NFL Owners Vote To Move Extra-Point Kicks To 15-Yard Line

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"SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The NFL is moving back extra-point kicks and allowing defenses to score on conversion turnovers.

The owners on Tuesday approved the competition committee's proposal to snap the ball from the 15-yard line on PATs to make them more challenging. In recent seasons, kickers made more than 99 percent of the kicks with the ball snapped from the 2.

"There was strong sentiment coming out of our meetings in March that something had to be done with our extra point," said Texans general manager Rick Smith, a member of the competition committee that proposed this specific rule change. "From a kicking perspective the try was over 99 percent (successful), so we tried to add skill to the play.

"It was also a ceremonial play."

The accepted proposal places the 2-point conversion at the 2, and allows the defense to return a turnover to the other end zone for the two points, similar to the college rule. The defense can also score two points by returning a botched kick.

The change was approved only for 2015, then will be reviewed. But Smith predicts it will become permanent.

"This isn't an experiment," Smith added. "This is a rule change. We expect this to be a part of the game."

The vote was 30-2. Washington and Oakland voted no.

New England and Philadelphia also made suggestions on changing the extra point, but the owners went with the powerful committee's recommendation.

Officiating chief Dean Blandino said the percentage of kicks made from the 33- or 34-yard line has been around 93 percent. And Troy Vincent, in charge of NFL football operations, noted that placekickers can handle such an alteration.

"The kicker's a skill position now," Vincent said. "We're not trying to take the foot out of the game."

A major part of the change is the hope more teams will go for two points. In contrast to the traditional extra point kick from short distance, that is an exciting and usually a critical play.

Some teams could look into 2-point specialists; there's conjecture that Eagles coach Chip Kelly brought in Tim Tebow to potentially fill such a role."



But they let that sacred 12.5-13.5 PSI rule stand. Couldn't tweak it even a little, like maybe 12-14. They've got Brady's feet to the fire, so loving it, of course.

But I like this change in the PAT. At least they did something right, for once.
 
I don't mind. But I do think they're changing too many rules now. It's only one thing that I'm happy of, and that is the fact that Billy Cundiff isn't the Ravens Kicker, anymore. If he was, we will have to go for two after every touchdown.
 
I don't mind. But I do think they're changing too many rules now. It's only one thing that I'm happy of, and that is the fact that Billy Cundiff isn't the Ravens Kicker, anymore. If he was, we will have to go for two after every touchdown.

Damn, smoove. You still got Cundiff in the doghouse after all this time? That's cold. :D
 
Damn, smoove. You still got Cundiff in the doghouse after all this time? That's cold. :D

I honestly don't think I'll ever get over that. How do you call your self a professional and miss something like that? They honestly should investigate for point shaving.
 
I honestly don't think I'll ever get over that. How do you call your self a professional and miss something like that? They honestly should investigate for point shaving.

I think point shaving goes on all the time, but it's difficult to prove. Very difficult. There are so many ways it can be done, and by so many people. You have to accept that it's a part of the game, because it is. Not every game, of course, but a lot of them. Just like in horse racing. Everybody knows it's not completely honest, at every level, but that doesn't stop us from trying to figure out who's going to win. At least the horses are honest. I think. :)
 
I think point shaving goes on all the time, but it's difficult to prove. Very difficult. There are so many ways it can be done, and by so many people. You have to accept that it's a part of the game, because it is. Not every game, of course, but a lot of them. Just like in horse racing. Everybody knows it's not completely honest, at every level, but that doesn't stop us from trying to figure out who's going to win. At least the horses are honest. I think. :)

I swear I think the NBA is rigged. After watching the Allen Iverson documentary, I look at the NBA different. And after the Draft Lottery today I'm a angry Knicks Fan. I love Football too much. So therefore I won't speak about point shaving other than Billy Cundiff. Anything else I won't be able to admit to myself. I hate Billy Cundiff more than I hate LeBron, and that's saying a lot.
 
I swear I think the NBA is rigged. After watching the Allen Iverson documentary, I look at the NBA different. And after the Draft Lottery today I'm a angry Knicks Fan. I love Football too much. So therefore I won't speak about point shaving other than Billy Cundiff. Anything else I won't be able to admit to myself. I hate Billy Cundiff more than I hate LeBron, and that's saying a lot.

It's a proven fact point shaving has gone on in the NBA. I'm sure it goes on in the NFL also. Any time you're talking gambling and big money, there will be cheating. Humans are humans. Liars, cheats, thieves, etc., etc., etc.
 
It's a proven fact point shaving has gone on in the NBA. I'm sure it goes on in the NFL also. Any time you're talking gambling and big money, there will be cheating. Humans are humans. Liars, cheats, thieves, etc., etc., etc.

Yeah, I see your point. It's too much money involved in sports in general, I know some type of dishonestly is going on. It crazy how many people would sell their souls for money. I got a motto, if I won't do it for free, I won't do it for money (to a certain extent). I can't be brought. But it's crazy how many people could be.
 
Yeah, I see your point. It's too much money involved in sports in general, I know some type of dishonestly is going on. It crazy how many people would sell their souls for money. I got a motto, if I won't do it for free, I won't do it for money (to a certain extent). I can't be brought. But it's crazy how many people could be.

Very few people can't be bought. Almost everyone has their price.
 
Or, they could have put the officials in charge of the balls.

This right here.

Why the hell did they ever allow teams to pick out their own footballs in the first place? Why do they get to "doctor" them?

Teams should get the footballs they are given, and make do. Then no one has to worry about psi.

As far as I remember, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning did just fine before they lobbied for the rule change that allows for this nonsense.
 
Oh, and as far as the rule change on PAT . . . I'm sure it'll make a huge difference in a handful of plays. :rolleyes:
 
Oh, and as far as the rule change on PAT . . . I'm sure it'll make a huge difference in a handful of plays. :rolleyes:

It will make more of a difference than you apparently think. There will definitely be more missed kicks, at the very least, and consequently more two point attempts on subsequent scores, at the very least. It's going to be interesting.
 
It will make more of a difference than you apparently think. There will definitely be more missed kicks, at the very least, and consequently more two point attempts on subsequent scores, at the very least. It's going to be interesting.

I doubt it will make much of a difference. Yes, kickers made 99% of extra point attempts, and the connect at about 88% from 30-40 yards (new extra point will be at 32 yards) but how many football games come down to one point?

As for more 2 point conversions, I don't think it'll make a difference. Teams will take 88% over 47% unless they need to points, and if they need the points they'd go for it regardless.

I hope you're right, though.
 
I doubt it will make much of a difference. Yes, kickers made 99% of extra point attempts, and the connect at about 88% from 30-40 yards (new extra point will be at 32 yards) but how many football games come down to one point?

As for more 2 point conversions, I don't think it'll make a difference. Teams will take 88% over 47% unless they need to points, and if they need the points they'd go for it regardless.

I hope you're right, though.

You are apparently not taking into account more teams will be down eight points instead of seven in the second half, and will undoubtedly elect to go for two more often on subsequent scores in order to tie the score.
 
As for the point(s) after touchdown rule change-

I don't think it will make a dime's worth of difference in the kicking. Kickers are professional specialists. They will practice to perfection from the new position.

After further consideration, I think it will be easier now to run or pass, even though it's farther, because the defense won't be as bunched up. Teams score touchdowns from inside the 20 all of the time.
 
I remember when they moved the hash marks.

The players found them and smoked them anyway.
 
Why on earth do they use more than one ball in a football game? I thought a major goal of the game was controlling the possession of a ball. It's kind of moot if there's two bags full of them.

Just try that sometime in the middle of a croquet game, or billiards. "Hang on, I need to change this eight-ball for a fresh one."
 
Why on earth do they use more than one ball in a football game? I thought a major goal of the game was controlling the possession of a ball. It's kind of moot if there's two bags full of them.

Just try that sometime in the middle of a croquet game, or billiards. "Hang on, I need to change this eight-ball for a fresh one."

Golfers don't get away with such hijinks.
 
On Jim Rome's "CBS Sport's Minute" he said he likes the rule it makes the game more entertaining.

Know what else would make it more entertaining? If pass rushers had to count to five Mississippi before they go after the quarterback or if the running back as he is being tackled throws the ball and it hits a referee he gets an automatic first down.

Nevermind the real old timers from the 50's/60's the guys who played football in the eighties have to be disgusted at this point.

The game is becoming a joke.

Because...by the way a not sure thing xtra point will lead to more two point tries or it could lead to more ties and more overtime and more points for fantasy.

The NFL is turning into sandlot football.
 
As for the point(s) after touchdown rule change-

I don't think it will make a dime's worth of difference in the kicking. Kickers are professional specialists. They will practice to perfection from the new position.

After further consideration, I think it will be easier now to run or pass, even though it's farther, because the defense won't be as bunched up. Teams score touchdowns from inside the 20 all of the time.

I think it's virtually guaranteed at least five times more PAT kicks will miss the target from 13 or so yards further out. That will have a definite and noticeable impact on the games, if I'm right about it.
 
As for the point(s) after touchdown rule change-

I don't think it will make a dime's worth of difference in the kicking. Kickers are professional specialists. They will practice to perfection from the new position.

After further consideration, I think it will be easier now to run or pass, even though it's farther, because the defense won't be as bunched up. Teams score touchdowns from inside the 20 all of the time.

EDIT: I think it's virtually guaranteed at least four or five times more PAT kicks will miss the target from 13 or so yards further out. That will have a definite and noticeable impact on the games, if I'm right about it.
 
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