New York to scrap literacy test for teachers. Guess why.

[SyKoKo]

RACISM!

Cause COLOREDS cunt pass the tests like WHITES

So they will DUMMY COLOREDS to teach DUMMY COLOREDS

The TEACHING BIZ is a BIG SCAM

 

[SyKoKo]

 

[OldJourno]

I read the story this morning and it's worth a discussion on this board.
We won't be getting it here. You excel at killing your own threads.

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

It's bizarre that he posts all these threads but consistently never posts the link to the story that he rants about.

It's like calling 911 to report crimes and then hanging up before giving the location.

 

[Maidboy]

I wonder about his self-congratulatory "cool" emogees immediately following the OP.
Like he's jerking off into a fan.

 

[OldJourno]

Here's what I remember from the AP story:

New York is considering an end to tests on reading and writing ability for new teachers because a disproportionate number of minority test takers are flunking.
Pretty straightforward and disheartening, because a lot of white teachers-to-be were also flunking. Why are so many people of all races who want to be teachers so ill equipped to do the work?
I imagine someone with search skills at a higher level than mine can find the test and post it here.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Here's what I remember from the AP story:

New York is considering an end to tests on reading and writing ability for new teachers because a disproportionate number of minority test takers are flunking.
Pretty straightforward and disheartening, because a lot of white teachers-to-be were also flunking. Why are so many people of all races who want to be teachers so ill equipped to do the work?
I imagine someone with search skills at a higher level than mine can find the test and post it here.

Doubt it.

If the test could be found online more people would pass it.

 

[mark_j]

Doubt it.

If the test could be found online more people would pass it.

It's available from NY state for a nominal fee of $20 for the practice test.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

It's available from NY state for a nominal fee of $20 for the practice test.

A practice test isn't the real test. My apologies if the post I was replying to meant practice test.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Doubt it.

If the test could be found online more people would pass it.

You mean more people could cheat it.

LOL, why not just make the test "take home" and give them all the time they want?

At least NY is honest enough to know that's all bullshit and they just want the standards lowered without the dog an pony show.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

You mean more people could cheat it.

LOL, why not just make the test "take home" and give them all the time they want?

At least NY is honest enough to know that's all bullshit and they just want the standards lowered without the dog an pony show.

NY hasn't done anything yet, we'll see what they do Monday. I don't see this as standards being lowered, a person would still need to graduate college to become a teacher and pass other tests that show they are literate.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't see this as standards being lowered,

Of course not.

a person would still need to graduate college to become a teacher and pass other tests that show they are literate.

Those will be racist next year.

 

[Christobal]

I am always amused when teachers say that testing them doesn't reflect their true abilities. And then they give their kids test after test.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I am always amused when teachers say that testing them doesn't reflect their true abilities. And then they give their kids test after test.

Many of the tests given are directives from the board or state.

 

[Christobal]

Many of the tests given are directives from the board or state.

True but teachers give more tests all the time that have nothing to do with that.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

True but teachers give more tests all the time that have nothing to do with that.

What are you basing that on?

 

[Christobal]

What are you basing that on?

Having been to public school and college.

 

[Ishmael]

I am always amused when teachers say that testing them doesn't reflect their true abilities. And then they give their kids test after test.

Many of the tests given are directives from the board or state.

Well then, let's just do away with any sort of testing for anything. Awards for attendance will be the rule of the day. And to carry this insanity to it's logical conclusion no awards for attendance either, it discriminates against those who didn't attend regularly.

As a mater of fact why bother with the expense of schooling at all. When a child is born just slap a High School Diploma on their ass along with the birth certificate. Of course the local school district will have to charge some sort of fee, but what the hell?

Those with degrees in Education got into college with the lowest SAT scores of any of the 4 year degrees. And those that went on to get a Masters of higher did so with the lowest GRE scores. In other words you people have the very lowest denominator of the college educated class teaching your children. Public schools, K through 12, are little more than day care centers these days. The fact that the state of New York is even considering such a measure is an indication of how far things have fallen. It wasn't all that long ago that you couldn't teach in a New York high school unless you had a Masters in the subject you were teaching, not an education degree, a degree in the specific subject matter.

"But not my child's school" you say. "My child goes to the highest rated school in the county." Congratulations, but a school at the top of a pile of shit is still shit.

Schools are big business now and not unlike business, quantity and profit trump quality. You aren't getting what you're paying for and you haven't in quite sometime now. If you started treating the school system just as you would the purveyor of any other product things might change.

Ishmael

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Well then, let's just do away with any sort of testing for anything. Awards for attendance will be the rule of the day. And to carry this insanity to it's logical conclusion no awards for attendance either, it discriminates against those who didn't attend regularly.

As a mater of fact why bother with the expense of schooling at all. When a child is born just slap a High School Diploma on their ass along with the birth certificate. Of course the local school district will have to charge some sort of fee, but what the hell?

Those with degrees in Education got into college with the lowest SAT scores of any of the 4 year degrees. And those that went on to get a Masters of higher did so with the lowest GRE scores. In other words you people have the very lowest denominator of the college educated class teaching your children. Public schools, K through 12, are little more than day care centers these days. The fact that the state of New York is even considering such a measure is an indication of how far things have fallen. It wasn't all that long ago that you couldn't teach in a New York high school unless you had a Masters in the subject you were teaching, not an education degree, a degree in the specific subject matter.

"But not my child's school" you say. "My child goes to the highest rated school in the county." Congratulations, but a school at the top of a pile of shit is still shit.

Schools are big business now and not unlike business, quantity and profit trump quality. You aren't getting what you're paying for and you haven't in quite sometime now. If you started treating the school system just as you would the purveyor of any other product things might change.

Ishmael

Congratulations, that's some Conager level ascription.

I called you out on that SAT baloney years ago and when you had to produce a cite to back it up you quickly changed your tune. Looks like you're back to singing your old songs.

 

[Ishmael]

Congratulations, that's some Conager level ascription.

I called you out on that SAT baloney years ago and when you had to produce a cite to back it up you quickly changed your tune. Looks like you're back to singing your old songs.

I provided the links then. Nothing has changed. Fuck you.

Ishmael

 

[Christobal]

What are you basing that on?

I gave you the answer that I went to public school and college. What was your experience in school? Mandated goverment test or majority of the tests coming from teachers?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I provided the links then. Nothing has changed. Fuck you.

Ishmael

Exactly my point. Nothing has changed except you claiming the opposite of what those links showed.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I gave you the answer that I went to public school and college. What was your experience in school? Mandated goverment test or majority of the tests coming from teachers?

In college? Midterms and finals.

High school, it depended on the class. Some teachers gave no tests and some gave a few each semester.

 

[Christobal]

In college? Midterms and finals.

High school, it depended on the class. Some teachers gave no tests and some gave a few each semester.

Umm. Politely asking. Government tests or teacher tests as a majority?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Here's what I remember from the AP story:

New York is considering an end to tests on reading and writing ability for new teachers because a disproportionate number of minority test takers are flunking.
Pretty straightforward and disheartening, because a lot of white teachers-to-be were also flunking. Why are so many people of all races who want to be teachers so ill equipped to do the work?
I imagine someone with search skills at a higher level than mine can find the test and post it here.

Well, I suspect that they cannot pass a literacy test because literacy has been replaced by social justice training. For example, it is hard to convince someone skilled in the understanding of science, especially biology, that the mind and not DNA determines sex. It is hard to study Shakespeare, so his works are dismissed as the product of white culture and history and thus are irrelevant when it comes to knowledge. The study of History, especially American, is frowned upon because it is painful to so many because people who looked like them were oppressed by white people.

You are always going to get teachers who teach what they are taught and STEM studies are Trumped ( ) by the need to be aware of the needs, feelings and perceptions of their pupils.

I'm old enough to remember the JFK assassination and funeral and in High School, I became aware of this emerging phenomenon when Silent Spring replaced hard Science, The Days of Wine and Roses and Future Shock replaced the humanities, Shakespeare was replaced by Science Fiction and American History was replaced with the study of the Civil Rights movement.