Non Consent/Reluctance: Why do they always secretly want it?

[darlingkate]

I'd like to see a story where the one getting fucked doesn't want it. Is not secretly turned on.

 

[sunandshadow]

That would be rape, which is illegal, morally repellent, and not permitted in the literotica archives.

 

[darlingkate]

Then what is the purpose of having the stupid category anyway? Is it any more repugnant than incest??

 

[OrcishBarbarian]

Seems to be there should be a distinction between nonconsensual and reluctant then. Reluctant means that the woman doesn't want it at first, but is secretly turned on. Nonconsensual means she doesn't want it, period. And as sunandshadow said, truly nonconsensual stories are not allowed in the archives.

Darlingkate, you should turn your PMs on.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Because of two things.

1. There is a myth that the girl must want in the end to separate it from rape. Seeing how I've written stories where thegirl not only never wanted it but is killed in the end I can say beyond a reasonable doubt that this is a bit of a rumor. Though not entirely untrue. Like the difference between talking dogs and unicorns it really omes down to whatever the mods think on that day. A lot of FINC and DarkClouds work stands to prove that lit is not anti rape no matter what anybody might think.

2. Most of usthink,most of the time that the story is more enjoyable if the woman wants it.

 

[principessa07]

Like the difference between talking dogs and unicorns it really omes down to whatever the mods think on that day. A lot of FINC and DarkClouds work stands to prove that lit is not anti rape no matter what anybody might think.

It definitely seems true to me that it is based entirely on how the mods feel. I have read stories where characters are cut from the inside, bloodied, bullied etc., yet I had a story rejected recently because it contained too much violence or degradation. The character in the story did not really want it in the end, and I think that had a lot to do with it. I had no problem adjusting it, but did feel a little frustrated in that I honestly thought my story was not as violent as some others I have read.

I think nonconsent is such a touchy subject for people, so the judgements tend to be more subjective than usual. But I have read stories that didn't end in a character fantasizing about what happened, so they do exist in the Lit world.

 

[docgbrown]

To each thier own

Short answer is; because soo many of the readers do secretly want it.

Then what is the purpose of having the stupid category anyway? Is it any more repugnant than incest??

The purpose may be to exercise the imagination and or fantasy of things which (hopefully) are never done. While repugnant to you, rape is a very common fantasy among women and men. Look at the number of non-consent stories that claim to be written by women. Check statistics on fantasies and you’ll see rape is more common fantasy among women then men. Ask the other women in your life and you may be surprised on how many foster that fantasy.

I have discussed fantasies with a lot of people I know and I know that most females harbor that one. When The Accused came out, I discovered that ALL of my (then) female coworkers loved that movie (for the rape scene) and was separately approached by two of those female coworkers, informing me that if I ever were to force myself on them, they wouldn’t press charges. I have always wondered if I look like a “safe rapist” as that wasn’t the first time or the last time a woman has suggested that she might like to be ‘taken’ by me. While I believe that most women, even those with rape fantasies, DON’T want to ever get raped for real, the IDEA of being ravished or compelled to lose control (without violence, STDs, etc…) is actually common and normal.

P.S. Non-consent is NOT my kink and I declined their offers.

 

[snooper]

That would be rape, which is illegal, morally repellent, and not permitted in the literotica archives.

As with the age limit, the illegal and the morally repellent aspects are utterly irrelevant. Murder, taking drugs, and exceeding the speed limit are all permitted in stories. The only consideration is the rules of Literotica.

 

[misspihla]

I also find rape stories in Lit disturbing. The policy seems to be that if rapist makes woman wet and moaning it's not a crime.

I think in rules they have forgotten the most important thing: whether woman enjoys it or not doesnt affect to if its rape or not.

Now there is "legal rape" and "illegal rape" where victims own will is just ignored and some kind of enjoyment factor is used instead.

 

[Guest]

Here's how I look at it: If the person being raped doesn't truly want it, then it is not erotic- it is violent.

I only consider it erotica if it actually erotic. Some enjoyment has to come out of it from the people having sex to be erotic. Most people call rape an act of power, not sex. That is exactly what it would be in these situations. Then it is no better than child abuse or murder.

Don't think that last comment is to demean darlingkate or anybody else here. Fantasy and reality are different. I've heard psychiatrists claim that any fantasy no matter how illegal (such as including minors of any age) is not harmful as long as they don't act on it- they claim most don't want to. Separation from fantasy and reality.

If a person fantasizes about rape they usually wouldn't want it in real life. If they do want it, like those docgbrown described, then its consensual and not rape- its just roleplay really.

There, thats my two cents.

 

[Athena_e19]

I think a lot of the determination is actually quite subjective and deals more with the overall tone of the story. The mods are looking for fiction that is arousing or erotic to the public, not things that are disturbing or unnecessarily cruel.

You can have a story where the woman does not enjoy the forced act, but the tone can never be too graphic or disturbing- it will get rejected. If she enjoys it (as is the most common NC fantasy for people) than everyone goes home happy.

I have included several very violent rape scenes (short in length though) in some of my stories and find that if the overall tone of the story is more upbeat and positive and the scene serves a useful purpose tot he plot that they often get through.

 

[Otto26]

I have included several very violent rape scenes (short in length though) in some of my stories and find that if the overall tone of the story is more upbeat and positive and the scene serves a useful purpose to the plot that they often get through.

That's my experience.

 

[Fantasies_only]

Seems to be there should be a distinction between nonconsensual and reluctant then. Reluctant means that the woman doesn't want it at first, but is secretly turned on. Nonconsensual means she doesn't want it, period. And as sunandshadow said, truly nonconsensual stories are not allowed in the archives.

Darlingkate, you should turn your PMs on.

The site owner should make this point clear just like non physical child actions in fiction.
There is no reason why either content shouldn't be here except for personal preference, in which case it's censorship pure and simple!

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Admins, Mods, and everyone else involved with this site:
This should include all content, not just what you want to have here.
Either change your policy, or delete this entire site you fucking hypocrites!

 

[sunandshadow]

As with the age limit, the illegal and the morally repellent aspects are utterly irrelevant. Murder, taking drugs, and exceeding the speed limit are all permitted in stories. The only consideration is the rules of Literotica.

I thought the question was more along the lines of "Why don't other people want to see this type of story since the OP does?"

 

[Sean Renaud]

The site owner should make this point clear just like non physical child actions in fiction.
There is no reason why either content shouldn't be here except for personal preference, in which case it's censorship pure and simple!


Admins, Mods, and everyone else involved with this site:
This should include all content, not just what you want to have here.
Either change your policy, or delete this entire site you fucking hypocrites!

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are joking with this statement. There is a difference between legal freedom of speech, which means the government won't step in and prevent you from saying it, and private. If Lit does't want Nazi/Jew porn on their site that is a personal choice by the people who pay to run this site. Just like you have the right to throw me out of your house if I call your wife a slut. It in no way makes them hypocrits.

What would make them hypocrits would be if they actively voted against or supported an act that would limit free speech in anyway.

 

[Fantasies_only]

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are joking with this statement. There is a difference between legal freedom of speech, which means the government won't step in and prevent you from saying it, and private. If Lit does't want Nazi/Jew porn on their site that is a personal choice by the people who pay to run this site. Just like you have the right to throw me out of your house if I call your wife a slut. It in no way makes them hypocrits.

What would make them hypocrits would be if they actively voted against or supported an act that would limit free speech in anyway.

I am deadly serious and very pissed off!

You wanna challenge me, fine.
Look up "Cyber Kiddie Porn".
American law (and I stress American) states that if a real model is not present when the material is being made, the image or writing is considered art which is protected by the first amendment.
Further it states this law goes for drawings, paintings, computer graphics, film, sculpture, and writing.

Since other countries are not bound by our constitution, the Literotica mirrors can be linked from a warning page with no images on it whatsoever.

As for personal preference, this entire site is public.
Personal preference is for private sections only.
If I were to shout obscenities at you accross the fence on my own property, you may report it, but legally I have done nothing wrong.

 

[Virgin_Whore_Baby]

Like one of my friends always says: "Its not rape if you like it."

I have a NC/R story in mind that I'd possibly like to write & have people's input on it. I'm apprehensive to openly share my idea due to the outcome of another post I did. Send me a PM if you'd like to know what it is & give me your opinions.

 

[BedtimeStories77]

Just like you have the right to throw me out of your house if I call your wife a slut.

I wouldn't throw you out of my house for calling me a slut.

 

[BedtimeStories77]

I am deadly serious and very pissed off!

You wanna challenge me, fine.
Look up "Cyber Kiddie Porn".
American law (and I stress American) states that if a real model is not present when the material is being made, the image or writing is considered art which is protected by the first amendment.
Further it states this law goes for drawings, paintings, computer graphics, film, sculpture, and writing.

You've posted this before in Story Ideas. Are you saying you're mad this site won't allow kiddie porn?

 

[Fantasies_only]

You've posted this before in Story Ideas. Are you saying you're mad this site won't allow kiddie porn?

Look at my original post, I say non physical child acts in fiction.
The characters would not be interacting in a pornographic manner.
To a third party (the reader), no explicit picture would accompany the story.
As for non explicit, or "softcore", no real child (or even realistic pic) would be included.

 

[BedtimeStories77]

Look at my original post, I say non physical child acts in fiction.
The characters would not be interacting in a pornographic manner.



To a third party (the reader), no explicit picture would accompany the story.
As for non explicit, or "softcore", no real child (or even realistic pic) would be included.

Seriously, then. What are you saying?

Lit does allow stories that have characters under the age of 18 as long as they are not involved in any sex scene in any form. That sounds like the same thing you said in the first part there.

As for the second part... What are you saying? "As for softcore no real child or pic would be included"... Included in what? Of course Lit doesn't allow any mention of minors in any type of sexual situation, including softcore.

 

[Fantasies_only]

Seriously, then. What are you saying?

Lit does allow stories that have characters under the age of 18 as long as they are not involved in any sex scene in any form. That sounds like the same thing you said in the first part there.

As for the second part... What are you saying? "As for softcore no real child or pic would be included"... Included in what? Of course Lit doesn't allow any mention of minors in any type of sexual situation, including softcore.

That's exactly what I mean.
They ALLOW minors in non sexual situations, but the things that aren't really sexual are considered so.

Voyeurism: The child would just happen to be looking in that direction at the time adult sex or nudity takes place, it's not sought out.
In addition, the child does not have to get off on such things.

Exhibitionism: The fictional child is nude and gets off on being nude infront of textiles, big deal, like he or she is real.

Flashing and teasing: The child poses in a sexual and/or sensual manner for another, and eventually gets aroused by doing so, but no touching is involved.

Fantasy: A child has sexual thoughts about an adult, or an adult has sexual thoughts about a child.
These thoughts are not acted upon in any way.

Male masturbation: One who touches himself without sexual thoughts, or plays with himself in an arousing manner, is not interacting with another.
No sex is included.

Female masturbation: I would say the same thing, but let's face it, it's an internal process, so it's closer to sex than male masturbation.

Since pictures are allowed on Lit, if children in these situations were here, no picture would include a real child, and would also be unrealistic.

I'm serious.
They either need to make a change, or just shut down the site.
They talk out of both sides of their mouth, and that isn't fair to the posters.

I'm hoping there is someone with law experiance on this site, if so, please PM me.

 

[Virgin_Whore_Baby]

Now I'm getting confused Are you saying that those things should or should not be allowed here?

 

[Fantasies_only]

Should

 

[Virgin_Whore_Baby]

Should

Well, I partially agree. Mods & such might be a little too strict on somethings. I think they want it to seem like we all just woke up on our 18th birthdays, & asked "What's sex?" As if we lived the first 18 years of our lives never seeing, hearing or doing anything even remotely sexual.

Although, contrary to popular belief, I do have morals. I think that no story should involve any child's arousal. That's taking it too far. Especially with an actual child! It might be differnt if you said "minors". That makes it sound more like it pertains to teenagers as well as children. I think that it would be okay to talk about someone's fantasy about a 16 or 17-yr-old, if it is not acted upon.