Now the finger pointing starts (political)

[rgraham666]

Hilarious!

 

[Shwenn]

Still with the socialism.

 

[off2bed]

Still with the socialism.

Yes, the Democrats are still with the Socialism. Their Fascist attitude is only the first step.

 

[epiphany65]

I think some Republicans have been sharpening their knives for weeks. Now they're just waiting for others to turn their backs. Plain may have to sleep on her side for a long time after they're finished with her.

 

[neonlyte]

Hilarious!

It is dis-heartening, Rob. Hell, no smut writer complains when they only get a 1 vote

 

[Stella_Omega]

It is dis-heartening, Rob. Hell, no smut writer complains when they only get a 1 vote

No 'cause we're too principled, and too honorable for that.

 

[jomar]

I should hope so. Somebody has to take the heat for the dress that Michelle Obama wore last night!

 

[epiphany65]

I should hope so. Somebody has to take the heat for the dress that Michelle Obama wore last night!

LOL! What was with that anyway? She looked like an extra in a Motley Crue video.

 

[Shwenn]

Yes, the Democrats are still with the Socialism. Their Fascist attitude is only the first step.

Looks more like developmentalism to me.

Developmentalism has had a pretty good track record by my reckoning.

And there doesn't seem to be any economic strategy endemic to fascist dictatorships.

Milton Friedman was an advisor to Pinochet, lest we forget.

 

[epiphany65]

Yes, the Democrats are still with the Socialism. Their Fascist attitude is only the first step.

This statement seems to indicate you have no idea about what fascism really is, as defined by Mussolini anyway. Accusing Socialists of being Fascists is hilariously (is that a word?) wrong.

(Insert bad pun about oxymoron here ______ )

 

[Weird Harold]

LOL! What was with that anyway? She looked like an extra in a Motley Crue video.

My first thought was that her dress bore a remarkable resemblance to a blackwidow spider's markings.

 

[rgraham666]

Looks more like developmentalism to me.

Developmentalism has had a pretty good track record by my reckoning.

And there doesn't seem to be any economic strategy endemic to fascist dictatorships.

Milton Friedman was an advisor to Pinochet, lest we forget.

Actually there is a distinct economic theory historically attached Fascism; Corporatism.

In fact most of the Western world is corporatist in nature. Much of our lives is ruled by 'corporations', that is, special interest groups from those in the business world to those of the various professions.

I dislike it because it cuts the citizen off from their power, and like all ideologies opposes the idea of individual responsibility. But, as Hegel pointed out, it is more 'rational' than democracy.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

IMO, the GOP cut a devil's bargain with the Fundamentalist Ignoramii in order to win elections. Now the devil is demanding his due with policies that intrude into the private lives of those who don't march in lockstep to the Social Conservative drum. It will cost the Republicans heavily, in the same way that the idiotic programs of the Great Society cost the Democrats. Govern carefully, spend wisely, tax carefully and leave the citizens alone. It has worked for America every time a party has been willing to take this road and has always turned against those whose sense of self-righteousness exceeds their good judgement.

 

[Shwenn]

Actually there is a distinct economic theory historically attached Fascism; Corporatism.

That was because of Mussolini, wasn't it?

He was the first fascist and his pet economic theory was corporatism.

The two don't really go hand in hand.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

VM

You dont get it.

In 1976 almost every public official in this county was a Democrat. Today only one of them is a Democrat. But they didnt stop acting like Democrats, they simply switched brands, Ford for Chevy.

Republican politicians cannot win elections as moderates, so theyre addicted to the right wing conservative Nazis, like me. If they dont go to the prom with me they stay home. When they play footsie with the moderates they lose their jobs.

 

[Liar]

My first thought was that her dress bore a remarkable resemblance to a blackwidow spider's markings.

Maybe she misread the calendar, Haloween wasn't that long ago.

 

[lisa123414]

The analysis on NPR today was that it was (the fault of) the Reptilian Right.

"In order to win they must destroy, in order to govern they must humiliate"

Bill Moyers


cite: http://www.npr.org/templates/player...ion=1&t=1&islist=false&id=96648963&m=96650934

 

[Kev H]

Hilarious!

Interesting article, even if posted with your comical tone, Rob, but thanks for posting. Here's another interesting one: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122585703357500345.html

Interesting because even as I (educated independent) thoroughly enjoy the drubbing we gave the neo-cons, I wonder if the message against their pathetic ideologies will be heard clearly enough within the power struggle that's about to happen (note the article's mention of the next big Repub venue). We (independents) are more interested in seeing two viable parties than one good one and one set of gimps. That's not healthy for America. So, it will indeed be very interesting to see how the Republicans work themselves out, and the very beginning of this process begins now, with this seemingly petty finger-pointing (but more important than that, in terms of analysis).

And I wrote all that without cracking a grin even once...well maybe a tiny . But seriously, not only do I hope that Obama and crew chart a course toward better foreign relations and economic stability (and accountability), but I hope Republicans accurately diagnose all their faults (a long list) and how Obama beat them, often, at their own game, and come together with a much stronger (read: more realistic and palatable) set of values. Ones that don't include vicious people like Palin and Cheney and Rove and...well, most of the Religious Right.

 

[DeeZire]

The analysis on NPR today was that it was (the fault of) the Reptilian Right.

"In order to win they must destroy, in order to govern they must humiliate"

Bill Moyers


cite: http://www.npr.org/templates/player...ion=1&t=1&islist=false&id=96648963&m=96650934

I heard that NPR piece too. I can see why the neocons are so afraid of Bill Moyers. He has a talent for articulating complicated concepts in a down-to-earth way, pulling the veil off of the Wizard of Oz that is trying to run the Right Wing from behind the curtain.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

IMO, the GOP cut a devil's bargain with the Fundamentalist Ignoramii in order to win elections. Now the devil is demanding his due with policies that intrude into the private lives of those who don't march in lockstep to the Social Conservative drum. It will cost the Republicans heavily, in the same way that the idiotic programs of the Great Society cost the Democrats. Govern carefully, spend wisely, tax carefully and leave the citizens alone. It has worked for America every time a party has been willing to take this road and has always turned against those whose sense of self-righteousness exceeds their good judgement.

Rarely has a liberal written something so clearly reasonable and succinct. Typical American pragmatism, which is what we need right now. Even a rightist ideologue like me knows that practicality matters more than ideology right now. Especially in America, which has always been more down-to-earth and less ideological than most countries.

Mind you, it doesn't appeal to the perfectionist in me, but much as I hate to admit, politics is (who said this again) the art of the possible.

Then again, maybe my political philosophy is just plain moving to the center. Stranger things have happened. I started out my political activism as a social conservative/theocrat, after all. Perhaps hard-core Libertarianism was just a phase, too. I am a disciple of Aristotle and the Stoics, after all. Moderation, or the "golden mean" is a key principle of those moral philosophies.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Bill Moyers has it all wrong.

Americans are idealists.

The left wants license to do as you damned well please, and the right says 'but you aint gonna do it in the street!' One side wants to run riot in their Underoos, and the other demands that the assclowns pull their pants up.

 

[cloudy]

Rarely has a liberal written something so clearly reasonable and succinct.

yeah...all us liberals are so st-st-st-stupid.



(it wasn't liberals calling educated people "the elite." Get your facts straight)

 

[rgraham666]

Especially in America, which has always been more down-to-earth and less ideological than most countries.

No offense, Sev. But it doesn't look that way to those of us from the outside of your country.

And we don't regard America as less ideological. America is the most nationalistic of all the Western nations. America is very certain that its values are the most important ones and the rest of the world can't wait to become Americans. That was one of the main selling points of the Iraq War, that it would 'spread freedom'.

America is a highly ideological nation in the rest of the world's view.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

America is a highly ideological nation in the rest of the world's view.

Yes. And it's a lot more ideological than Sev's obviously willing to admit.

 

[ishtat]

A number of people have commented on changes in the republicans and conflicts between the religious and social conservatives and the rest of their party, however, the Dems have some interesting changes too. The hugely increased black vote is a welcome revolution in voting habits but these new voters are also it seems social conservatives and probably responsible for the prop 8 result.

Obama will be well aware of their overwhelming support and may dismay some liberals with a cautious approach to social reform. He will also be conscious of how Clinton was savaged in the 94' Congressional elections after supporting liberal social reform(gays in military etc). I think the best he can do on social issues given the States rights in those areas is to be careful, make absolutely sure of two terms and stuff the Supreme court with liberal and youngish judges,

I would also like to put a question. Given that the black vote appears to be fairly conservative do you think that this major and likely permanent addition to the Democratic vote will ensure that no woman will be able to ensure the support of the party for the presidency for the forseeable future?