Now America has changed theGovernmentin Afghanistan...

[p_p_man]

will she be sending out thousands of DEA agents in an attempt to crush the poppy trade.

There's been a huge proliferation of poppy seed sowing since theTaleban left (at least that was one thing they got right) but who's going to tell the local war lords not to do it?

I can't see Bush getting his mind round that one. After all he's still struggling with the status of the prisoners held on Cuba, Enron and working out where he's going to invade next.

I'm not even going to mention his promise to show us his alternative to Kyoto by last Fall, the MDS system which has yet to be developed, and where he's going to say the next bin Laden video was found.

Maybe it's time for another pretzel!

pp

 

[sigh]

damn, i hate it when this damn brit keeps closer tabs on our president than i do

(jotting notes as quickly as i can)

~raising my hand~ is your island really surrounded by water?

 

[KillerMuffin]

That's interesting that ewe say that, pee pea man. I thought it was kind of suspicious that wee went inn they're and rhea moved the Tally ban from power. Eye think that the Germans are also involved with the hole drug interdiction thing that the DEA has gotten inn two over their inn Afghanistan. After awl, every won met inn Germany two halve the summit meeting on who wood bee the interim government inn Afghanistan now that the US has gotten rid of the Tally ban. Its awl clear two me now. The hole thing has been a plot from the very beginning. The entire Western have of the world is out two get Afghanistan.

Wow, pea pea man, who knew ewe were sew smart?

 

[p_p_man]

damn, i hate it when this damn brit keeps closer tabs on our president than i do

(jotting notes as quickly as i can)

~raising my hand~ is your island really surrounded by water?

I'll send you my Bush sources if you like...

Yep but it's only 20 miles to France so it's an island only by definition.

Hey you've just given me another idea for a thread!

"Why does the Right wing keep insisting that the UK is an island. Do they hope that by saying it often enough it gives us the right to be isolationist?"

Sheesh!"

Thanks sigh. Watch out for it next week once I've done my research!

KillerMuffin: I agree. I think.

ppman

 

[Frimost]

Well, first of all the missile defense system has been developed, it has just not been deployed. Learn the difference in terms there, it has been made and successfully tested. Hence, it has already been developed.

Second of all, why don't you worry more about your own damn problems before butting your nose into ours.

Hmmm, when are YOU Brits going to give Gibraltar back to Spain? Sounds like its going to be pretty soon as Tony Blair's government is already in negotiation with Jose Maria Anzar's administration.

When is the Falkland Islands going to revert to Argentinean rule?

When are you going to allow the autonomous regions of Scotland and Wales secede from your rule?

What are you going to do about Northern Ireland? When will the Republic of Ireland regain control of it?

Speaking of changing governments, I seem to remember YOUR country changing the government of Sierra Leone just the other year, forget that? I haven't, allow I agreed with your decision you should not cast stones. What is the difference between your countries battles with the RUF (Revolutionary United Front) rebels of Foday Sankoh and Major General Johnny Paul Koroma’s military Armed Forces Revolutionary Council (AFRC) Government, and ours with the Taliban and Al-Quida? Oh yea, the difference is our enemies attacked us first!

Instead of worrying about our terrorists, what don't you worry more about your own terrorists, there certainly are enough of them to keep you occupied and quite busy.


1. The IRA (Provisional Irish Republican Army)
2. The Real IRA ( Real Irish Republican Army)
3. INLA (Irish National Liberation Army)
4. The Red Hand Defenders
5. Continuity Irish Republican Army (CIRA)
6. the Orange Volunteers
7. Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF)
8. Ulster Freedom Fighters
9. Ulster Defence Association

 

[p_p_man]

Well, first of all the missile defense system has been developed, it has just not been deployed. Learn the difference in terms there, it has been made and successfully tested. Hence, it has already been developed.

Second of all, why don't you worry more about your own damn problems before butting your nose into ours.

Hmmm, when are YOU Brits going to give Gibraltar back to Spain? Sounds like its going to be pretty soon as Tony Blair's government is already in negotiation with Jose Maria Anzar's administration.

When is the Falkland Islands going to revert to Argentinean rule?

When are you going to allow the autonomous regions of Scotland and Wales secede from your rule?

What are you going to do about Northern Ireland? When will the Republic of Ireland regain control of it?

Speaking of changing governments, I seem to remember YOUR country changing the government of Sierra Leone just the other year, forget that? I haven't, allow I agreed with your decision you should not cast stones. What is the difference between your countries battles with the RUF (Revolutionary United Front) rebels of Foday Sankoh and Major General Johnny Paul Koroma’s military Armed Forces Revolutionary Council (AFRC) Government, and ours with the Taliban and Al-Quida? Oh yea, the difference is our enemies attacked us first!

Instead of worrying about our terrorists, what don't you worry more about your own terrorists, there certainly are enough of them to keep you occupied and quite busy.


1. The IRA (Provisional Irish Republican Army)
2. The Real IRA ( Real Irish Republican Army)
3. INLA (Irish National Liberation Army)
4. The Red Hand Defenders
5. Continuity Irish Republican Army (CIRA)
6. the Orange Volunteers
7. Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF)
8. Ulster Freedom Fighters
9. Ulster Defence Association

Don't try to divert me!

We're talking about poppies here...

Bush was just a sideline. Where most days I think he should remain.

Sidelined.

 

[Frimost]

I don't care what your speaking about

I was making a point here, which sadly, so few people here seem to have the knowledge to call you on your hypocrisy.

I haven't been here long and already I can tell you perpetually criticize of US policy and come of sounding smug, arrogant, and without class.

Bill Clinton may have been better for YOU and the UN but her was much worse to us (at least as pertains to foreign policy).

Here is a hint smarty-pants. When WE elected Bush we elected him to be OUR president, NOT your president and not the head of the UN. So he does what's in the best interest of OUR democracy, just as Tony Blair does what he thinks is in the best interest of YOU country and Jacques Chirac does what's in the best interest of France. You don't like it? Too bad, that's the way the World works so quit whining about it.

We are of different ideological orientation but we have some things in common. However, you need to keep things in perspective about real politic.

 

[Frimost]

This should make it very easy for you

Until Mohammad Kharzai was recently elected, here are the results of the last democratic election in Afghanistan:

"chief of state:
President Burhanuddin RABBANI (Interim President July-December 1992; President since 2 January 1993); Vice President Mohammad NABI MOHAMMADI (since NA); election last held 31 December 1992 (next to be held NA); results - Burhanuddin RABBANI was elected to a two-year term by a national shura, later amended by multi-party agreement to 18 months; note - in June 1994 failure to agree on a transfer mechanism resulted in RABBANI's extending the term to 28 December 1994; following the expiration of the term and while negotiations on the formation of a new government go on, RABBANI continues in office "

Who elected Mullah Omar? No one! Therefor the recognized government of Afghanistan was the Northern Alliance chief Burhanuddin Rabbani. Thus, we did NOT change the government of Afghanistan and all Taliban and al-Quida operatives do NOT fall under the protection afforded to people acting on behalf of a sovereign nation in warfare with us.

Before any of you liberal democrats get snippy out there about de-facto control or other excuses. I seem to remember the US government recognizing Haitian President Jean Bapiste Aristide (the pet cause of the left-wing here) long after he was deposed by military strongman Raoul Cedras (until we re-installed that radical socialist to the throne of Haiti during Clinton's little crusade there).

 

[p_p_man]

Quoted from Frimost:

"I was making a point here, which sadly, so few people here seem to have the knowledge to call you on your hypocrisy."

Many people have and do but as you say you haven't been here long enough yet.

My interest in US politics stems from when I first saw reports coming in about the debacle in Florida. Before that I saw your politics as something that was homegrown but something of no particular interest to myself.

Florida I, and most people in the world, considered a joke, nothing more. Shocking, but a joke in the sense that "Oh yeah the Yanks are great at telling other people how to run their elections. But look at the fuckers now".

But then Bush sprang into action.

I don't have to list all the anti-global actions he's committed America to since he's been in office. You should know them as well as I do. But at that time this Board was full of posters like yourself saying how America was the "greatest" the "best" had the "biggest" was the most "democratic" was the only country that had "free speech", and knew what was "best" for the rest of us.

The pure arrogance, pomposity and lack of knowledge of world events, began to come through as though all Americans were stupid rednecks who had one stock phrase "Nuke 'em all".

You have brought those days back to me (and it was only a year ago)

America does not live in this world in isolation. Indeed the whole world is acting more and more in an interdependent manner. Bush made the naive and inexplicable conclusion that America could go it alone. You write and sound as if you agree with him.

Well the bad news, for you anyway, is that America has to live with the rest of us. And if she sets herself up to be the Leader of the Western World, a role I have no problems with, then I, as a member of that Western World, have every right to criticise, condemn or otherwise mock decisions I feel are wrong. For whatever reason.

Bush may now be coming around to realising that he does not run an autonomous country, able to bully itself around the world. Or he should be after Afghanistan, which he couldn't handle without the help of many of us outsiders who "have no right to criticise America".

But you obviously haven't.

The mere fact that you mention Blair in the way you do shows your own lack of understanding on the matter. Of course Blair does what he thinks is right for the UK, but in addition, all of his speeches have the cornerstone message that we live in an interdependent world.

Something I don't hear from Bush very often, if at all. And probably never will from yourself.

Europe is in the process of forming a new country.

America had better get used to it and start talking to other nations without the "we are best" attitude. Which I think she will once Bush is out of th way and somebody more stable is in the White House.

So, as I said, this thread is about poppies but you've successfully diverted me when this debate could do with a thread of it's own, so that other posters would see it and have an opportunity to have their say.

ppman

 

[Frimost]

Ok

Go and have your poppy fields, but quite acting like a snob, that is the domain of the French stereotype not the gentile British man.
We will simply withhold developmental aid if they keep growing poppy, that’s how we will influence their decisions (by hitting them hard in the pocket book).


It dose not matter much what goes on about the poppy cultivation in Afghanistan. Even if they stamp it out, any slack in production will be taken-up by Myanmar. The Burmese rebel groups there affiliated with the former communist movements are sponsored by the SLORC military government and will gladly become the sole proprietor of drugs in the region (and in importing drugs to Europe). I am sure they would LOVE to have a monopoly on the market of getting you high. I haven't even mentioned the vast poppy fields still in the Bekka valley in Lebanon, so don't worry about your dwindling opium supply.

Go ahead and start a new thread about anything you wish (as pertaining to US international relations). I will willingly debate you on any subject you wish (which I find interesting).

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Ok

Go and have your poppy fields

Don't want to now...

 

[mig]

Yep but it's only 20 miles to France so it's an island only by definition.
ppman

Does that mean if you walk to France you won't get your feet
wet.

 

[sigh]

Does that mean if you walk to France you won't get your feet
wet.

thank you, mig for bringing this thread back around to it's original purpose

so anyway, p_p, before we were so rudely diverted, i was going to ask (since you live on an island) if your coconuts were overly large, or just average?

my god, is that a banana in your pocket.....?

does this qualify me as a troll? (please say yes...i've always wanted to be one)

 

[p_p_man]

Does that mean if you walk to France you won't get your feet
wet.

Only if you're English. God's real chosen people...

 

[mig]

Only if you're English. God's real chosen people...

Applause from the audience.

Some of us anyway

 

[p_p_man]

thank you, mig for bringing this thread back around to it's original purpose

so anyway, p_p, before we were so rudely diverted, i was going to ask (since you live on an island) if your coconuts were overly large, or just average?

my god, is that a banana in your pocket.....?

does this qualify me as a troll? (please say yes...i've always wanted to be one)

Yes

Yes

Yes