North vs. South

[VaticanAssassin]

Assume another civil war. Reasons is irrelevant. Assume a blue vs. red scenario in the map below, with all other states and Europe remaining neutral.
Military bases in each state remain loyal to that side. Who will win and why?

The North primarily won due to attrition, industry, and a successful naval blockkade....

The North still has a large population advantage so attrition still stands. But.... Their are a greater concentration of military bases in the South. Specifically Infantry. This is not the 1600's. You can not hand your average Joe a rifle and tell him to go fight. I would say this advantage is nullified if not turned around.

Industry; The North no longer holds this advantage and I would call it a draw.

Blockade; Overall there are a greater number of naval bases in the South now. Advantage South.

The Norths primary advantage today would come from politics. Their ability to get help from Europe would be key. Without it, it would be a very quick war in my opinion with the South taking DC in a matter of weeks.


Note: This is a exercises in boredom. I do not think it is a possibility.

 

[miles]

Europe wouldn't help anyone. The blue states would enlist terrorists.

The majority of military bases may be in the red states, but the troops aren't all natives and would go to either side. Each state's Army and Air National Guard units would be more likely to fight for themselves.

I can't picture a scenario where liberals would literally fight for themselves. They'd count on someone else to do it for them.

I don't think it's a possibility either, but it's fun to talk about.

 

[blobfish]

The Union would maintain control of all nuclear weapons, so they couldn't possibly lose. If the war turned against the north, a hydrogen bomb would be dropped on Atlanta, and that would be that.

 

[doctor_insanus]

I think the North would say "fuck it" and just let them go. They haven't learned anything in the last 150 years, and another ass-kicking isn't going to change that.

Not worth the blood and treasure.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

The Union would maintain control of all nuclear weapons, so they couldn't possibly lose. If the war turned against the north, a hydrogen bomb would be dropped on Atlanta, and that would be that.

I do not think either side would be stupid enough to use Nukes. But....

They are just as many nukes in the South as the North and all Nuclear sub bases are in the south.

 

[Adre]

Florida would probably still be counting votes so they're no help.

 

[blobfish]

I do not think either side would be stupid enough to use Nukes. But....

They are just as many nukes in the South as the North and all Nuclear sub bases are in the south.

But only Union politicians have the launch codes for terrestrial nukes. The nuclear submarines might be a problem, though.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

But only Union politicians have the launch codes for terrestrial nukes. The nuclear submarines might be a problem, though.

A bomb could still be loaded on a Boeing E-4B and dropped. The football is to verify authorization from the president, not a on/off switch. If the side had the bombs and did not care about authorization they could still drop them....

 

[blobfish]

A bomb could still be loaded on a Boeing E-4B and dropped. The football is to verify authorization from the president, not a on/off switch. If the side had the bombs and did not care about authorization they could still drop them....

A Confederate plane could never make it into Union airspace, though. All incoming planes would be shot down on site.

 

[ishtat]

Major areas of Hispanic South Texas and Hispanic Florida are already blue. A major 5th column in place? I suspect that Texas could not even subdue Texas to a single point of view.

 

[KingOrfeo]

If we have another civil war in this country any time in the next 20 years, it won't be North vs. South, nor East vs. West, nor Coasts vs. Flyover, nor Red States vs. Blue States. It will be Countryside vs. City. That's where the political division is, now.

 

[Ishmael]

But only Union politicians have the launch codes for terrestrial nukes. The nuclear submarines might be a problem, though.

The overwhelming number of the nations nuclear weapons are sitting outside of Amarillo Tx. along with all the technology and brainpower to activate them. Politicians and launch codes would be quite unnecessary.

And the nations strategic petroleum reserves are also in Tx. Which begs the question, "Where would the north get the oil to fight this war?"

Ishmael

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Naaah. If war erupts in America it'll be blue collar Americans vs Chinese troops the Democrats invite here to control the blue collar workers raising food for the Chinese.

 

[KyleW]

Whoa whoa. The Committee to Shit Down the Throats of all Texans, would like to say, we do not need Michigan's help. We'll trade Michigan for some non shit state, like nothing the south has to offer. So just take Michigan, and give us a bag of old socks. Fair trade.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

If we have another civil war in this country any time in the next 20 years, it won't be North vs. South, nor East vs. West, nor Coasts vs. Flyover, nor Red States vs. Blue States. It will be Countryside vs. City. That's where the political division is, now.

As I said, this is a pure hypothetical with no chance at reality. I am looking at it more from a historical perspective. Not a what would most likely happen if anything at all...

Do the advantages the north held in 1860 hold true today?

 

[nayia]

I wish this could happen.

I think the North would say "fuck it" and just let them go. They haven't learned anything in the last 150 years, and another ass-kicking isn't going to change that.

Not worth the blood and treasure.

 

[bronzeage]

A Confederate plane could never make it into Union airspace, though. All incoming planes would be shot down on site.

The Confederate Air Force will need a little time to prepare.

 

[remy_lebeau8]

In all fairness the shouth coulda taken dc at least 3 times 150 years ago. Bad Intel and fear stopped each push.

Modern times....its a toss up.

 

[blobfish]

The Confederate Air Force will need a little time to prepare.

It's even worse than you think:

 

[blobfish]

In all fairness the shouth coulda taken dc at least 3 times 150 years ago. Bad Intel and fear stopped each push.

Modern times....its a toss up.

I don't know how much that would have affected the outcome, though. The maple muncher took Washington in the War of 1812, but it didn't take. Most of that had to do with the storm, but still.

 

[remy_lebeau8]

I don't know how much that would have affected the outcome, though. The maple muncher took Washington in the War of 1812, but it didn't take. Most of that had to do with the storm, but still.

I don't know about that. If the confederates would have made it to DC I think England and France would have reconized them as a country and sent in backup through Canada. Same if they would have won gettysburg

 

[blobfish]

I don't know about that. If the confederates would have made it to DC I think England and France would have reconized them as a country and sent in backup through Canada. Same if they would have won gettysburg

I believe you're thinking of Antietam, which also gave Lincoln the opportunity he was looking for to announce the Emancipation Proclamation.

 

[remy_lebeau8]

I believe you're thinking of Antietam, which also gave Lincoln the opportunity he was looking for to announce the Emancipation Proclamation.

Yes but that was a draw. The south needed a big win.

 

[blobfish]

Yes but that was a draw. The south needed a big win.

It was technically a Union victory, but the inept General McLellan neglected to pursue the greys. Some say that if the south had won Antietam and taken Maryland, England and France would have backed them. "Enlightened" Europe didn't want the slaves freed, because slave labor in America made cotton cheaper for them.

 

[remy_lebeau8]

It was technically a Union victory, but the inept General McLellan neglected to pursue the greys. Some say that if the south had won Antietam and taken Maryland, England and France would have backed them. "Enlightened" Europe didn't want the slaves freed, because slave labor in America made cotton cheaper for them.

Youre right blob. I forgot the purpose of the emancipation proclamation. It wasn't to free slaves but to keep Europe out. They already were slave free and didn't want to be involved in a slave war. Smart move for Lincoln.