Non-sexual BF and GF relationships (especially younger people)

[WhO2]

My sons (one just graduated college, the other one is about to) claim that girls today want a man that is dominant in all phases of their life. She wants them to even occasionally 'put her in her place'.

My wife and I are nothing like that. We both have good jobs are equal partners in our marriage. One of the things that attracted me to her (along with her long legs and big boobs) was her confidence and "I don't take no shit" attitude. We raised our sons to believe like we do.

My niece did include "I will be a loyal and subservient woman" in her marriage vows, but they are religious extremists. Other than that, and maybe the tradwife trend I've read about, I can't imagine this being a common belief. Does anyone else have any experience in this?

 

[Britva415]

Confused about "non-sexual" in the title. What you wrote doesn't seem to have anything to do with "non-sexual." What's missing?

 

[KatieDoes]

My sons (one just graduated college, the other one is about to) claim that girls today want a man that is dominant in all phases of their life. She wants them to even occasionally 'put her in her place'.

My wife and I are nothing like that. We both have good jobs are equal partners in our marriage. One of the things that attracted me to her (along with her long legs and big boobs) was her confidence and "I don't take no shit" attitude. We raised our sons to believe like we do.

My niece did include "I will be a loyal and subservient woman" in her marriage vows, but they are religious extremists. Other than that, and maybe the tradwife trend I've read about, I can't imagine this being a common belief. Does anyone else have any experience in this?

kids, especially boys, that age are relentlessly targeted by red pill propaganda online. Read up on it, listen to it, learn who Andrew Tate, Van Lathan, and the rest of the manosphere shitheels are. Then do active and intentional work to unravel that toxic culture from your kids while you still can. It won’t serve them well to fall deeper into it. These people intentionally target young men who feel isolated and unsure, and they exploit that. Their goal is to keep them alone and angry, because it makes them money.

 

[WhO2]

They look like they’re ready for some mischief.

kids, especially boys, that age are relentlessly targeted by red pill propaganda online. Read up on it, listen to it, learn who Andrew Tate, Van Lathan, and the rest of the manosphere shitheels are. Then do active and intentional work to unravel that toxic culture from your kids while you still can. It won’t serve them well to fall deeper into it. These people intentionally target young men who feel isolated and unsure, and they exploit that. Their goal is to keep them alone and angry, because it makes them money.

I assumed where they hear this stuff was probably some online he-man woman-hater site. One of them got dumped by his GF 8 mos ago, and he swears it's because she wanted our son to 'treat her badly'. We've tried telling him it was probably because of the long-distance relationship instead (new BF flips steaks where she waits tables).

 

[WhO2]

Confused about "non-sexual" in the title. What you wrote doesn't seem to have anything to do with "non-sexual." What's missing?

Since most topics in the forums are sexual in nature, I wanted to clarify that this is the relationship in general and not their sex lives

 

[Britva415]

Since most topics in the forums are sexual in nature, I wanted to clarify that this is the relationship in general and not their sex lives

Oh. It sounded like you were talking about relationships that weren't sexual relationships somehow.

 

[LMWM321]

My niece did include "I will be a loyal and subservient woman" in her marriage vows, but they are religious extremists. Other than that, and maybe the tradwife trend I've read about, I can't imagine this being a common belief. Does anyone else have any experience in this?

No! As a father and uncle to many nieces I have not heard ANY of them talk this way. I'd be careful about concluding so much from so small a sample size, especially a group that is so religiously entrenched.

My experience is the opposite. The young women in my life want a guy who is productive in his career, and is an equal participant in all things at home, including raising the kids. And YES, they want careers.

The whole trad wife thing is mystifying. A definite step backwards for women. And who exactly are they marrying so that they can afford for her to just stay home and raise kids?? These days, buying a home, owning a car, putting money in a 401K and and raising kids requires a dual income.

Personally, I'd never raise a daughter to forgo a career and put herself at risk of becoming financially captive to a man. No F'ing way..

 

[CierraMom2025]

My sons (one just graduated college, the other one is about to) claim that girls today want a man that is dominant in all phases of their life. She wants them to even occasionally 'put her in her place'.

My wife and I are nothing like that. We both have good jobs are equal partners in our marriage. One of the things that attracted me to her (along with her long legs and big boobs) was her confidence and "I don't take no shit" attitude. We raised our sons to believe like we do.

My niece did include "I will be a loyal and subservient woman" in her marriage vows, but they are religious extremists. Other than that, and maybe the tradwife trend I've read about, I can't imagine this being a common belief. Does anyone else have any experience in this?

WOW, that's new

 

[Meekly_Anna]

Yes, please, take me to my place.
And then go to your place. That's right up your jumper into the place where the sun doesn't shine.
Boys, I'm a meek and submissive person. Provided you earn my meek and submissive personality. If not, and people demanding anything I don't want to give, share our act, are very quickly on my tetchy side. And trust me, you don't want to explore.
If you WANT to earn my meek and submissive behaviour, start with politeness and manners.
And boys, if you dream about a 'trad wife' there's no such thing outside a nazi fever dream. They never existed.

 

[WhO2]

Thanks to all who have replied. I didn't think women wanted to be 'put in their place', but i needed to hear from others as well. My wife and I have brought it up with other parents of girls and haven't found anyone who agrees with my sons who think they know everything.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

You got that wrong.
Some women want to be out in their place. But what that place is is their decision.

 

[Liberia]

My sons (one just graduated college, the other one is about to) claim that girls today want a man that is dominant in all phases of their life. She wants them to even occasionally 'put her in her place'.

My wife and I are nothing like that. We both have good jobs are equal partners in our marriage. One of the things that attracted me to her (along with her long legs and big boobs) was her confidence and "I don't take no shit" attitude. We raised our sons to believe like we do.

My niece did include "I will be a loyal and subservient woman" in her marriage vows, but they are religious extremists. Other than that, and maybe the tradwife trend I've read about, I can't imagine this being a common belief. Does anyone else have any experience in this?

I am in my twenties and work at uni, all the women I know there definetely do not want that. But I have a foster teen at home and she tells me a lot about the things happening in school and there seems to be trend, which is also seen in the data, that young women seem to crave more traditional roles again. I think this has not only to do with social media, tradwife, right wing trend, religion, but also with the stress of working, family, cost of living. Many young women seem to be tired of trying to making that all work and idealize the 1950s, because they imagining that life as less stressful.

 

[policywank]

kids, especially boys, that age are relentlessly targeted by red pill propaganda online. Read up on it, listen to it, learn who Andrew Tate, Van Lathan, and the rest of the manosphere shitheels are. Then do active and intentional work to unravel that toxic culture from your kids while you still can. It won’t serve them well to fall deeper into it. These people intentionally target young men who feel isolated and unsure, and they exploit that. Their goal is to keep them alone and angry, because it makes them money.

This stuff is terribly toxic. And they magnify their perspective by intentionally contrasting it to extreme opposites. Just look at the ridiculous podcasts - supposedly traditional dudes who think women want to be dominated squaring off with a woman who presents herself as the height of selfish promiscuity and ridiculous expectations, as if this is all binary and those are the only two choices.

What is particularly insidious is something we see in a lot of content today is that someone will use a grain of truth then infer a ridiculous conclusion from that. And they use that grain of truth to suggest that their dumbass conclusion is just as valid. For example, I think that it is true that sometimes women feel societal pressure to have it all and do it all - unrealistic expectations for the modern career woman. Lots of women push back against that now. Some want a more traditional role. Others just want more realistic expectations (men aren't expected to have it all and do it all). That doesn't mean she wants to be dominated in every aspect of her life. Nor does it mean that she is rejecting the premises of female empowerment and liberation. It just means she wants to define her life and relationship in a way that suits her and her partner rather than how society tells her it should be.

As others have said for most couples it is not financially viable for the wife to be a stay at home wife/mom. But even if it is feasible for a select few and that is what they want, there is no reason to believe that she wants to reinvigorate the patriarchy and be a door mat for some misogynist douchebag. The women I know who have adopted this approach are strong partners who have chosen along with their husbands to build their life this way. Subservience has nothing to do with it.

I am sure there are a few women who do truly want to be submissive to their man in every aspect of their life. But that doesn't validate the straw man argument that if you don't want to be a career driven piranha or a vacuous bimbo then you must want to be a completely submissive wife.

 

[adlon]

My sons (one just graduated college, the other one is about to) claim that girls today want a man that is dominant in all phases of their life. She wants them to even occasionally 'put her in her place'.

My wife and I are nothing like that. We both have good jobs are equal partners in our marriage. One of the things that attracted me to her (along with her long legs and big boobs) was her confidence and "I don't take no shit" attitude. We raised our sons to believe like we do.

My niece did include "I will be a loyal and subservient woman" in her marriage vows, but they are religious extremists. Other than that, and maybe the tradwife trend I've read about, I can't imagine this being a common belief. Does anyone else have any experience in this?

I was going to respond in depth to this with my thoughts but as it sounds like an advertisement for the whole Andrew Tate toxic "real men," crap and Ince crowd I'll just treat it with the contempt it deserves.