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"Bush knew of terrorist plot to hijack US planes

Jason Burke and Ed Vulliamy in New York
Sunday May 19, 2002
The Observer

George Bush received specific warnings in the weeks before 11 September that an attack inside the United States was being planned by Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network, US government sources said yesterday.
In a top-secret intelligence memo headlined 'Bin Laden determined to strike in the US', the President was told on 6 August that the Saudi-born terrorist hoped to 'bring the fight to America' in retaliation for missile strikes on al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan in 1998.

Bush and his aides, who are facing withering criticism for failing to act on a series of warnings, have previously said intelligence experts had not advised them domestic targets were considered at risk. However, they have admitted they were specifically told that hijacks were being planned.

The news comes as unease about prosecution of the war in Afghanistan grows. British troops deployed near the eastern Afghan city of Khost failed yesterday to locate any of the al-Qaeda fighters who, it is claimed, ambushed an Australian SAS patrol.

Senior sources at the Ministry of Defence said yesterday that the al-Qaeda or Taliban fighters who were being pursued were numbered in 'tens'. Escape routes have been cut off by coalition forces, the sources said.

'There has been no combat. We have established a forward operating base and are now clearing the area,' said Lt-Col Ben Curry, spokesman for the Royal Marines at Bagram air base.

MoD sources also said that the mystery illness which has struck British troops at Bagram has been identified as the winter vomiting disease which swept Britain earlier this year. The disease is common around the world and is caused by poor sanitation and hygeine. One possibility is that food brought in by civilian contractors through Pakistan may be to blame.

An American operation in the east of Afghanistan has also been criticised after hundreds of troops deployed after a series of missile attacks on US troops in Khost failed to find the enemy or to prevent new attacks.

For the first time in the war on terrorism, which has pushed his popularity levels to almost unheard of heights, Bush and his administration are on the defensive. The White House has revealed that Bush asked for an intelligence analysis of al-Qaeda attacks within the US because most of the information presented to him over the summer focused on threats to targets overseas.

However, there are growing demands for an independent investigation. The intelligence services have already been heavily criticised for failing to act on a series of clues that might have led them to the hijackers.

Sources quoted by the Washington Post and ABC TV said that at least two names listed in a July 2001 FBI memo about an Arizona flight school had been identified by the CIA as having links to al-Qaeda. But the memo was not acted on or distributed to outside agencies.

And, while administration officials have said repeatedly that intelligence analysts never imagined that terrorists would use planes in a suicide attack, a 1999 report for the National Intelligence Council warned that fanatics loyal to bin Laden might try to hijack a jetliner and fly it into the Pentagon.

The memo received by Bush on 6 August contained unconfirmed information passed on by British intelligence in 1998 revealing that al-Qaeda operatives had discussed hijacking a plane to negotiate the release of Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, the Muslim cleric imprisoned in America for his part in a plot to blow up the World Trade Centre in 1993.

Plans for ousting the Taliban and dismantling the al-Qaeda network were already under way when the terrorists struck in New York and at the Pentagon. One option was to arm Afghanistan's Northern Alliance - a ploy eventually used successfully during the war last autumn."


"The Sunday Times - World

May 19, 2002

Bin Laden film vows revenge on the UK
Dipesh Gadher

AN ENCRYPTED video containing previously unseen footage of Osama Bin Laden singling out Britain as a terrorist target has been obtained by The Sunday Times.

The 40-minute propaganda film includes an interview with the Al-Qaeda leader, recorded after the start of the West's offensive in Afghanistan, in which he compares the conflict with the medieval crusade led by Richard the Lion-Heart.

Another short section shows the terrorist warlord speaking about martyrdom against the backdrop of a fertile plain and hills that his supporters claim, was filmed just eight weeks ago. If true, it would provide the first evidence that Bin Laden survived the recent allied attacks on the Tora Bora mountain complex in Afghanistan.

The film's existence is revealed as US intelligence agencies report a number of communications among Al-Qaeda members that suggest the organisation is plotting to carry out an operation at least as big as the September 11 attacks.

Debbie Weierman, an FBI spokesman, said last night that the agencies had received "non-specific" information that Al-Qaeda could be planning to rent a flat and pack it with explosives. She said that FBI offices and local apartment managers around the country had been alerted.

Last Friday a London-based Arabic newspaper claimed that Mullah Omar, the former Taliban leader, whose whereabouts are also unknown, had confirmed in an interview that Bin Laden was still alive.

According to a Birmingham-based Islamic news agency, which obtained the film of Bin Laden, it was passed to one of its journalists by a Pakistani intelligence official who said the "new" segment had been filmed in March.

The tape arrived in Britain on an encrypted CD-Rom and was decoded by the agency last week. The "new" footage shows Bin Laden sitting under a tree outside a stone building on what appears to be a pleasant spring evening, wearing a camouflage jacket and an Afghan pakul hat. He is filmed discussing jihad and martyrdom with several armed henchmen.

In the sequence Bin Laden appears more gaunt than in previous footage and his delivery lacks some of the zeal of previous broadcasts.

"Concerning the situation that we are in, we must praise Allah that he has allowed us to follow the path of [men who are among] the best of creation," he says. Quoting from an Islamic scripture, Bin Laden adds: "I wish that I would go to jihad and die."

Whitehall sources, who have yet to view the film, said the transcript did not provide enough clues to date it. Other experts were sceptical that Bin Laden was still alive, believing Al-Qaeda would have publicised his survival more directly.

The film is interspersed with images of the attacks on the World Trade Center and footage of western leaders meeting their Middle Eastern counterparts. One clip shows Tony Blair being greeted by Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia. The film also includes a lengthy tribute to Al-Qaeda men allegedly killed in action.

The opening sequence, however, is likely to be of greatest interest to the British authorities. It features an interview with Bin Laden carried out by a reporter from Al-Jazeera, the Qatar-based television station.

Filmed by Al-Qaeda cameramen last October, it has not been broadcast to date because Al-Jazeera executives judged that they had not had sufficient control over the interview.

Bin Laden makes it clear that any country siding with Israel and America is a target for Islamic terrorists. "The war is between us and the Jews," he says. "Any country that steps into the same trench as the Jews has only herself to blame."

Referring to an earlier warning made by Sheikh Sulaiman Abu Gaith, a spokesman for Al-Qaeda, Bin Laden adds that if the sheikh "specifically targeted Britain and America — this war is not confined to them — it served as an opportunity for other nations to revise their stance".

He then proceeds to draw parallels between the war on terror and the crusades of the 12th and 13th centuries. "This war is similar to the previous crusades, led by Richard the Lion-Heart, [King Frederick] Barbarossa of Germany and Louis [IX] of France. In the present age, they rally behind [George] Bush," he says.

Shortly after becoming king of England in 1189, Richard I set out on the third crusade and in 1191 captured Acre, in what is now Israel. His most notorious act was ordering the execution of 2,700 Muslim prisoners.

Another part of the film features images of several Al-Qaeda "martyrs" believed to have been killed in fighting in Kandahar.

Intelligence officials in Washington who have intercepted Al-Qaeda communications say they have increased in the past month and relate to a possible attack in Europe, the Arabian peninsula or America. Some information has come from interviews with fighters captured in Afghanistan."

ppman
 
p_p_man said:
"Bush knew of terrorist plot to hijack US planes

Jason Burke and Ed Vulliamy in New York
Sunday May 19, 2002
The Observer

George Bush received specific warnings in the weeks before 11 September that an attack inside the United States was being planned by Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network, US government sources said yesterday.
In a top-secret intelligence memo headlined 'Bin Laden determined to strike in the US', the President was told on 6 August that the Saudi-born terrorist hoped to 'bring the fight to America' in retaliation for missile strikes on al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan in 1998.

Bush and his aides, who are facing withering criticism for failing to act on a series of warnings, have previously said intelligence experts had not advised them domestic targets were considered at risk. However, they have admitted they were specifically told that hijacks were being planned.

The news comes as unease about prosecution of the war in Afghanistan grows. British troops deployed near the eastern Afghan city of Khost failed yesterday to locate any of the al-Qaeda fighters who, it is claimed, ambushed an Australian SAS patrol.

Senior sources at the Ministry of Defence said yesterday that the al-Qaeda or Taliban fighters who were being pursued were numbered in 'tens'. Escape routes have been cut off by coalition forces, the sources said.

'There has been no combat. We have established a forward operating base and are now clearing the area,' said Lt-Col Ben Curry, spokesman for the Royal Marines at Bagram air base.

MoD sources also said that the mystery illness which has struck British troops at Bagram has been identified as the winter vomiting disease which swept Britain earlier this year. The disease is common around the world and is caused by poor sanitation and hygeine. One possibility is that food brought in by civilian contractors through Pakistan may be to blame.

An American operation in the east of Afghanistan has also been criticised after hundreds of troops deployed after a series of missile attacks on US troops in Khost failed to find the enemy or to prevent new attacks.

For the first time in the war on terrorism, which has pushed his popularity levels to almost unheard of heights, Bush and his administration are on the defensive. The White House has revealed that Bush asked for an intelligence analysis of al-Qaeda attacks within the US because most of the information presented to him over the summer focused on threats to targets overseas.

However, there are growing demands for an independent investigation. The intelligence services have already been heavily criticised for failing to act on a series of clues that might have led them to the hijackers.

Sources quoted by the Washington Post and ABC TV said that at least two names listed in a July 2001 FBI memo about an Arizona flight school had been identified by the CIA as having links to al-Qaeda. But the memo was not acted on or distributed to outside agencies.

And, while administration officials have said repeatedly that intelligence analysts never imagined that terrorists would use planes in a suicide attack, a 1999 report for the National Intelligence Council warned that fanatics loyal to bin Laden might try to hijack a jetliner and fly it into the Pentagon.

The memo received by Bush on 6 August contained unconfirmed information passed on by British intelligence in 1998 revealing that al-Qaeda operatives had discussed hijacking a plane to negotiate the release of Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, the Muslim cleric imprisoned in America for his part in a plot to blow up the World Trade Centre in 1993.

Plans for ousting the Taliban and dismantling the al-Qaeda network were already under way when the terrorists struck in New York and at the Pentagon. One option was to arm Afghanistan's Northern Alliance - a ploy eventually used successfully during the war last autumn."


"The Sunday Times - World

May 19, 2002

Bin Laden film vows revenge on the UK
Dipesh Gadher

AN ENCRYPTED video containing previously unseen footage of Osama Bin Laden singling out Britain as a terrorist target has been obtained by The Sunday Times.

The 40-minute propaganda film includes an interview with the Al-Qaeda leader, recorded after the start of the West's offensive in Afghanistan, in which he compares the conflict with the medieval crusade led by Richard the Lion-Heart.

Another short section shows the terrorist warlord speaking about martyrdom against the backdrop of a fertile plain and hills that his supporters claim, was filmed just eight weeks ago. If true, it would provide the first evidence that Bin Laden survived the recent allied attacks on the Tora Bora mountain complex in Afghanistan.

The film's existence is revealed as US intelligence agencies report a number of communications among Al-Qaeda members that suggest the organisation is plotting to carry out an operation at least as big as the September 11 attacks.

Debbie Weierman, an FBI spokesman, said last night that the agencies had received "non-specific" information that Al-Qaeda could be planning to rent a flat and pack it with explosives. She said that FBI offices and local apartment managers around the country had been alerted.

Last Friday a London-based Arabic newspaper claimed that Mullah Omar, the former Taliban leader, whose whereabouts are also unknown, had confirmed in an interview that Bin Laden was still alive.

According to a Birmingham-based Islamic news agency, which obtained the film of Bin Laden, it was passed to one of its journalists by a Pakistani intelligence official who said the "new" segment had been filmed in March.

The tape arrived in Britain on an encrypted CD-Rom and was decoded by the agency last week. The "new" footage shows Bin Laden sitting under a tree outside a stone building on what appears to be a pleasant spring evening, wearing a camouflage jacket and an Afghan pakul hat. He is filmed discussing jihad and martyrdom with several armed henchmen.

In the sequence Bin Laden appears more gaunt than in previous footage and his delivery lacks some of the zeal of previous broadcasts.

"Concerning the situation that we are in, we must praise Allah that he has allowed us to follow the path of [men who are among] the best of creation," he says. Quoting from an Islamic scripture, Bin Laden adds: "I wish that I would go to jihad and die."

Whitehall sources, who have yet to view the film, said the transcript did not provide enough clues to date it. Other experts were sceptical that Bin Laden was still alive, believing Al-Qaeda would have publicised his survival more directly.

The film is interspersed with images of the attacks on the World Trade Center and footage of western leaders meeting their Middle Eastern counterparts. One clip shows Tony Blair being greeted by Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia. The film also includes a lengthy tribute to Al-Qaeda men allegedly killed in action.

The opening sequence, however, is likely to be of greatest interest to the British authorities. It features an interview with Bin Laden carried out by a reporter from Al-Jazeera, the Qatar-based television station.

Filmed by Al-Qaeda cameramen last October, it has not been broadcast to date because Al-Jazeera executives judged that they had not had sufficient control over the interview.

Bin Laden makes it clear that any country siding with Israel and America is a target for Islamic terrorists. "The war is between us and the Jews," he says. "Any country that steps into the same trench as the Jews has only herself to blame."

Referring to an earlier warning made by Sheikh Sulaiman Abu Gaith, a spokesman for Al-Qaeda, Bin Laden adds that if the sheikh "specifically targeted Britain and America — this war is not confined to them — it served as an opportunity for other nations to revise their stance".

He then proceeds to draw parallels between the war on terror and the crusades of the 12th and 13th centuries. "This war is similar to the previous crusades, led by Richard the Lion-Heart, [King Frederick] Barbarossa of Germany and Louis [IX] of France. In the present age, they rally behind [George] Bush," he says.

Shortly after becoming king of England in 1189, Richard I set out on the third crusade and in 1191 captured Acre, in what is now Israel. His most notorious act was ordering the execution of 2,700 Muslim prisoners.

Another part of the film features images of several Al-Qaeda "martyrs" believed to have been killed in fighting in Kandahar.

Intelligence officials in Washington who have intercepted Al-Qaeda communications say they have increased in the past month and relate to a possible attack in Europe, the Arabian peninsula or America. Some information has come from interviews with fighters captured in Afghanistan."

ppman

Send them over on the Concorde pp. I'm short of toilet paper.

Ishmael
 
Re: Re: News from the UK's Sunday papers...

Ishmael said:


Send them over on the Concorde pp. I'm short of toilet paper.

Ishmael

I suppose that's your idea of a joke.

As you are so proud of your ability to dedeuce and form opinions from information around you I would have thought that any news from areas outside of the US would be useful to you.

Or are you only Ishmael - 'I am my own source-I need no other' - when the information fits your own concocted ill thought out theories?

ppman
 
kotori said:
Yeah, but what does "News of the World" have to say?

Ahh, the good old "News of the Screws". A newspaper you could once rely upon to give you all the juicy sex scandals going on during the previous week.

Especially amongst the clergy...

Alas it is a sad shadow of its former self...

ppman
 
You all are getting screwed...that was headline news on Wed and Thu in the U.S....we've already begun criticizing him and getting criticized for criticizing him....the tension is thick enough to pass off as jerky and sell it....
 
p_p_man said:


Ahh, the good old "News of the Screws". A newspaper you could once rely upon to give you all the juicy sex scandals going on during the previous week.

Especially amongst the clergy...

Alas it is a sad shadow of its former self...

ppman

oh yeah. some good, old fassioned, trust-worthy journalists.

don't make me beat you with the Chair Leg of Truth.
 
Shaq said:
You all are getting screwed...that was headline news on Wed and Thu in the U.S....we've already begun criticizing him and getting criticized for criticizing him....the tension is thick enough to pass off as jerky and sell it....

Yeah over here as well...

But these are the Sundays.

Designed for light reading of heavy material before the pubs open...

:D
 
p_p_man said:
A newspaper you could once rely upon to give you all the juicy sex scandals going on during the previous week.

Especially amongst the clergy...
That maybe because sex scandals of the clergy are front page above the fold in the N.Y. Times these days--too much competition.
 
Confused ...

Have I missed te point here? P.P.Man seems to have gone to the trouble of typing out two articles from reputable UK newspapers, thinking the may just be of interest to the rest of the world - particularly those of you in the States.

I am struggling to understand why his post attracted such a dismissive response. Is it because you have heard it all before? Is it because a UK view of events is not important? Why?
 
Re: Confused ...

Starfire said:
Have I missed te point here? P.P.Man seems to have gone to the trouble of typing out two articles from reputable UK newspapers, thinking the may just be of interest to the rest of the world - particularly those of you in the States.

I am struggling to understand why his post attracted such a dismissive response. Is it because you have heard it all before? Is it because a UK view of events is not important? Why?

it's b/c he cuts and pastes.
 
Re: Confused ...

Starfire said:
Have I missed the point here?
Yes. It's all part of a little game.
P.P.Man seems to have gone to the trouble of typing out two articles from reputable UK newspapers, thinking the may just be of interest to the rest of the world - particularly those of you in the States.
I think you're slightly off on his motivation. p_p_man likes to tweak the States generally, and takes great pleasure (it seems to me) in going particularly after Bush and the conservatives.
I am struggling to understand why his post attracted such a dismissive response. Is it because you have heard it all before?
From p_p_man, yes. He's a bit of a "Johnny One-Note."
Is it because a UK view of events is not important? Why?
Not at all, an many here appreciate the perspective from outside. There are many others however, who are quite jingoistic and xenophobic.

But mostly, it' just a little game: p_p_man posts a bit of anti-American journalism, and the Americans either ignor him or deride him. And everybody's friends.
 
Re: Confused ...

Starfire said:
Have I missed te point here?

I'm really forcing UK culture down the throats of our American cousins.

As it's traditional to read the 'Sundays' in the morning before the pubs open, I thought Literoticans might want to share in the experience.

It's not meant to controversial or looking for a response just a bit of fun and maybe information on how we're seeing the news of the week on this side of the Atlantic.

Now where are the funny pages?

:D
 
ahhhhhhhhh ..........

Kotori ... Scylis ... I see. I thought there may have been a bit of history behind this thread. Thank you ... I'll be on my way now with The Sunday Sport .... quality! :)
 
Re: Re: Confused ...

p_p_man said:
I'm really forcing UK culture down the throats of our American cousins.

As it's traditional to read the 'Sundays' in the morning before the pubs open, I thought Literoticans might want to share in the experience.
Sunday morning UK culture? I'll have a bowl of Wheatabix, 'queue. No, maybe kippers and a grilled tomato.
 
Re: ahhhhhhhhh ..........

Starfire said:
Kotori ... Scylis ... I see. I thought there may have been a bit of history behind this thread. Thank you ... I'll be on my way now with The Sunday Sport .... quality! :)

What are the tits like in the 'Sport' today?

:D
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Confused ...

p_p_man said:


:confused:

Wassatt then?

:D
I think I meant "thank you." I should go to bed, it's 6:00 am EDT. Maybe I should have spelt it "'k-you." That doesn't look right either. Now I'm :confused:
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Confused ...

kotori said:
I think I meant "thank you." I should go to bed, it's 6:00 am EDT. Maybe I should have spelt it "'k-you." That doesn't look right either. Now I'm :confused:

Oh...

ppman

:D
 
Re: Confused ...

Starfire said:
Have I missed te point here? P.P.Man seems to have gone to the trouble of typing out two articles from reputable UK newspapers, thinking the may just be of interest to the rest of the world - particularly those of you in the States.

I am struggling to understand why his post attracted such a dismissive response. Is it because you have heard it all before? Is it because a UK view of events is not important? Why?

LOL

He didn't type them.

When ya get to know pp better you'll understand.

Ishmael
 
Re: Re: Re: News from the UK's Sunday papers...

p_p_man said:


I suppose that's your idea of a joke.

As you are so proud of your ability to dedeuce and form opinions from information around you I would have thought that any news from areas outside of the US would be useful to you.

Or are you only Ishmael - 'I am my own source-I need no other' - when the information fits your own concocted ill thought out theories?

ppman

Hey, watch the coffee intake. Remember what your doctor told you?

The one article was interesting, the other passe'.

The UK papers are still yelling their heads off about the breifing, and over here the Democrats are running for cover. Oh well.

Ishmael

PS. There's a site over here that provides links to most of the worlds newspapers. Seven or eight to UK dailies.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: News from the UK's Sunday papers...

Ishmael said:
PS. There's a site over here that provides links to most of the worlds newspapers. Seven or eight to UK dailies.

No! Really? You have those as well do you?

I'd never have guessed...

:p
 
Question 1 - Why the fuck do you open his theads if you can't stand the guy?

Question 2 - Why didn't the FBI check out every damned flight school in the United States?

So we knew there was a threat. Okay, how do you respond to the threat? You can't have armed F-16s flying over every major target area with orders to shoot down any aircraft that deviate from their flight plan. Hell that happens every day, the deviation I mean.

What if we had shot down the planes over NYC? How many still would have died? Planes have to crash some where. There wasn't time to take them down over open country. There is no open country in that area.

I am still pissed that we didn't check out the flight schools. How hard would have that been to carry out?

Peace Uncle PP.
 
For how long have I been telling you that the next attack will be on London via the Thames via a barge loaded with explosives and radioactive waste?
 
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