Now That The War Has Started, Let's Get Behind The Effort To Win

[Marxist]

I've been against the war since it was first proposed BUT now that it's on, I'm in favor of crushing all resistance to American corporate interests.

 

[lavender]

I've been against the war since it was first proposed BUT now that it's on, I'm in favor of crushing all resistance to American corporate interests.

I'm sorry you still feel this way.

 

[HeavyStick]

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(TY Rastapope)

 

[Blazes B.]

I've been against the war since it was first proposed BUT now that it's on, I'm in favor of crushing all resistance to American corporate interests.

I almost agree.

(I know, you don't care, I'm a stoopid newbie who doesn't deserve an opinion, blah, blah, blah, get over it.)

I think all the reasons given for being there are totally bogus, we don't generally care when despots kill their own, we don't do "nationbuilding," whatever. Saddam's bad, we're there, let's get it done quickly. We'll need to regroup when we spend the next fifty years trying to put the pieces of the "New World Order" back together.

 

[lavender]

Re: Re: Now That The War Has Started, Let's Get Behind The Effort To Win

I almost agree.

(I know, you don't care, I'm a stoopid newbie who doesn't deserve an opinion, blah, blah, blah, get over it.)

I think all the reasons given for being there are totally bogus, we don't generally care when despots kill their own, we don't do "nationbuilding," whatever. Saddam's bad, we're there, let's get it done quickly. We'll need to regroup when we spend the next fifty years trying to put the pieces of the "New World Order" back together.

Actually, I can cite at least 2 examples that refute this.

1. Bosnia/Croatia/Serbia
2. Somalia (although it was a failed mission)

We do nationbuilding. We care when despots kill their own. If you don't think so, you are obvious oblivious to much of international politics.

And it doesn't matter that you're a newbie, if you were an oldie I'd be a lot more of a bitch to this post.

 

[miles]

It's not about oil, but a clandestine plot to corner the world hummus market.

 

[loveyamon]

I've been against the war since it was first proposed BUT now that it's on, I'm in favor of crushing all resistance to American corporate interests.

Touchdown !! The extra point is good !! Rubber bullets for the protesters and lead for the rest.

 

[Blazes B.]

Re: Re: Re: Now That The War Has Started, Let's Get Behind The Effort To Win

Actually, I can cite at least 2 examples that refute this.

1. Bosnia/Croatia/Serbia
2. Somalia (although it was a failed mission)

We do nationbuilding. We care when despots kill their own. If you don't think so, you are obvious oblivious to much of international politics.

And it doesn't matter that you're a newbie, if you were an oldie I'd be a lot more of a bitch to this post.

You're speaking of a previous administration. This one had a campaign promise against "nationbuilding." Specifically (as I recall) in refutation of the examples you cited.

We (I mean the government now, as in "we, the people") really don't have much interest in what despots do, unless it effects other national interests. I think our efforts in the former Yugoslavia were based on historical precedent (Guns of August and all)--we know what a mess Europe could become if things got too far out of hand there. But even there, it's Europe, they're like (or were until recently) "us." Rwanda/Burundi--not so much. Myanmar? Khampuchea? Guess again.

 

[Rhys]

only if we can use lance as a human shield

 

[Lancecastor]

only if we can use lance as a human shield

As long as we're invading Panama City.*










*florida

 

[His_sugar]

Re: Re: Re: Now That The War Has Started, Let's Get Behind The Effort To Win

Actually, I can cite at least 2 examples that refute this.

1. Bosnia/Croatia/Serbia
2. Somalia (although it was a failed mission)

We do nationbuilding. We care when despots kill their own. If you don't think so, you are obvious oblivious to much of international politics.

And it doesn't matter that you're a newbie, if you were an oldie I'd be a lot more of a bitch to this post.

It would be nice if we would spend the 'rebuilding' money on schools ( books, computers, updated buildings, TEACHERS SALARIES ), more social service workers, more cost effective healthcare for everyone...

But hey, as long as they are rebuilt over there, guess we can take care of our own, right?

 

[lavender]

His_sugar,

First of all, education is left up mostly to the states. Most people would be glad of this, because it allows for education to be more tailored to the needs of the state citizenry. It also gives the state's more autonomy over their education. As for social programs, a few years ago, I saw pie charts for the amount of money our government spends as a percentage of our GDP. For social services, we spend well over 40% of our budget - when you consider Medicaid, Medicare etc. Only 1% of our GDP goes towards foreign assistance (outside of defense).

Just thought I'd let you know since you are so concerned with us spending our money helping other nation's while forsaking our own.

 

[Rhys]

um this is a wee bit off topic but...Lance did you hear about all the hospitals in Toronto being quaranteened because of that Hong Kong upper resperatory infection?

don't get the sniffles.

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: Now That The War Has Started, Let's Get Behind The Effort To Win

Touchdown !! The extra point is good !! Rubber bullets for the protesters and lead for the rest.

Amen

 

[His_sugar]

His_sugar,

First of all, education is left up mostly to the states. Most people would be glad of this, because it allows for education to be more tailored to the needs of the state citizenry. It also gives the state's more autonomy over their education. As for social programs, a few years ago, I saw pie charts for the amount of money our government spends as a percentage of our GDP. For social services, we spend well over 40% of our budget - when you consider Medicaid, Medicare etc. Only 1% of our GDP goes towards foreign assistance (outside of defense).

Just thought I'd let you know since you are so concerned with us spending our money helping other nation's while forsaking our own.

Feel free to bring your big calculated numbers into the inner cities, to a funeral where a child has been starved, beaten, pierced, burned and sexually abused ( and she was 9 months old ) and give a warm touching speech about how our Government is doing such a fabulous job caring for our own people.

i want more for my son. Alot more.

And by the way, opinions are free.. everyone can have one, regardless of if it matches yours or not.

 

[Lancecastor]

Hi_sugar,

Hi_Sweetie,

I think you guys should mend your own fences before blowing a few hundred billion and a bunch of teenage boys on wars for "nationbuilding" (aka colonization).

Charity begins @home.

 

[Azwed]

The percent of foreign aid we send out is truly pathetic.

It is much less then 1% of GDP and most of the foreign aid we sound out is military AID. IN 2002 our foreign aid jumped above 1% for the first time in years and this was largely due to the massive amount of military aid we sent to Pakistan.

 

[lavender]

Feel free to bring your big calculated numbers into the inner cities, to a funeral where a child has been starved, beaten, pierced, burned and sexually abused ( and she was 9 months old ) and give a warm touching speech about how our Government is doing such a fabulous job caring for our own people.

i want more for my son. Alot more.

And by the way, opinions are free.. everyone can have one, regardless of if it matches yours or not.

A world that is not safe is actually more harmful for our own citizens than spending money to secure the world.

For example, were we not to go into Iraq, if we didn't engage North Korea and insist that they halt their nuclear buildup. Should an arms race ignite in Asia, do you know what will happen? The United States will begin arming its military as it did in the Reagan years. I understand that we were trying to out-spend the Soviet Union, but, if we have so many pockets of problems in the world, our defense/military budget has to increase. If we don't alleviate these problems, those moneys that are supposed to help the poor, the homeless, the poor children, will be spent building weapons to defend our nation, even if we are not launching a "supposed" offensive.

Think about the Reagan years, there weren't lots of conflicts (other than Grenada), we weren't spending a lot of money on humanitarian endeavors, and yet in our nation - we had a greater problem of homelessness, we had more poverty, the problems in the inner city were even more severe.

His_sugar, I want those things too. I just know that reasonable, rational policy decisions based on facts, based on numbers, and based upon economic, military and political theory are essential for creating sound domestic policy which will allow our nation and people to prosper.

 

[Lancecastor]

um this is a wee bit off topic but...Lance did you hear about all the hospitals in Toronto being quaranteened because of that Hong Kong upper resperatory infection?

don't get the sniffles.

Yeah, it's a huge deal in Toronto right now...it's gotten to the point where ...forget hospitals...cab traffic has fallen off because people are afraid the previous passenger (or immigrant driver) might be infected.

One Chinese restaurant owner reported a 70% drop in business in 2 days after a rumour started that one of his workers was infected.

Thousands of health care workers are quarantined.

On the upside...Dim Sum has gotten reallly cheap.

 

[Master Control]

I've been against the war since it was first proposed BUT now that it's on, I'm in favor of crushing all resistance to American corporate interests.

AMEN

 

[Lancecastor]

A world that is not safe is actually more harmful for our own citizens than spending money to secure the world.

This is a great example of the irrational Fear neo-conservatives are using to take your freedoms away.

Fool.

 

[Master Control]

This is a great example of the irrational Fear neo-conservatives are using to take your freedoms away.

Fool.

I like that