Newbie Looking for advice on publishing Noncon works.

[PhilayNSauce]

*I am nervous about posting, and I feel like my writing/post here kinda shows it. I am all over the place..

I have been writing for years. When I get in the mood, I write out some insanely long stories that just kinda go everywhere to get me in the mood. I have never pursued writing them in the sense to be published.. but I write them a lot. And I am starting to wonder if it is a waste of time if they never see the light of day. (yes i understand some people are okay with this)

However, I never seem to find story-lines written like I like to read? Very rarely to I get a HEA from trying to read stuff or even watch things, but I enjoy reading and I certainly enjoy writing. So I figured I would come here and try to ask for opinions/advice.

I write heavily Noncon/reluctance but usually as a past sense and the story is typically about the character finding their happily ever after with someone new. Though I do like to write the noncon scenes for myself, I often actually skip over them in my writing, leaving a Scene marker to go back to later when I am in the mood. The story typically revolves around the "New Life" and trying to get over the traumas with a new person. In some cases the aggressor is a kidnapping or some other way of them getting sexually abused after they have gone far in progressing, setting them back and the partner needing to help them get better again.

So, I am not sure if it is just an odd taste, if I am not using the correct search criteria/terminology, or if this is just some form of NoNo that I may be missing.

Now when I say publishing, I don't mean out in the real world(outside of sex sites), or heck, maybe I do? I don't even know. I have kind of ignored all possibility of publishing my more sexual works, so I really don't even now the options I would have. I have never posted to sex story sort of sites either, just because I have never really looked into it.

Would it be worth it to try and edit some of my works and publish here on Literotica?
Is it possible to get feedback on writing?
I have seen a few thread titles about publishing books on amazon, assuming through KDP, but I thought they had really cracked down on "too sexualized" works? have I missed something?

I am at heart a writer of all sorts. My main focus is apocalyptic and political supernatural, rather far topics from my sexual works. So writing them is not an issue, it is if i should find a place to publish, and how to go about such a thing in a more.. professional sense? I don't want to be just tossing out stories just to have people rub one out, I am still aiming for at least a porn with plot and a sense of community that I can chat with.
To be honest this forum is rather difficult for me to navigate and understand, so it might take me a bit to get around.

Any help would be much appreciated. If there are other threads similar to any of my questions, I would be grateful to have them pointed out to me.

 

[LAHomedog]

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Would it be worth it to try and edit some of my works and publish here on Literotica?
Is it possible to get feedback on writing?

I am still aiming for at least a porn with plot and a sense of community that I can chat with.
To be honest this forum is rather difficult for me to navigate and understand, so it might take me a bit to get around.

Any help would be much appreciated. If there are other threads similar to any of my questions, I would be grateful to have them pointed out to me.

Hi -- FYI, I write Non-Con stories that end up happily ever after frequently. (You can find them via my link below if you are interested.) I also use flashbacks all of the time. I'm not the only one. There are many authors on here who do the same.

Also, plot and character are essential to me both as a writer and a reader. I appreciate the folks who write "short strokers," but that is not my thing.

So, first some encouragement: YES! Write, submit, publish. I was a reader on her for 10-15 years and a volunteer editor for a few before taking the plunge and submitting last year. It's worth it. Go for it. Please try it.

Next, if you want I will gladly read a story or two of yours as long as they are not really, really long. (Send me a PM.) BTW, I am currently editing/coaching/helping four other writers. Two are Non-Con, two have flashbacks, and three are love stories. HEA does happen here.

Good luck.

 

[KeithD]

As you indicate you like to write HEA endings, you may find a good fit here for your noncon stories. Meeting Literotica noncon restrictions is more limiting than at some other sites, though, so you might find it tricky going here.

 

[AlinaX]

Sounds like dark erotica / dark romance to me.

Literotica's NonCon category is an interesting place. I think 99% of the stories there leave me cold either immediately or within a page, but every so often I find stories I can enjoy.

 

[SimonDoom]

Trying to be helpful, not dismissive.

What, exactly, is your question? Boil everything down that you are asking about into a single overriding question. What do you want to know? I've read your post twice, and I'm not sure. I don't know exactly what you are trying to do, so it's hard to know how to give advice.

My general thoughts:

Literotica is a big site with a ton of readers of every imaginable interest. So if your basic question is, should I publish a story here? Then my answer is "yes." Do it and see what happens.

Don't overthink before you write. It's a common mistake. Just write, and see what happens. Then publish, and see what happens. You will learn more by doing this than you will by posing hypothetical questions before you start writing.

If you want feedback, then write and publish a story and then ask for feedback in the Feedback Forum. My suggestion is to write a short standalone story so you can get quick feedback without getting invested in some deep, long novel.

Read stories here at Literotica and do a search for and check out some articles that have been written about erotic writing. Read the Authors' Hangout threads. You'll get a better feel for what flies and what doesn't. There's a readership here for almost everything.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I am at heart a writer of all sorts. My main focus is apocalyptic and political supernatural, rather far topics from my sexual works. So writing them is not an issue, it is if i should find a place to publish, and how to go about such a thing in a more.. professional sense? I don't want to be just tossing out stories just to have people rub one out, I am still aiming for at least a porn with plot and a sense of community that I can chat with.
To be honest this forum is rather difficult for me to navigate and understand, so it might take me a bit to get around.

Any help would be much appreciated. If there are other threads similar to any of my questions, I would be grateful to have them pointed out to me.

To Do List.

1. Find my best short story, maybe 3k - 6k words (two Lit pages).
2. Check that, even if there's non-consensual activity, the protagonee (is that even a word?) gets pleasure and satisfaction in the end.
3. Put it into the submissions box, think of ten story tags and a catchy title.
4. Take a big breath, push those buttons until the site says, "Story submitted."
5. Drink coffee, do stuff, and wait for several days.
6. Scream when the story gets published.
7. Figure the fuck out of the scoring system (what on earth are 'sweeps'?) - I guess I'll find out.
8. Note to self: remember Nike.
9. 'Nother note to self: don't overthink this like I always do.
10. Bookmark this Author's Hangout place.

 

[regularguy13]

What have you got to loose?

I understand your nervousness. Any new activity will make a person nervous, and you're unsure of the response. You could be the only person in the world who find ^&*$# interesting or you could discover that you're not the only weirdo who is turned on by it.

Take the plunge and do what the rest of us do, use an untraceable made up name!

 

[WritingwhatIlike]

My own experience of this site: the main publishing side is so very separate from the forum side. You can ( and should) publish stories that you've written, and there may be comments about your efforts. Those comments will be different from what you will get from the story feedback section.

My advice is to publish a story or two, get some feedback from comments or from posting in the story feedback section to figure out how you're doing. You won't improve unless you get feedback, however much it hurts.

 

[AlinaX]

Mmm... Need to develop a plugin for this site where constructive feedback results in an automatic spanking.

"It hurts, Mistress!"

"It's supposed to. Now, what did I tell you about dialogue tags?"

 

[gunhilltrain]

I'm not sure what Lit's exact policy on Non-con is. I don't write them unless they are completely staged role plays.

Lit supposedly does not accept completely forced-sex stories. Sometimes that falls into a hard-to-define gray area. If you do write one like that, and Lit doesn't accept it (assuming you do submit it) don't argue with them; just place it on another site that will take it. (PM me if you wish.)

It's also hard to define HEA. To our grandparents, it truly meant a lifetime - although they weren't necessarily "happy." It's what society expected of them. Today, if a couple gets a few good years they're doing pretty well. People still get married, but marriage rates are dropping and divorce remains common.

 

[PoisonPen33]

The last story I published (Emerald Binds) was a NonCon/Reluctance story with a... someone called it a "Happy For Now" ending. It was my first NC/R story, so I understand where you're coming from.

Two suggestions if I may?

1 - Just write. I've written all my life but I've only been a "writer" in the past three years, and the more you write, the more you improve - not just in terms of narrative and grammar, but in defining your own "style" and how you craft a tale. Write, publish, look for comments and feedback. There are plenty of published and professional authors on this site who would be happy to share some wisdom and pointers with you.

2 - Look at some of the top stories on NC/R (and feel free to read my story, my list is in my sig) and see what strikes you or what turns you away. You might get inspired, you might find that spark, or just as important you might find out what you DON'T like. It helps focus the creative process and clean up jumbled thoughts.

 

[SimonDoom]

Lit supposedly does not accept completely forced-sex stories.

The stated rule is that the person subjected to nonconsensual sex must enjoy it. But there's no rule against forced sex. There are plenty of forced sex stories at Literotica. For that matter, there are plenty of stories where the woman does not enjoy it, at least at some portion of the encounter. For example, there are many "kidnapped and sold into sex slavery" type stories where the woman at first resists and does not enjoy it but at some point learns to enjoy it. Those stories seem to be OK here.

My sense is that there are many ways to navigate the non-con rule to get one's story accepted; you just have to be a little creative. The two most obvious are 1) make sure the victim enjoys it before the end of the encounter/story, and 2) make the non-con element somewhat ambiguous. I'm working on a non-con story -- a "woman forced into a harem" story -- and I'm going to use both these strategies to get it past the gate. First, there will be a question whether she gives "consent" by signing a document upon entering a country controlled by an absolute ruler. Second, although she will resist at first she will come to get some genuine erotic pleasure from the experience, although she will never completely submit.

Others have more experience than I do, but I think the essence of what Lit is trying to do is to ban stories where the reader derives erotic pleasure from a terrible experience that the character does not experience as erotic. Like real rape, or torture, or snuff. None of those will fly here. Not now, anyway. I can recall reading a story here a long time ago about a serial killer that was basically snuff. I think it's been removed.

 

[gunhilltrain]

The stated rule is that the person subjected to nonconsensual sex must enjoy it. But there's no rule against forced sex. There are plenty of forced sex stories at Literotica. For that matter, there are plenty of stories where the woman does not enjoy it, at least at some portion of the encounter. For example, there are many "kidnapped and sold into sex slavery" type stories where the woman at first resists and does not enjoy it but at some point learns to enjoy it. Those stories seem to be OK here.

My sense is that there are many ways to navigate the non-con rule to get one's story accepted; you just have to be a little creative. The two most obvious are 1) make sure the victim enjoys it before the end of the encounter/story, and 2) make the non-con element somewhat ambiguous. I'm working on a non-con story -- a "woman forced into a harem" story -- and I'm going to use both these strategies to get it past the gate. First, there will be a question whether she gives "consent" by signing a document upon entering a country controlled by an absolute ruler. Second, although she will resist at first she will come to get some genuine erotic pleasure from the experience, although she will never completely submit.

Others have more experience than I do, but I think the essence of what Lit is trying to do is to ban stories where the reader derives erotic pleasure from a terrible experience that the character does not experience as erotic. Like real rape, or torture, or snuff. None of those will fly here. Not now, anyway. I can recall reading a story here a long time ago about a serial killer that was basically snuff. I think it's been removed.

You're right, I should have made that clearer. I knew that, but I didn't express it properly.

Look, Lit does what it wants and I accept that. My guess is that in real life forced sex is rarely if ever enjoyed, even at the end. It's basically a - gimmick? - to get certain kinds of stories published. I have heard of a few exceptions. This is all just speculation; I can't back it up with any real-world documentation.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I see I've backed myself into a corner here. How do you define "forced sex?" There are a lot of activities online that are really rough, but they are staged and the participants seem to like it no matter how harsh it is. But what about people who are just doing it for money - it's hard to tell if somebody is being paid for a certain photo or video or if they are volunteers. Some of them may not like the activity (say BDSM or humiliation or whatever) but they like the money.

I don't know if this is any help for the OP. The best I can say is that Laurel will know it when she sees it.

 

[SimonDoom]

My guess is that in real life forced sex is rarely if ever enjoyed, even at the end. It's basically a - gimmick? - to get certain kinds of stories published. I have heard of a few exceptions. This is all just speculation; I can't back it up with any real-world documentation.

I'm no expert, but I think you're right.

Non-con/rape is probably the best example of an erotic story category where the fantasy has nothing to do with reality. There's plenty of data to support the idea that rape and related nonconsensual activity is a popular fantasy among people who in real life would never want to be raped. It's a very common and popular fantasy. These stories play to that fantasy. They have little or nothing to do with the real world.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I'm no expert, but I think you're right.

Non-con/rape is probably the best example of an erotic story category where the fantasy has nothing to do with reality. There's plenty of data to support the idea that rape and related nonconsensual activity is a popular fantasy among people who in real life would never want to be raped. It's a very common and popular fantasy. These stories play to that fantasy. They have little or nothing to do with the real world.

Yeah, I am working on a story with an unreliable narrator, where the guy in the story is basically making up a big chunk of it (some of it is non-consensual). However, he never admits that to the readers. So it's basically a fantasy (the narrator's) within another another fantasy (the story itself).

I'm considering a disclaimer saying that's it's impossible to know what he made up and what is true.

Most fiction presents itself "as if," as if this a true account of actual events. Having an unreliable narrator is tricky. Does the narrator or maybe the author admit it? Or is it implied because the tale is so improbable? Some people think American Psycho is mostly or entirely made up by Christian Bale. But I don't think he or author Ellis ever say that.