Newly declassified memos detail extent of improper Obama-era NSA spying

[TalkRadio]

The National Security Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation violated specific civil liberty protections during the Obama years by improperly searching and disseminating raw intelligence on Americans or failing to promptly delete unauthorized intercepts, according to newly declassified memos that provide some of the richest detail to date on the spy agencies’ ability to obey their own rules.

The memos reviewed by The Hill were publicly released on July 11 through Freedom of Information Act litigation by the American Civil Liberties Union.

They detail specific violations that the NSA or FBI disclosed to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court or the Justice Department's national security division during President Obama’s tenure between 2009 and 2016. The intelligence community isn't due to report on compliance issues for 2017, the first year under the Trump administration, until next spring.

The NSA says that the missteps amount to a small number — less than 1 percent — when compared to the hundreds of thousands of specific phone numbers and email addresses the agencies intercepted through the so-called Section 702 warrantless spying program created by Congress in late 2008.

There also were several instances in which Americans’ unmasked names were improperly shared inside the intelligence community without being redacted, a violation of the so-called minimization procedures that President Obama loosened in 2011 that are supposed to protect an Americans' identity from disclosure when they are intercepted without a warrant. Numerous times improperly unmasked information about Americans had to be recalled and purged after the fact, the memos stated.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...memos-detail-extent-of-improper-obama-era-nsa

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Doesn't matter.




He killed Osama...

 

[TalkRadio]

Doesn't matter.




He killed Osama...

It seems Obama "'slept on it' as tense military chiefs awaited decision."

Obama took SIXTEEN HOURS to make up his mind about Bin Laden mission
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Laden-dead-Obama-took-16-hours-make-mind.html

 

[TalkRadio]

Doesn't matter.




He killed Osama...

I'm enjoying the drip, drip, drip of all the Obama "missteps."

 

[Colonel Hogan]

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...l-extent-of-improper-obama-era-nsa spying[/B]

Does "improper Obama-era-NSA spying" constitute a euphemistic character smear in connection with a surveillance act which the President never ordered?

Yeah, I think so. Try not to act like a pinheaded liberal!!

The NSA occasionally fucks up. They will occasionally fuck up under Trump as well. Oh, and they went back and purged the names of Americans that had been improperly unmasked??? IOW, they fixed it.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"Where do I go to get my reputation back?"

 

[Colonel Hogan]

It seems Obama "'slept on it' as tense military chiefs awaited decision."

Obama took SIXTEEN HOURS to make up his mind about Bin Laden mission
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Laden-dead-Obama-took-16-hours-make-mind.html

Talk about beating a dead horse.... Would OBL be any more appropriately dead if Obama had made the decision in 20 minutes??

Don't you have any other windmills to tilt against?

 

[Rightguide]

Does "improper Obama-era-NSA spying" constitute a euphemistic character smear in connection with a surveillance act which the President never ordered?

Yeah, I think so. Try not to act like a pinheaded liberal!!

The NSA occasionally fucks up. They will occasionally fuck up under Trump as well. Oh, and they went back and purged the names of Americans that had been improperly unmasked??? IOW, they fixed it.

Improper unmasking is a felony, why haven't those who "fucked up" gone to jail? You've been making excuses for these assholes and their alleged "mistakes" since I've been here. out here in the real world once felonies are committed it usually too friggin late to say you're sorry.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

"Where do I go to get my reputation back?"

It's like your car keys. It's always in the last place you look.

Secondly, the "improper" unmasking of an American identity may, depending on the context, have absolutely no detrimental impact on your reputation whatsoever. Maybe the surveillance target merely mentioned that he bought your old pickup truck or happened to call you to get a prospective bid from your company. There are all sorts of circumstances which could wind up with your identity being collected and improperly unmasked that are "reputationally neutral."

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If they are out in the hinterlands meeting with some Russian/Chinese/Saudi trade delegate, then you're probably right. If it is a political name, from the other party, as we are still currently witnessing, your name is getting out there by way of leak in order to tarnish/damage your reputation or even kill your career and like Obama before him, it has taken Sessions way too long to get serious about these leaks, seemingly not desiring to act until it was his name being leaked. Maybe he should have just recused himself, like Mueller did...

 

[jaF0]

Double edged sword here. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. situation.


Suppose two or more people here on this board are using PMs to make plans for an orgy including married and un married and may include BDSM and other kinks? Things like that are illegal in many places.


Now suppose two or more people here are using PMs to trade minors? Illegal everywhere.

Now suppose two or more people are using PMs to plot a bank robbery to fund a terrorist act.

If NSA somehow got wind of any of the above and found a way to monitor those PMs to prevent the plan from being carried out how would you feel?

 

[richard_daily]

The NSA should be de-funded. I'm sure all of the small government "conservatives" on here agree.

 

[Rightguide]

The NSA should be de-funded. I'm sure all of the small government "conservatives" on here agree.

I don't think it should be totally defunded but it needs to be heavily policed we have a Constitution and the 4th Amendment for a reason. Larry Klayman has written a letter to Chairman Nunes of the House Intel Committee about whistle blower Dennis Montgomery who has submitted evidence to the FBI that:

"shows that the intelligence agencies, particularly under former Obama Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and former Obama CIA Director John Brennan and their minions, spied illegally and unconstitutionally on prominent Americans, including the chief justice of the Supreme Court, other SCOTUS justices, 156 judges, prominent businessmen like Donald Trump and even yours truly. Indeed, in addition to the mass surveillance revealed by Edward Snowden, these spy agencies, during the Obama administration, spied on “anyone who was anyone” in terms of their perceived status in society. The presumed and logical likely purpose of this spying? The potential for extortion and blackmail by the Obama administration."

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/the-whistleblower-devin-nunes-must-hear-from/#6GIfxMvlzRW92ubz.99

 

[richard_daily]

I don't think it should be totally defunded but it needs to be heavily policed we have a Constitution and the 4th Amendment for a reason. Larry Klayman has written a letter to Chairman Nunes of the House Intel Committee about whistle blower Dennis Montgomery who has submitted evidence to the FBI that:

"shows that the intelligence agencies, particularly under former Obama Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and former Obama CIA Director John Brennan and their minions, spied illegally and unconstitutionally on prominent Americans, including the chief justice of the Supreme Court, other SCOTUS justices, 156 judges, prominent businessmen like Donald Trump and even yours truly. Indeed, in addition to the mass surveillance revealed by Edward Snowden, these spy agencies, during the Obama administration, spied on “anyone who was anyone” in terms of their perceived status in society. The presumed and logical likely purpose of this spying? The potential for extortion and blackmail by the Obama administration."

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/the-whistleblower-devin-nunes-must-hear-from/#6GIfxMvlzRW92ubz.99

What has the Trump administration done to stop this?

Please be specific.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Improper unmasking is a felony, why haven't those who "fucked up" gone to jail? You've been making excuses for these assholes and their alleged "mistakes" since I've been here. out here in the real world once felonies are committed it usually too friggin late to say you're sorry.

Because you continue to be full of shit legally.

You're confusing improper unmasking by the NSA with the felonious leaking of classified information, including the identity on an unmasked American citizen, to unauthorized persons by, say, someone "like" Susan Rice, who was thoroughly authorized to request and receive the unmasked American identity in the first place.

Improper unmasking itself, including minimization procedures, are governed by Title 50, Chapter 36 of the United States Code. Criminal sanctions under Section 1809 of that title and chapter require the illegal collection of intelligence by an NSA or other intelligence agency employee to be "intentional." Just like any other criminal felony.

It sort of argues against "intent" when the NSA reports their fuck ups to the FISA courts. That's probably why. And I'm pretty sure that if an NSA employee ever does go to jail, they will most certainly have been fired first. You know, just like the CIA does when they find moles in their midst like Aldrich Ames.

Why the hell do you have this idea that the NSA only wants to violate American civil liberties for the sheer hell of it and then only under Democratic Presidential administrations?

 

[jaF0]

"shows that the intelligence agencies, particularly under former Obama Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and former Obama CIA Director John Brennan and their minions, spied illegally and unconstitutionally on prominent Americans, including the chief justice of the Supreme Court, other SCOTUS justices, 156 judges, prominent businessmen like Donald Trump and even yours truly.

I'm not sure that's bad. I have serious questions about the ethics of the Bench in general and I think maybe they should be subject to additional monitoring. Many of their rulings seem to indicate they've been influenced by special interest groups.

And top businessmen? Definitely they should be more closely monitored.

 

[Rightguide]

I'm not sure that's bad. I have serious questions about the ethics of the Bench in general and I think maybe they should be subject to additional monitoring. Many of their rulings seem to indicate they've been influenced by special interest groups.

And top businessmen? Definitely they should be more closely monitored.

So, you agree an administration of our government can break the law and illegally apply the national security apparatus of the United States to spy on, possibly blackmail, influence or destroy, its domestic political enemies?

 

[Rightguide]

Because you continue to be full of shit legally.

You're confusing improper unmasking by the NSA with the felonious leaking of classified information, including the identity on an unmasked American citizen, to unauthorized persons by, say, someone "like" Susan Rice, who was thoroughly authorized to request and receive the unmasked American identity in the first place.

Improper unmasking itself, including minimization procedures, are governed by Title 50, Chapter 36 of the United States Code. Criminal sanctions under Section 1809 of that title and chapter require the illegal collection of intelligence by an NSA or other intelligence agency employee to be "intentional." Just like any other criminal felony.

It sort of argues against "intent" when the NSA reports their fuck ups to the FISA courts. That's probably why. And I'm pretty sure that if an NSA employee ever does go to jail, they will most certainly have been fired first. You know, just like the CIA does when they find moles in their midst like Aldrich Ames.

Why the hell do you have this idea that the NSA only wants to violate American civil liberties for the sheer hell of it and then only under Democratic Presidential administrations?

You have to be terminally naive if you think there isn't an active concerted political agenda behind the efforts of the Intel community under the last administration as reported to James Comey and Chairman Nunes by whistle blower Dennis Montgomery and litigated on by Larry Klayman, reported on by Sara Carter and John Solomon. I pointed to Montgomery's revelation to Chairman Nunes in my last post to Richard Daly as I did months ago.

 

[jaF0]

So, you agree ...

... that high level officials and Justices should be under much closer scrutiny including some covert surveillance.

 

[richard_daily]

You have to be terminally naive if you think there isn't an active concerted political agenda behind the efforts of the Intel community under the last administration as reported to James Comey and Chairman Nunes by whistle blower Dennis Montgomery and litigated on by Larry Klayman, reported on by Sara Carter and John Solomon. I pointed to Montgomery's revelation to Chairman Nunes in my last post to Richard Daly as I did months ago.

And again, what has the Trump administration done to reverse this?

Please be specific.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

You have to be terminally naive if you think there isn't an active concerted political agenda behind the efforts of the Intel community under the last administration as reported to James Comey and Chairman Nunes by whistle blower Dennis Montgomery and litigated on by Larry Klayman, reported on by Sara Carter and John Solomon. I pointed to Montgomery's revelation to Chairman Nunes in my last post to Richard Daly as I did months ago.

And you're worse than terminally naive if you believe the rantings of a shyster who committed fraud against the CIA. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/24/cia_montgomery/

But, hey, maybe Carter or Solomon will be the next Attorney General after Sessions and you'll finally get that justice you're seeking.