Now This Administration is Conflating the Abortion and Terrorism Issue

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I used "conflate" just for CoolidgeEffect but it seemed appropriate with a statement I just read from Karen Hughes.

I posted the entire article, but I put the quotes that most directly deal with the title of this thread in bold.

Published on Sunday, May 2, 2004 by the Boston Globe
Demonizing the Women's March
by Ellen Goodman


IS IT POSSIBLE that Karen Hughes is getting a little rusty?

When she was the full-time communications director for the White House, Hughes was regarded as the supreme spinmeistress. Reporters actually got dizzy watching her pirouette in her size 12 shoes.

But now the spin is looking more like a tailspin. On a day when nearly a million women and men filled the Washington Mall for the March for Women's Lives, she made an analogy between being prolife and antiterrorist or, conversely, prochoice and proterrorist.

Wolf Blitzer asked the Bush adviser whether abortion would be an issue in this election. "Well, Wolf, it's always an issue," she answered. "And I frankly think it's changing somewhat. I think after September 11th the American people are valuing life more and realizing that we need policies to value the dignity and worth of every life."

Just in case anyone didn't get it, she added that "the fundamental difference between us and the terror network we fight is that we value every life."


With those few words, the author of a memoir that Time magazine called "all kiss and no tell" went from spin to flap. Next she weighed in with an e-mail describing the uproar as a "gross distortion."

Granted, this is an administration that doesn't want us to believe what they say. They want us to believe what they say they said. But this time she better reread her own memories of being a young journalist: "Thus began my lifelong preoccupation with choosing just the right word."

So, does Karen Hughes actually think that every prochoice voter is a nascent terrorist? Does she believe the marchers were going to fold their placards into paper airplanes and lob them at the White House? Of course not.

Is it a "gross distortion"? Remember that two years ago, the president made the same analogy in proclaiming "National Sanctity of Human Life Day": "The terrible events of that fateful day (Sept. 11) have given us, as a nation, a greater understanding about the value and wonder of life."

This is how loose lips sink political ships. Once you start talking about Sept. 11 and the value of life in the same sound bite, once you nod your head as allies talk about abortion as "murder" and doctors as "murderers, " it isn't long until you've demonized your "enemies" as "terrorists."

Let's go back to the days after 9/11 when Jerry Falwell did what Karen Hughes says she didn't do. He blamed "the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians." He said, "I point the finger in their face and say, `You helped this happen.' " Our Taliban agreed with their Taliban that America was paying for its sins.

A month later, in the midst of the anthrax jitters, 100 letters were sent out to clinics across the country from "the Army of God" as a multistate anthrax scare. This was a national reminder that clinics had long been the targets of homegrown terrorism. As Planned Parenthood's Gloria Feldt said, "Domestic and foreign terrorism are joined at the head."

For many of us, the most powerful lessons of 9/11 were quite the opposite of the ones Falwell or Hughes utter. They were lessons about cultures that breed terrorism and oppress women.

In the early days, the president patriotically and repeatedly waved the flag of women's rights in the terrorists' faces. "The central goal of the terrorists is the brutal oppression of women -- and not only the women of Afghanistan," he said. "And that is the reason this great nation, with our friends and allies, will not rest until we bring them all to justice."

Indeed Hughes, perhaps more than anyone in the White House, made a connection with Afghan women. As she writes, "I thought focusing on the plight of Afghan women and girls was a way to highlight the cruel nature of the people we were up against."

Under the Taliban, the same women who were driven out of work and forbidden to laugh out loud suffered from the second highest maternal death rate in the world. This reminded many that freedom -- maybe even "life" -- includes the freedom to make reproductive decisions.

But Hughes doesn't make those connections. She began the CNN "tailspin" interview saying "I think the president gets far too little credit for what he has done for American women." She then explained that eight of the 18 at senior staff meetings were women. And as the woman among the trio who ran the Bush campaign, she continued, she was treated and paid equally.

Well, I'm glad that this administration has worked out so well for the inner, upper circle of Bush's female defenders. Now, what about the rest of us?
 
Lavy, where were you six weeks ago when Rod Paige called the NEA and all the teachers who are members terrorists?
 
Goddamn, these people must wipe their asses with "WAR AGAINST TERRORISM" embossed toilet paper.
 
You know, what's ironic to me is that it's OPERATION RESCUE et al. that BOMB shit and pro choice people get called terrorists.
 
Lav we went through this already.....It was where Rhumb argued that Hugh's wasn't linking it.....
 
HeavyStick said:
Will this thread have a point?

The point being that slowly America is being sucked into the maelstrom of fear which Bush is creating.

Bit by bit anything that the Bush administration doesn't agree with is being classified as terrorism and critics of the system, terrorists.

Maybe you can't see that because you're too close to the trees...

But wait until you wake up one morning and wonder what happened to those halcon days when you had free speech, a government you could trust and life without self-induced fear...

ppman
 
p_p_man said:
The point being that slowly America is being sucked into the maelstrom of fear which Bush is creating.

Bit by bit anything that the Bush administration doesn't agree with is being classified as terrorism and critics of the system, terrorists.

Maybe you can't see that because you're too close to the trees...

But wait until you wake up one morning and wonder what happened to those halcon days when you had free speech, a government you could trust and life without self-induced fear...

ppman

yes-Its called pussy fighing......GO figure..:)

yes-I.E. see link with hugh's saying Abortion is like the war on terror...the bush Admin. is whoring out the terrorism term.Using it whenever they can.

dunno

um, eh both sides blame the other for this one..
 
p_p_man said:
The point being that slowly America is being sucked into the maelstrom of fear which Bush is creating.

Bit by bit anything that the Bush administration doesn't agree with is being classified as terrorism and critics of the system, terrorists.


What if we made pro-Bush porn? Like some unshaved lesbians [sorry--bad pun] with body-paint Bush ads.

Would Ashcroft prosecute? He's initiating an anti-porn campaign, but his job is contingent on another Bush pResidency.



Maybe you can't see that because you're too close to the trees...

That's not exactly fair. I live less than two football fields away from GWB, but I can sure as fuck see it.

Speaking of which, I think I saw Dick Cheney's motorcade today [it was certainly a political bigwig's]. Did you know metro police have a special, Reallyfuckingannoying, siren for when they're leading VIPs?


But wait until you wake up one morning and wonder what happened to those halcon days when you had free speech, a government you could trust and life without self-induced fear...

I won't wonder, nor will that strike me suddently. It happened after the electoral frauds and abuses of power committed by Governor Jeb Bush.
 
plasmaball said:
the bush Admin. is whoring out the terrorism term.Using it whenever they can.

Very similar to the McArthur days of the Communist fear and the consequential injustices.

ppman
 
p_p_man said:
Very similar to the McArthur days of the Communist fear and the consequential injustices.

ppman

um i guess...wasn;t alive..:)

But really do you blame them?
 
plasmaball said:
But really do you blame them?

Of course. To succumb to paranoia whether it's over communism or terrorism is a form of temporary insanity.

I was alive in those days (still am would you believe?... :) ) and America wasn't the only country that was involved in the cold war and today America isn't the only country involved in terrorism...

But America is the only country that allows itself to be stifled by bogey-men from whatever source.

Even Spain with its recent tragedy and Bali with theirs haven't resorted to the mass hysteria which Bush and his gang are trying to instil into Americans...

ppman
 
p_p_man said:
Of course. To resort to paranoia whether it's over communism or terrorism is a form of temporary insanity.

I was alive in those days (still am would you believe?... :) ) and America wasn't the only country that was involved in the cold war and today America isn't the only country involved in terrorism...

But America is the only country that allows itself to be stifled by bogey-men from whatever source.

Even Spain with its recent tragedy and Bali with theirs haven't resorted to the mass hysteria which Bush and his gang are trying to instil into Americans...

ppman

no i think any sitting president would use it....Not for the same terms, but for there own personal wants.....
 
p_p_man said:
The point being that slowly America is being sucked into the maelstrom of fear which Bush is creating.

Bit by bit anything that the Bush administration doesn't agree with is being classified as terrorism and critics of the system, terrorists.

Maybe you can't see that because you're too close to the trees...

But wait until you wake up one morning and wonder what happened to those halcon days when you had free speech, a government you could trust and life without self-induced fear...

ppman


Well this is a first i agree with you on this.
 
p_p_man said:
The point being that slowly America is being sucked into the maelstrom of fear which Bush is creating.

Bit by bit anything that the Bush administration doesn't agree with is being classified as terrorism and critics of the system, terrorists.

Maybe you can't see that because you're too close to the trees...

But wait until you wake up one morning and wonder what happened to those halcon days when you had free speech, a government you could trust and life without self-induced fear...

ppman

Hi ppman . . . did you know that today is the 40th anniversary of the Kent State University assassination by National Guardsmen of students protesting against the Vietnam War? Seemed appropriate when considering your point. The Kent State massacre turned the anti-Vietnam campaign up a notch and was the beginning of the end for the War effort.

Sadly your scenario of another term of the Bush Family Dynasty of Appointed Presidents is not too far from reality.

One immediate consequence of a Shrub win in 2004 must be a return of conscription/draft to supply the military cannon fodder for the illegal occupation of Iraq protecting the assets acquired by Shrubbies bosses, the multinational oil corporations.

Elements of the National Guard Occupation Force presently serving in Iraq have disgraced themselves under orders . . . and been punished by a slap on the wrist with a wet tram ticket . . . I'll bet William Calley is smiling . . . and I'll bet that the senior officers who gave the orders don't even get that . . .

The only thing that will save Americans and the world from the Bush Family Dynasty of Appointed presidents will be for all Americans to register now and vote Democrat in November 2004 . . . America needs an intelligent President . . .

:)
 
Don K Dyck said:
One immediate consequence of a Shrub win in 2004 must be a return of conscription/draft to supply the military cannon fodder for the illegal occupation of Iraq protecting the assets acquired by Shrubbies bosses, the multinational oil corporations.

Morniing/afternoon/evening Don...

No I didn't know it was the 40th Anniversary of the Kent State murders. Thanks for reminding me of my age! :) I remember seeing the news on TV at the time and thought America had gone completely nuts. But's that's before Bush came on the scene...

Yep. I agree. Another win for Bush will give him the impetus he needs to bring in far more sweeping, restrictive legislation. The conscription/draft/call up will be just one thing I reckon he just can't wait to get going...

After all every megolomaniac leader needs a strong military around him. I haven't yet come across a dictator who hadn't...

ppman
 
lavender said:
I used "conflate" just for CoolidgeEffect but it seemed appropriate with a statement I just read from Karen Hughes.

I posted the entire article, but I put the quotes that most directly deal with the title of this thread in bold.
Did you miss the first paragraph, when it explained that Hughes is no longer working for the White House?

TB4p
 
Re: Re: Now This Administration is Conflating the Abortion and Terrorism Issue

teddybear4play said:
Did you miss the first paragraph, when it explained that Hughes is no longer working for the White House?

TB4p

"Wolf Blitzer asked the Bush adviser....." <snip>

2nd paragraph.
 
Re: Re: Now This Administration is Conflating the Abortion and Terrorism Issue

teddybear4play said:
Did you miss the first paragraph, when it explained that Hughes is no longer working for the White House?

TB4p

along with the fact that she just came back cuz they need her help.
 
Re: Re: Re: Now This Administration is Conflating the Abortion and Terrorism Issue

Freya said:
"Wolf Blitzer asked the Bush adviser....." <snip>

2nd paragraph.
True enough.

But just how much does she represent "the administration" when she's just an adviser?

TB4p
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Now This Administration is Conflating the Abortion and Terrorism Issue

teddybear4play said:
True enough.

But just how much does she represent "the administration" when she's just an adviser?

TB4p

"Adviser" is her title..."mouthpiece" is her job...

ppman
 
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