Novels and Novellas or multiple categories?

[0SumGame]

I have a story (34k words) that I'd love to put on here, but it doesn't fit well in any one category. Is it better to post it in Novels and Novellas or to split it up and post it in multiple parts, each in different categories? The categories it fits are Exhibitionist and Voyeur, Erotic Couplings, and Group Sex.

 

[Blind_Justice]

I have a story (34k words) that I'd love to put on here, but it doesn't fit well in any one category. Is it better to post it in Novels and Novellas or to split it up and post it in multiple parts, each in different categories? The categories it fits are Exhibitionist and Voyeur, Erotic Couplings, and Group Sex.

I'd suggest either EC or Group. They have more eyeballs than E/V or NN, with Group being the more popular category while EC has a wide range of topics which might result in more favourable scores.

Sorry, probably not that helpful.

 

[0SumGame]

I'd suggest either EC or Group. They have more eyeballs than E/V or NN, with Group being the more popular category while EC has a wide range of topics which might result in more favourable scores.

Sorry, probably not that helpful.

That's very helpful. Thank you!

 

[RejectReality]

If the group sex is the finale, then absolutely go with Group Sex from the three choices you have there. The readership doesn't mind some other fun building up to the threesome or moresome.

If there's a theme of E&V throughout the other things, then you could go with that.

By my personal code, the inclusion of the group sex disqualifies Erotic Couplings as a potential category for the whole story.

If none of the above apply, you'll probably want to categorize each section by its kink ( or in the case of EC, lack thereof )

You really only want to use Novels and Novellas when you have a long story with a lot of cross-category action, no dominant theme that will fit another category, and a fair percentage of kinks that could be potentially triggering for readers. With reasonably "safe" kinks such as you've mentioned, posting each chapter to appropriate categories will garner more readers than N&N, even though not every reader from one category may follow you to another. N&N is among the lowest readership categories.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I'd drop it into Erotic Couplings. I've found Group to be a very unresponsive category with low view counts, low score ratios and minimal commentary. For me at least, it's tumbleweeds.

 

[SimonDoom]

1. Definitely publish a 34K story as one story, not multiple stories in multiple categories.

2. According to 8Letters' statistical analysis (the link is here: https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1488161&highlight=statistical+analysis), Group Sex gets the most views of those three categories, followed by Exhibitionist & Voyeur, followed by Erotic Couplings. So if Group sex is the culmination of the story (as I suspect it is) publish it in Group Sex.


Erotic Couplings is a default category, and the reception of stories there is extremely hard to predict. Some stories have done well. Most get relatively few views. The reason is it has no obvious draw, so it doesn't have the same devoted readership that other categories do.

I have had good luck with the exhibitionist/voyeur category. Some of my stories have done well there. I published a story that had some group sex elements in E &V and it did quite well.

I completely agree with RejectReality's assessment.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'd drop it into Erotic Couplings. I've found Group to be a very unresponsive category with low view counts, low score ratios and minimal commentary. For me at least, it's tumbleweeds.

That's interesting. I've always found it to be a fairly easy category readership wise with a fair amount of stats...not I/T LW or mature level, but pretty good.

Then again, I haven't posted anything there in a few years so maybe its changed.

 

[ElectricBlue]

That's interesting. I've always found it to be a fairly easy category readership wise with a fair amount of stats...not I/T LW or mature level, but pretty good.

Then again, I haven't posted anything there in a few years so maybe its changed.

Yeah, for me it's a "don't bother with" category. In my body of work, a story cycle in Group, written no better, no worse than any of my recent content, went into the dead zone.

Your observation about stats is on point - my Mature stories by comparison give me a much better idea of reader reaction. I don't have anything in LW, and only three old Incest stories, so I don't have that comparison.

 

[lovecraft68]

Yeah, for me it's a "don't bother with" category. In my body of work, a story cycle in Group, written no better, no worse than any of my recent content, went into the dead zone.

Your observation about stats is on point - my Mature stories by comparison give me a much better idea of reader reaction. I don't have anything in LW, and only three old Incest stories, so I don't have that comparison.

I/T gets the most views because its the biggest kink going albeit the ultimate dirty secret kink(#1 search in porn is step mom, and let's face it step mom/mom same crowd)

LW is number two but for all the wrong reasons.

Mature is kind of a sleeper, people don't seem to talk much about it, but it has great view vote totals and a fairly decent crowd that doesn't have a lot of trolling.

I will mention though that Mature benefits from some I/T readers as Milf is also enjoyed by them...my mom., someone else's mom...its all about Mom

 

[ElectricBlue]

Mature is kind of a sleeper, people don't seem to talk much about it, but it has great view vote totals and a fairly decent crowd that doesn't have a lot of trolling

It's my category of choice ever since my first Floating World story took off like a rocket. My silver fox with adult younger women stories seem to go down well with folk who like reading about grown-ups, and allow women with their daddy thing to be tickled without going down the incest avenue. Vote per View counts are always healthy, and people aren't afraid to comment. It's a responsive category.

 

[RejectReality]

It's my category of choice ever since my first Floating World story took off like a rocket. My silver fox with adult younger women stories seem to go down well with folk who like reading about grown-ups, and allow women with their daddy thing to be tickled without going down the incest avenue. Vote per View counts are always healthy, and people aren't afraid to comment. It's a responsive category.

Same here, ever since Laurel moved one years ago. I remember thinking it was going to kill the story until the numbers started going up like a rocket LOL I was writing quite a few of them anyway, but the difference between posting them to EC and Mature... Damn.

I've never had any problem getting numbers in Group. In this name, many of them have the same age-difference dynamic as my Mature stories, so I probably get a lot of crossover, but those I've written as Les with twenty/thirty-somethings did just fine as well.

I've debated my personal rule about putting all my threesome stories into group even when they have a more lucrative kink — especially age-difference — many times. It's not as if more than a fraction of my Mature stories are emotional. They're porn that usually has a touch of humor. Adding a third participant doesn't change the tone much. I seriously doubt the readership would care one bit if I categorized them there, and the numbers would go up by about 1/3rd.

On the other hand, I might be surrendering a follower vector if I did that. While the Group readership isn't nearly as large as Mature, there's a unique pool there I wouldn't be exposing myself to nearly as often. Maximizing the readership for each individual story isn't the only thing to consider.

 

[lovecraft68]

It's my category of choice ever since my first Floating World story took off like a rocket. My silver fox with adult younger women stories seem to go down well with folk who like reading about grown-ups, and allow women with their daddy thing to be tickled without going down the incest avenue. Vote per View counts are always healthy, and people aren't afraid to comment. It's a responsive category.

That's what's great about that category. You can have older man/younger woman-and as you said even toss in a little daddy issue type stuff with no issue-and also have Milf/cougar and neither faction flames the other.

I've also noticed that you can put both strokers and more in depth stories there, and same thing, you'll get good reactions.

They also are more than welcoming to the romance aspect between a May-December couple and not just sex.

Its almost like 'Mature" describes the readers...they like what they like and don't bother with what they don't. Be great if that was every category.

Kind of ironic that I'm associated mostly with I/T but four of my most successful stories are in Mature. I have two in the top twenty five(one of each, older man and older woman) all time and I think the other two in the 50ish range.

 

[lovecraft68]

Same here, ever since Laurel moved one years ago. I remember thinking it was going to kill the story until the numbers started going up like a rocket LOL I was writing quite a few of them anyway, but the difference between posting them to EC and Mature... Damn.

I've never had any problem getting numbers in Group. In this name, many of them have the same age-difference dynamic as my Mature stories, so I probably get a lot of crossover, but those I've written as Les with twenty/thirty-somethings did just fine as well.

I've debated my personal rule about putting all my threesome stories into group even when they have a more lucrative kink — especially age-difference — many times. It's not as if more than a fraction of my Mature stories are emotional. They're porn that usually has a touch of humor. Adding a third participant doesn't change the tone much. I seriously doubt the readership would care one bit if I categorized them there, and the numbers would go up by about 1/3rd.

On the other hand, I might be surrendering a follower vector if I did that. While the Group readership isn't nearly as large as Mature, there's a unique pool there I wouldn't be exposing myself to nearly as often. Maximizing the readership for each individual story isn't the only thing to consider.

Here's a question for you. There's a couple of ideas I've had that I feel would work in mature, but has a I/T aspect that might be too much there, but not enough for I/T

Without boring you or anyone else with all the details, I'll leave it a son would be watching his mother have sex with one of his friends, while he has sex with his friend's mother...they're in the same room...its like a mom/son soft swing....

The son's are looking at their own mother's in a sense of "'damn look at my mother' but there is no actual desire and no contact.

See the dilemma?

 

[RejectReality]

Here's a question for you. There's a couple of ideas I've had that I feel would work in mature, but has a I/T aspect that might be too much there, but not enough for I/T

Without boring you or anyone else with all the details, I'll leave it a son would be watching his mother have sex with one of his friends, while he has sex with his friend's mother...they're in the same room...its like a mom/son soft swing....

The son's are looking at their own mother's in a sense of "'damn look at my mother' but there is no actual desire and no contact.

See the dilemma?

Yeah, that's an issue. Absolutely too soft for I/T here, even though swapping is a fairly popular theme. Usually fathers and daughters, though. Mothers and sons is rare enough to be a novel twist.

As you mentioned earlier, I think a fair amount of the popularity of age-difference stories in Mature is attributable to crossover with I/T, and people who aren't comfortable making the leap to pseudo incest. This would capture that not-insignificant portion of the readership without issue.

That leaves the rest. I'm inclined to believe that the Mature readership would be fine. Probably get a few score dings, and maybe a few "ewwww!" comments. Fewer of both if you slap a warning label on it that it's a soft swing mom swap story. If you were someone with a limited following in either category, it could be dangerous, but you've got strong followings in both.

I have to be honest and say that I'd likely skip Lit with that idea if it was me. I've got one site with Incest and Taboo split into two different categories, and pseudo flies just fine in either. The other site is tag-based, so none of the territorial stuff the categories create. With two other venues where it wouldn't be an issue, I would avoid the one where the reception is iffy.

If it's more than 10k words, that would switch up the calculation, because that puts one of the sites into the iffy category. I might go for it here in that case, and I would add the warning label + a note to Laurel that the blood relatives never engage each other, so it doesn't get dropped into I/T where it would be largely ignored. That phrase "soft swing mom swap" feels like sufficient warning, while simultaneously being low on the squick scale. A perfect match for the content.

Then again, I like to have exclusive stories for each site, and that's a perfect storm to stick it only on the one to fulfill that goal. I might lean strongly in that direction, because that feels like a Les story, and he doesn't have an exclusive on that site yet.

Can't you just hear the abacus beads clinking together?

 

[lovecraft68]

Yeah, that's an issue. Absolutely too soft for I/T here, even though swapping is a fairly popular theme. Usually fathers and daughters, though. Mothers and sons is rare enough to be a novel twist.

As you mentioned earlier, I think a fair amount of the popularity of age-difference stories in Mature is attributable to crossover with I/T, and people who aren't comfortable making the leap to pseudo incest. This would capture that not-insignificant portion of the readership without issue.

That leaves the rest. I'm inclined to believe that the Mature readership would be fine. Probably get a few score dings, and maybe a few "ewwww!" comments. Fewer of both if you slap a warning label on it that it's a soft swing mom swap story. If you were someone with a limited following in either category, it could be dangerous, but you've got strong followings in both.

I have to be honest and say that I'd likely skip Lit with that idea if it was me. I've got one site with Incest and Taboo split into two different categories, and pseudo flies just fine in either. The other site is tag-based, so none of the territorial stuff the categories create. With two other venues where it wouldn't be an issue, I would avoid the one where the reception is iffy.

If it's more than 10k words, that would switch up the calculation, because that puts one of the sites into the iffy category. I might go for it here in that case, and I would add the warning label + a note to Laurel that the blood relatives never engage each other, so it doesn't get dropped into I/T where it would be largely ignored. That phrase "soft swing mom swap" feels like sufficient warning, while simultaneously being low on the squick scale. A perfect match for the content.

Then again, I like to have exclusive stories for each site, and that's a perfect storm to stick it only on the one to fulfill that goal. I might lean strongly in that direction, because that feels like a Les story, and he doesn't have an exclusive on that site yet.

Can't you just hear the abacus beads clinking together?

Damn, I think you put more thought into your reply than I have in the story

Being me of course it will be over 10K

Maybe this is better off being something I publish for sale...which will also be interesting as the tags on SW will have to be simply milf/group/swap things like that because one taboo tag puts it in the incest algorithm now that they have different search engines for squick categories like incest/non con and beastie.

But if I do place it here, I think I'll take my chances with mature...group was another option, but I think its to taboo for that group as they don't have a base that necessarily craves age gap.

This reminds me of the line in Fight Club where Pitt tells Norton something was clever then says "how's that working out for you, being clever?" Sometimes I wish I could keep the muse to the straight and narrow.

 

[SimonDoom]

Here's a question for you. There's a couple of ideas I've had that I feel would work in mature, but has a I/T aspect that might be too much there, but not enough for I/T

Without boring you or anyone else with all the details, I'll leave it a son would be watching his mother have sex with one of his friends, while he has sex with his friend's mother...they're in the same room...its like a mom/son soft swing....

The son's are looking at their own mother's in a sense of "'damn look at my mother' but there is no actual desire and no contact.

See the dilemma?

Put aside what happens in the story, and ask yourself, what's the erotic appeal? What gives the story its zing? It's incest -- sonny watching his mom getting it on. That's incest. That's much more important to categorization than whose parts are going in whose other parts.

 

[RejectReality]

Put aside what happens in the story, and ask yourself, what's the erotic appeal? What gives the story its zing? It's incest -- sonny watching his mom getting it on. That's incest. That's much more important to categorization than whose parts are going in whose other parts.

Not necessarily. That premise can easily be written as age-difference, two guys wanting their divorced/widowed Mom to find herself again, or some other track where the fact that they're related is barely part of the erotic appeal.

Regardless of the level of incest kink present — even up to the point of talking dirty to Mom while pounding her friend — it's not going to push the buttons of the I/T readership, because blood-related naughty bits are never going to come into contact.

 

[lovecraft68]

Not necessarily. That premise can easily be written as age-difference, two guys wanting their divorced/widowed Mom to find herself again, or some other track where the fact that they're related is barely part of the erotic appeal.

Regardless of the level of incest kink present — even up to the point of talking dirty to Mom while pounding her friend — it's not going to push the buttons of the I/T readership, because blood-related naughty bits are never going to come into contact.

To be more detailed...so the longtime friends each have a crush on the other's mom and know it. They do things like steal their mother's underwear and trade them, swap pictures of their mothers in bikinis etc...its like a mutual obsession.

Mother's find out and (insert porn absurdity) decide it turns them on and to set the son up. At one of their houses the other mom son come over. The mom's swap so they're sitting next to the friend on different couches, they tell the sons they know what they've been doing then...it goes from there.

So I feel that does little for I/T because there is no desire for their own mother or either mother for their son.

This reminds me of a story Geronimo Applby did where a cougar/kitten pairing who were both bi decided for a joke to pretend to be mother daughter and have a threesome with a guy and keep up the act with things like "does my mom give better head than I do" type dilague.

Think he put it in group and got mixed result, I think the score managed an H but he took some heat in the comments section.