Nice "deal" Britain, great bit of negotiating

[Frimost]

Sheltering A Puppet Master?

BY BRUCE CRUMLEY/PARIS


Sunday, Jul. 07, 2002
As worldwide investigations into the mysteries of the Sept. 11 terror conspiracy roll on, officials in Europe have pondered an enigma: Where is Abu Qatada? Described by some justice officials as the spiritual leader and possible puppet master of al-Qaeda's European networks, Abu Qatada has been missing since mid-December after British authorities confiscated his passport, froze his assets and ordered him confined to his London home. With Jordan seeking his return to serve a life sentence for terror-related crimes, some observers figured Abu Qatada went underground—and perhaps left Britain—to avoid extradition. But senior European intelligence officials tell TIME that Abu Qatada is tucked away in a safe house in the north of England, where he and his family are being lodged, fed and clothed by British intelligence services. "The deal is that Abu Qatada is deprived of contact with extremists in London and Europe but can't be arrested or expelled because no one officially knows where he is," says the source, whose claims were corroborated by French authorities. "The British win because the last thing they want is a hot potato they can't extradite for fear of al-Qaeda reprisals but whose presence contradicts London's support of the war on terror." British security services officials declined to comment.

—With reporting by Helen Gibson/London

Boy you really haggled him down didn't you, nice job!
So in return for feeding his fat ass and his entire family as well as clothing him and giving him a place to crash he gives up what now? Not being able to exchange Turkish porn with his al-Quida buddies? Great bit of bargaining, boy you really ran circles around him when you got that concession from him!

 

[Myrrdin]

Depends what he's giving us in return.

 

[SINthysist]

Hey!

I already did that!

 

[Gord]

Boy you really haggled him down didn't you, nice job!
So in return for feeding his fat ass and his entire family as well as clothing him and giving him a place to crash he gives up what now? Not being able to exchange Turkish porn with his al-Quida buddies? Great bit of bargaining, boy you really ran circles around him when you got that concession from him!

If that is really true - and you cant believe everything that is in the papers - then it is shit.

We have a strong liberal PC lobby here who seem to always want to concentrate on the perpretator and make sure their " rights " are being upheld . The victim is forgotten. hope he is extradited pronto and gets what is coming

 

[SINthysist]

The SAS also killed Mullah Omar, but Blair is NOT about to let that news out...

He's content to let Israel and the U.S. remain on the short list of targets!

Wussy.

 

[bluespoke]

Boy you really haggled him down didn't you, nice job!
So in return for feeding his fat ass and his entire family as well as clothing him and giving him a place to crash he gives up what now? Not being able to exchange Turkish porn with his al-Quida buddies? Great bit of bargaining, boy you really ran circles around him when you got that concession from him!

Whilst I wouldn't disagree with the story as I don't know whether it's true (you obviously know more than everyone else) I would distrust anything the French corroborate on terrorism.

This is the nation that imprisons terrorists for long sentences until the terrorist leaders come along and ask for their release. Then they are out quicker than the proverbial speeding bullet!

If we have him tucked away it is probably for good reason. As you apparently know more than the rest of us perhaps you could tell us why?

 

[SINthysist]

Hostage to prevent a nuclear suitcase attack on London...

Hint: They'd martyr him in a KC Bar-B-Que minute...

 

[sexy-girl]

england has more experience in dealing with terrorist then the US ... i would trust whatever we're doing ... england has excellent intelligence gaining methods for the IRA perhaps this is something a long those lines

 

[SINthysist]

That's why I keep saying the SAS knocked off Mullah Omar...

Nobody, especially Al Qaeda is really too terribly eager to fess up that any of these guys are dead, because a lot like p_p_man, they cannot bring themselves to admit the Bush is winning!

TAKE THAT p_p_!

 

[bluespoke]

That's why I keep saying the SAS knocked off Mullah Omar...

Nobody, especially Al Qaeda is really too terribly eager to fess up that any of these guys are dead, because a lot like p_p_man, they cannot bring themselves to admit the Bush is winning!

TAKE THAT p_p_!

It's not a war that can ever be won. For every Omar or Bin Laden that we kill there are another several thousand queueing up to take over.

The war on terrorism must be fought for ever.

 

[Frimost]

It's not a war that can ever be won. For every Omar or Bin Laden that we kill there are another several thousand queueing up to take over.

That statement is both true and false. For every person killed, yes, there will be others to take their place. However, think of al-Queda as a successful and profitable business. If you kill the CEO of a dynamic business will he replacement be as skilled as the one you knocked-off? Will the next guy after those have the experience and acumen as the first two? Will the third leader have the skills necessary to keep the profit margin in the black?
Same thing here, not all these replacements will have the charisma, leadership skills, financial assets, strategic ken, and overall capabilities as the original leaders.

 

[bluespoke]

That statement is both true and false. For every person killed, yes, there will be others to take their place. However, think of al-Queda as a successful and profitable business. If you kill the CEO of a dynamic business will he replacement be as skilled as the one you knocked-off? Will the next guy after those have the experience and acumen as the first two? Will the third leader have the skills necessary to keep the profit margin in the black?
Same thing here, not all these replacements will have the charisma, leadership skills, financial assets, strategic ken, and overall capabilities as the original leaders.

No, but will they be as fanatical?

Yes, probably more so, fuelled by the death of their leader!

 

[Frimost]

lol
It doesn’t matter if they are any more fanatical or NOT!
They are already fanatical enough to kill innocent people, how much more fanatical can they get? So that there face turns red and then purple and steam literally starts shooting out their ears like in a cartoon?
lol

Fanaticism + skill = real danger

Just fanaticism = no big whoop

 

[bluespoke]

lol
It doesn’t matter if they are any more fanatical or NOT!
They are already fanatical enough to kill innocent people, how much more fanatical can they get? So that there face turns red and then purple and steam literally starts shooting out their ears like in a cartoon?
lol

Fanaticism + skill = real danger

Just fanaticism = no big whoop

Fanatacism without the skill = suicide bomber

Fanatacism without the skill = random hijacking

Fanatacism without the skill = random shootings at airport

Fanatacism without the skill = a hell of a lot of dead people!

But no big whoop!

 

[teddybear4play]

Furthermore, bin Laden has something most of his followers don't, and that's great personal wealth. While there's probably some wealthy oil tycoons who would donate to al-Qaeda's cause if bin Laden were killed, it's not as easy as it is when you have a few million just laying around.

TB4p

 

[bluespoke]

Furthermore, bin Laden has something most of his followers don't, and that's great personal wealth. While there's probably some wealthy oil tycoons who would donate to al-Qaeda's cause if bin Laden were killed, it's not as easy as it is when you have a few million just laying around.

TB4p

You think bin Laden hasn't thought of that?

 

[Frimost]

No

The suicide bomber NEEDS A SKILLED PERSON TO MAKE THE BOMB.

A Hijacker usually needs a skilled person to get them past security when security is tight.

So attempted Hijacking and random shooters need very little skill, and YES, in the grand scheme of things when you look at the big picture it IS no big whoop (except for the people he does manage to kill and their immediate family members).

Fanatacism without the skill = a hell of a lot of dead people!

Wrong, a terrorist without skill like the LAX only managed to kill 2 people. I would put the average range for an unskilled terrorist attack at 0 to 20 people at most. A skilled terrorist can (and has) managed to kill 3,000 people in one big coordinated attack.

People like you fail or are unable to see the big picture in your specious musings.

 

[bluespoke]

No

The suicide bomber NEEDS A SKILLED PERSON TO MAKE THE BOMB.

A Hijacker usually needs a skilled person to get them past security when security is tight.

So attempted Hijacking and random shooters need very little skill, and YES, in the grand scheme of things when you look at the big picture it IS no big whoop (except for the people he does manage to kill and their immediate family members).




Wrong, a terrorist without skill like the LAX only managed to kill 2 people. I would put the average range for an unskilled terrorist attack at 0 to 20 people at most. A skilled terrorist can (and has) managed to kill 3,000 people in one big coordinated attack.

People like you fail or are unable to see the big picture in your specious musings.

One skilled terrorist in the history of the world!

People like you cannot see the overall effect of thousands of unskilled terrorists.

Look at the security tightened after the July 4 'unskilled' terrorist. Still achieved the aim - terror.

Sorry us little people cannot see your bigger picture.

Of course we've only lived with the terrorist threat for nearly 40 years, what do we know!

 

[SINthysist]

Look for them to cover up by creating an account of his demise that has him ascending on a beam of light to heaven and leaving behind these instructions...

 

[Frimost]

Since we are talking about a WAR on terrorism, YES, I stand by everything Is aid. The only reason the July 4th terrorist achieved anything at all was because the media whores completely blew it out of proportion to achieve headlines to sell papers and get ratings.

what do we know!

Well I don't know about we, but certainly you know very little if the point you are trying to make is that killing off the top leadership of a skilled terrorist organization will make very little difference in their proficiency of terror and killings (or organizing such combined operations to achieve this on a mass scale). In fact, if that is what you think, then you don't know jack.

If you want less terror then pull out of N. Ireland...
For us, even if we pulled-out our troops from Saudi Arabia they would still go after us.

 

[SINthysist]

Man, those people are primed to believe it!

HELLO! Anybody listening?

T/F LOL ...

 

[bluespoke]

Since we are talking about a WAR on terrorism, YES, I stand by everything Is aid. The only reason the July 4th terrorist achieved anything at all was because the media whores completely blew it out of proportion to achieve headlines to sell papers and get ratings.



Well I don't know about we, but certainly you know very little if the point you are trying to make is that killing off the top leadership of a skilled terrorist organization will make very little difference in their proficiency of terror and killings (or organizing such combined operations to achieve this on a mass scale). In fact, if that is what you think, then you don't know jack.

If you want less terror then pull out of N. Ireland...
For us, even if we pulled-out our troops from Saudi Arabia they would still go after us.

Sorry didn't realise you were omnipotent.

I bow to your infinite knowledge.

You are obviously the only person here with an opinion. Insulting anyone who disagrees with you is really adult.

Unlike you I was thinking of the effects of all terrorism. Only one organisation appears to have the 'skill' you refer to. Others have managed for years without it. A moron can make a bomb.

Terror does not always need mass deaths. Witness the heightened security on July 4 before the gunman.

 

[Frimost]

I don't know everything, jut a hell of allot more than idiots like you apparently.

Only one organisation appears to have the 'skill' you refer to.

No, many of them do, however the effectiveness of each is measure by a core few of skilled terrorists that make the devastating bombs that do the most damage. THEY are not the mindless morons that strap it on and blow themselves up, they make it FOR those brain-dead drones to use and sacrifice themselves for their cause.

A moron can make a bomb.

Anyone can have an opinion; not everyone’s opinion is valid in that they know what they are speaking of. That quote is an example of the above, you have no knowledge of what you speak of thus your opinion there is about as valuable as toilet paper.

Any moron can TRY to make a bomb! There is a big difference between trying and succeeding. Even if they do manage to make on there is a big difference between a professional bomb that kills 60 people and some crappy, crude gunpowder device that kill 1 and injures 10. As with everything in life, to make something decent takes skill and practice (as well as access to HE in the case of bombs). You MUST be a professional to make a bomb consisting of semtex, C-4, or any other type of plastic HE for even a spark from static electricity can detonate it prematurely while you are making it thus killing yourself and achieving nothing other than your own demise.

Get a friggin clue, why do you think the Colombian FARC Marxist rebels brought in IRA bomb-makers last year to teach them how to make bombs. They already can make bombs, they wanted to know how to make devastating bombs!

Before al-Queda the most skilled terrorist organization was Abu Nidal, it was not the most dangerous because it was big, in fact it was one of the smallest major terrorist organizations around at the time. The reason why Abu Nidal was the most deadly group was because of Abu Nidal and the skilled terrorist he had in his group and the tight organizational structure he ran that made it so difficult to crack his cells.

So you can have your opinions all you want, just don’t expect me to lend credence to them as if you know what you are talking about when you don’t. I can have an opinion on global warming but my opinion is not as knowledgeable as an environmental biologist specializing in research on the ozone.

And as for bombs, Michael Jordan and Shaquille O’Neal are MUCH better than say…Nick Anderson and Uwe Blab. It’s the same thing in everything and the same can be said of bomb making, there are Michael Jordans of bomb-making out there and Corrie Blounts of bomb-making.

 

[bluespoke]

I don't know everything, jut a hell of allot more than idiots like you apparently.

As I said, really adult.

 

[Frimost]

Well at least in this matter….I'm sure you know allot more stuff about other things than I do.

However, I am not afraid to say your knowledge at least on this subject is sorely lacking. That is not an insult, merely a statement of fact so cry elsewhere about it if you wish.