done over using estimates please explain why.


Comshaw

 

[SpeareChucker]

Because, if we count only the cases that tested positive, we would have a dead-on count.

But, and it's a big one, how many were not tested?

A lot of people for financial and political gain
have a vested interest in that estimation.

So, what we heard is that testing was too slow and too late,
so striating at the best date for testing being wide-spread
gives us a more accurate account than prior untested "possibles."
If accuracy is the metric, then a date certain is a valuable
part of establishing that metric and performance measurements.

Is that an assessment that you can agree with, or do you think
the numbers would be more accurate with educated guessing?

 

[Comshaw]

Because, if we count only the cases that tested positive, we would have a dead-on count.

But, and it's a big one, how many were not tested?

A lot of people for financial and political gain
have a vested interest in that estimation.

So, what we heard is that testing was too slow and too late,
so striating at the best date for testing being wide-spread
gives us a more accurate account than prior untested "possibles."
If accuracy is the metric, then a date certain is a valuable
part of establishing that metric and performance measurements.

Is that an assessment that you can agree with, or do you think
the numbers would be more accurate with educated guessing?

What you suggest is better then an estimate, but not as accurate as how it's being done. Counting only those who have tested positive would be even more erroneous then an estimate. The reasons being:

1) From the beginning there haven't been enough tests to test everyone suspected of dying for Corona.

2) none of the test are very accurate. The accuracy of the test have been found (depending on manufacturer) to be any where from 30 to 50% inaccurate. So trying to build a claimed accurate count on the test would be as inaccurate as an off the cuff estimate.

3) While the way it's done now isn't perfect it relys on the diagnostic skill of doctors, a skill we've relied on for a very long time and is for the most part (and has to be) accurate.

While there may be those who inflate the numbers as you suggest, there are also as many who have a reason to minimize those numbers. As it is done now is the best way we have, so far, to ascertain as accurate a count as we can of those who have died from Corvid-19.

Comshaw

 

[Comshaw]

Originally Posted by Saint_Ann View Post
So you're in favor of closing down the nursing homes and dumping grandma out on the street?

Apparently the capacity for ignorance and the inability to comprehend is your lot in life.

Originally Posted by SpeareChucker View Post
Did they have a means to test for it???

Probably not. So let me ask, all those flu deaths that you and your compatriots claim were just as bad if not worse then this Corona virus, were they tested for and verified? Or did they make that call on symptoms?



Edited to add: I posted my replies in my earlier post under the wrong quotes. Sorry. All fixed.

Comshaw

 

[Saint_Ann]

Apparently the capacity for ignorance and the inability to comprehend is your lot in life.



Probably not. So let me ask, all those flu deaths that you and your compatriots claim were just as bad if not worse then this Corona virus, were they tested for and verified? Or did they make that call on symptoms?



Edited to add: I posted my replies in my earlier post under the wrong quotes. Sorry. All fixed.

Comshaw

Dead is dead.

 

[Comshaw]

Dead is dead.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Comshaw

 

[Saint_Ann]

Stupid is as stupid does.

Comshaw

I assume you only need a tabulation for when the lawsuits begin?