Note here, how the Times prints something truthfull,

Andra_Jenny

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401k’s lost value,

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/09/business/09INVE.html

For the first time in the 20-year history of the popular 401(k) retirement savings plan, the average account lost money last year, even after thousands of dollars of new contributions. And despite some strengthening of stock prices in the last couple of months, recent estimates show, the declines persisted in the first half of this year.

but then go on to distort the news in a political statement.

The trend is exposing years of mistakes by employees, raising some questions about proposals to permit Americans to manage part of their Social Security accounts and clouding the future of many employees' nest eggs for retirement.

It goes on in this manner.

What the Times does not tell you is that they missed the call (which Andra_Jenny was shouting about to the high heavens and managed to put he/she/its family’s investments into secure growth areas, e.g., bonds, land, and other real estate) which would have saved their readers.
What they also do is absolutely scrap the reality of 401k’s, in that they are a very long-term vehicle, for the most of people. Hence this is just a scare tactic since most 401k’s are busy buying shares of mutual funds (which is good to do in a time like this, it is where all of my new money is going) they look like they are decreasing in value, but in 3, maybe 4 quarters, when the economy world-wide gets its act together, then they will increase dramatically in value.
This is how the media tries to scare you from handling your own money.
But again, the point is, the Times did not call this because at the time (October-November) when I was screaming the loudest, they needed to get Algore elected and hence had to perpetrate the myth of the best economy in X number of years (I forget what they were saying exactly, but 8-10 is what they wanted you to believe.)
It’s true! You cannot make this stuff up!

PS remember in the 70’s or 80’s, they lost a lot of value too.
PPS I still think seeing 7,000 again is not out of the question.
PPPS As I told you earlier this weekend, Asia continues to slide, Europe is sliding now, our markets open in a few hours and futures are down.
 
Andra_Jenny said:
401k’s lost value,

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/09/business/09INVE.html


PS remember in the 70’s or 80’s, they lost a lot of value too.
PPS I still think seeing 7,000 again is not out of the question.
PPPS As I told you earlier this weekend, Asia continues to slide, Europe is sliding now, our markets open in a few hours and futures are down.


The futures are mixed this morning.
 
maybe

but check out SCMP financial markets section. Country after country down, down, down (especially techs). What good news do we have this morning for the rest of the world? What incentive do we have to offer.

Admittedly, I am a dim bulb, but I can still see to read, was raised by the depression-era gang and have seen family fortunes wiped out once since then.

Call me paranoid, but I would be very, very , very conservative in my investments until we see what happens with the Christmas Shopping season, and oh, by the way, didn't I read something yesterday about crude hitting $30 a barrel and going higher?
 
I'm not hip on economics, but I think Greenspan raised rates too much and he's been turning the crank the other way for the past 6 months. If nothing unforeseen happens, I think stocks will be up 40% by the end of next January.
 
I would like to see social security funds placed in massive savings accounts with approved banks, meaning those who dont lend massive amounts of money to third world countries, and generally pursue sound policies. The gains will be less but the money will be absolutely secure and will still stimulate business
 
NEW YORK — Stocks opened flat on Monday as investors, recovering from last week's sharp sell-off, braced themselves for a rush of corporate earnings reports that could offer a better read on the nation's economic slump.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,29085,00.html

I was betting and told my spouse this last time that I thought he would not further cut rates and that he would issue a warning to America that it was an inventory problem that just has to work itself out due to slumping world conditions. His smaller cut seemed to be a compromise between the two competing views. You may be right [about the 40%], I agree based on what I just said. Unfortunatley we cannot control what happens globally. Especially a mideast war, or a sudden China-Taiwan, or sudden North korean reunification, or Jihad,

CARVILLE: Shutup AJ. You a worry-wart!

RM
Sounds like something to think about. That is not a topic I have thought about much lately, so I don't have a strong opinion.
 
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