New Poll Numbers!

[JackLuis]

There's a new Quinnipiac poll out this morning that shows Trump's approval numbers at a near record low 38 percent, and the horse race between 2020 Democratic candidates evening out. But the biggest take away here is that we can all point and laugh at New York Mayor Bill de Blasio! He has an astonishing minus-37 net approval number, making him even less popular than Trump. LOLOLOL

Good Feelings On Economy Don't Help Trump, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Biden Is Only Contender With Positive Score

Of course it's all Name Recognition in the standings now.

 

[Dumpington]

JackLuis writes: "There's a new Quinnipiac poll out this morning that shows Trump's approval numbers at a near record low 38 percent, and the horse race between 2020 Democratic candidates evening out."

Really? Only 38-percent? Trump also had a 38-percent approval rating back on election night 2016, Jack - which probably explains why Hillary defeated him.

A recent Gallup Poll reported that Trump's approval numbers are actually HIGHER than were Barack Obama's at this same point in the Obama presidency. But then, President Obama was re-elected in 2012 receiving an astounding 3,580,921 FEWER popular votes than he'd received four years earlier, in 2008!

SOURCE: http://www.uselectionatlas.org

Compare Obama's re-election with, say, George W. Bush - who received 11,577,160 MORE votes in 2004 than he'd got in 2000. Or Ronald Reagan, who received 10,552,242 MORE popular votes in 1984 than he'd received in 1980.

How is it even POSSIBLE that Obama received so many FEWER votes when he ran for re-election? WHERE did all of those Obama voters go?

 

[YDB95]

JackLuis writes: "There's a new Quinnipiac poll out this morning that shows Trump's approval numbers at a near record low 38 percent, and the horse race between 2020 Democratic candidates evening out."

Really? Only 38-percent? Trump also had a 38-percent approval rating back on election night 2016, Jack - which probably explains why Hillary defeated him.

She did defeat him.
If Trump - and you - are counting on once again squeaking through with a popular vote loss and a razor-thin win in exactly the right states, well, I wouldn't get too cocky about that. The Republicans are reportedly already throwing everything they have at MI, WI and PA, suggesting they're not at all confident history will repeat itself (it usually doesn't, after all.).

A recent Gallup Poll reported that Trump's approval numbers are actually HIGHER than were Barack Obama's at this same point in the Obama presidency. But then, President Obama was re-elected in 2012 receiving an astounding 3,580,921 FEWER popular votes than he'd received four years earlier, in 2008!

SOURCE: http://www.uselectionatlas.org

Compare Obama's re-election with, say, George W. Bush - who received 11,577,160 MORE votes in 2004 than he'd got in 2000. Or Ronald Reagan, who received 10,552,242 MORE popular votes in 1984 than he'd received in 1980.

How is it even POSSIBLE that Obama received so many FEWER votes when he ran for re-election? WHERE did all of those Obama voters go?

If your point is that Twitler could turn things around, you're right. Could, but will he? None of the other presidents you named were anywhere near as controversial as he is.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "She did defeat him."

But it's Donald Trump living in the White House today, isn't it?

Hillary Clinton's popular vote victory was no different than was Al Gore's popular vote win in 2000, or Samuel Tilden's win in 1876. HISTORICAL FACT: there was NEVER a President Gore or a President Tilden.

"The Republicans are reportedly already throwing everything they have at MI, WI and PA, suggesting they're not at all confident history will repeat itself "

Trump won EVERY state that John McCain and Mitt Romney won, but he ALSO won several states that McCain & Romney COULDN'T win, including Michigan, Wisconsin, & Pennsylvania! I believe there are some states that Mrs. Clinton won in 2016 that will go for Trump in 2020.

Back in 1980, Ronald Reagan won a 44-state landslide victory over President Jimmy Carter, and if you had asked liberals back then if Reagan could possibly do even better in '84, they'd have said NO WAY! Those six-states that voted for Carter would NEVER vote Republican - but they were WRONG! Reagan won FIVE of them in '84, with only Minnesota going to former Democrat Vice President Walter Mondale (who was FROM Minnesota!)

 

[YDB95]

Well, you've certainly got me there, Dump. A Republican won 35 years ago, ergo another one is sure to win next year. Can't possibly argue with that.

 

[phrodeau]

Well, you've certainly got me there, Dump. A Republican won 35 years ago, ergo another one is sure to win next year. Can't possibly argue with that.

He's certainly an improvement. Most of them can't spell the names properly.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Well, you've certainly got me there, Dump. A Republican won 35 years ago, ergo another one is sure to win next year. Can't possibly argue with that."

It's an historical fact. The LAST time the Democratic Party ran a FORMER U.S. Vice President as its presidential candidate was in 1984, and that former (NOT current) vice president was Walter Mondale. Mondale got CLOBBERED in the popular vote, 58.77 to 40.56%, he lost 49 of the fifty-states, and the electoral vote total went against him by a margin of 525 to 13 (the all-time most lopsided defeat ever!)

If the Democrats run former vice president Joe Biden in 2020, you can expect more of the same. Joe has NEVER been a successful presidential candidate, not even within his own party. But who else has that party got who can beat him? Bernie Sanders? (I don't think so!)

For the record, the last time the Republican Party ran a former (not current) vice president was way back in 1968, when former V.P. Richard Nixon faced the current Vice President, Hubert Humphrey. Nixon defeated Humphrey, 43.42 to 42.72% in the popular vote, and 301 to 191 in the electoral college (third-party candidate George Wallace won 13.53% of the popular vote, and 46 electoral votes - which was also the LAST time a third-party candidate won any electoral votes!)

phrodeau writes: "He's certainly an improvement. Most of them can't spell the names properly."

Yes, phrodeau - but that's only because proper spelling is important to me. Not everybody feels that way!

 

[YDB95]

First of all, I don't think Biden is going to be the nominee. He's got name recognition and residual good feeling from his association with Obama, but that's it.

But even if he does, the other elections you referred to were completely different situations with very different candidates, and they mean absolutely nothing vis a vis next year. Your suggesting another 1984 is in the works is pure wishful thinking.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "First of all, I don't think Biden is going to be the nominee. He's got name recognition and residual good feeling from his association with Obama, but that's it."

The latest polling shows Joe Biden leading the pack with 33% of Democrats backing his candidacy. The OTHER old white guy running for the nomination (Bernie Sanders) is in a distant second-place with 15%. After that, there's Kamala with 11%, Liz Warren with 10%, Buttigieg at 6%, Beto at 4%, Amy Klobuchar at 3%, and the rest of the pack at 1% or fewer (they'll all begin dropping like flies before New Year's Day)!

Biden is running against a VERY mediocre field of challengers. I can't see ANY of them toppling him. I ALSO don't see Bernie's people quietly going away if their guy loses once again to another mainstream Democrat who controls the levers of power (as did Hillary in '16!)

"Your suggesting another 1984 is in the works is pure wishful thinking."

Actually, YDB95, as far as the Democrats are concerned, I see that party's 2020 convention looking more like Chicago 1968 - when Eugene McCarthy's far-left supporters hit the streets to disrupt vice president Hubert Humphrey's nomination - HHH being the Joe Biden of his day.

 

[FAITHandFLESH]

Do you REALLY think Republicans listen to polls any longer...BAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[YDB95]

"Your suggesting another 1984 is in the works is pure wishful thinking."

Actually, YDB95, as far as the Democrats are concerned, I see that party's 2020 convention looking more like Chicago 1968 - when Eugene McCarthy's far-left supporters hit the streets to disrupt vice president Hubert Humphrey's nomination - HHH being the Joe Biden of his day.

Overlooking the fact that HHH still almost won, Dumpington, have you given any thought to the possibility that you're just seeing what you want to see here? I mean, I want to see Trump get crushed like Mondale, but you don't see me predicting it'll actually happen.

I do agree with you on one thing: lots of the lesser-known Democratic candidates will indeed drop like flies soon enough. But nine months out from the first voting, it's ridiculous to assume Biden's lead will hold. Most people aren't paying attention yet.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Overlooking the fact that HHH still almost won, Dumpington, have you given any thought to the possibility that you're just seeing what you want to see here? I mean, I want to see Trump get crushed like Mondale, but you don't see me predicting it'll actually happen."

Yes, I fully understand that you'd love seeing Trump destroyed in 2020, YDB95 - but I think we ALL know that that's not in the cards. For one thing, Trump's first-term has been FAR too successful, particularly regarding the economy! President Reagan added 10,552,242 votes to his 1980 total when he ran for re-election! President Bush-43 added 11,577,160 votes to his total from November of 2000 when he was re-elected four years later!

If President Trump copies Reagan & Bush-43, he'll receive something like 72-million popular votes in 2020, and will almost certainly win a few of the states that went for Hillary in 2016 (I'm thinking Colorado, Minnesota, Virginia, New Hampshire, etc.)

The ONLY American president to be re-elected winning FEWER popular votes this past half-century was Barack Obama (who won 3,580,921 fewer votes in 2012 than he'd won in 2008), and I certainly don't see that happening with President Trump, whose base is only getting larger & more enthusiastic! And the rabid election-night-2016 predictions/fears that a president Trump would persecute gays, minorities, & Muslims never materialized - modern liberals will have a hard time resurrecting that nonsense!

"I do agree with you on one thing: lots of the lesser-known Democratic candidates will indeed drop like flies soon enough. But nine months out from the first voting, it's ridiculous to assume Biden's lead will hold. Most people aren't paying attention yet."

You may be correct about that. Hillary Clinton was the odds-on favorite early in 2008, but her once-formidable lead quickly evaporated as Senator Obama's campaign picked-up speed, and black Democrats especially began to abandon Mrs. Clinton. I just DON'T see that happening with President Obama's former V.P. (who is holding all of the levers of power). Kamala & Cory Booker both lack Obama's charisma!

But the Chicago '68 parallels are there, if Bernie's supporters feel that they're once again being rail-roaded by the party machinery controlled by Gropin' Joe! Bernie's got the backing of the socialists in Antifa and other far-left radical organizations, who can & WILL hit the streets to violently make their displeasure known!

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "Overlooking the fact that HHH still almost won, Dumpington, have you given any thought to the possibility that you're just seeing what you want to see here? I mean, I want to see Trump get crushed like Mondale, but you don't see me predicting it'll actually happen."

Yes, I fully understand that you'd love seeing Trump destroyed in 2020, YDB95 - but I think we ALL know that that's not in the cards. For one thing, Trump's first-term has been FAR too successful, particularly regarding the economy! President Reagan added 10,552,242 votes to his 1980 total when he ran for re-election! President Bush-43 added 11,577,160 votes to his total from November of 2000 when he was re-elected four years later!

If President Trump copies Reagan & Bush-43, he'll receive something like 72-million popular votes in 2020, and will almost certainly win a few of the states that went for Hillary in 2016 (I'm thinking Colorado, Minnesota, Virginia, New Hampshire, etc.)

Almost certainly? Then I'm right - you're just predicting what you want to happen. Surprise surprise.

The ONLY American president to be re-elected winning FEWER popular votes this past half-century was Barack Obama (who won 3,580,921 fewer votes in 2012 than he'd won in 2008), and I certainly don't see that happening with President Trump, whose base is only getting larger & more enthusiastic! And the rabid election-night-2016 predictions/fears that a president Trump would persecute gays, minorities, & Muslims never materialized - modern liberals will have a hard time resurrecting that nonsense!

Larger and more enthusiastic? His approval rating has been underwater since about a month into his presidency, and it's barely over 40% at the moment. As for "rabid predictions", what do you call the putting children in cages, winking at police violence against blacks, actively encouraging the Islamophobia that was already too common, etc? Just because you approve of it doesn't mean it ain't persecution, Dump.

But the Chicago '68 parallels are there, if Bernie's supporters feel that they're once again being rail-roaded by the party machinery controlled by Gropin' Joe! Bernie's got the backing of the socialists in Antifa and other far-left radical organizations, who can & WILL hit the streets to violently make their displeasure known!

See what I said above about what you want to happen, vs. what really is likely to happen.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Almost certainly? Then I'm right - you're just predicting what you want to happen. Surprise surprise."

Nobody I know possesses the gift of prophecy, YDB95 - back in 2016 pretty much everybody was predicting that Donald Trump would lose, and pretty much everybody was wrong! The Democrats then mapped out a strategy of NON-STOP anxiety, frustration, & anger over the foreseeable future to defeat any chance Trump had of remaining in power, and thus far their strategy has failed miserably! Surpise, surprise...

"His approval rating has been underwater since about a month into his presidency, and it's barely over 40% at the moment."

Trump is doing even better than Barack Obama was doing at this point in President Obama's first term, and Obama had non-stop glowing media coverage (even after his party suffered the loss of 63-House & 6-Senate seats in 2010!)

"As for "rabid predictions", what do you call the putting children in cages, winking at police violence against blacks, actively encouraging the Islamophobia that was already too common, etc? Just because you approve of it doesn't mean it ain't persecution, Dump."

Everytime lawbreaking parents are sent to prison they are separated from their children, YDB95. We don't allow kids to serve time in penitentiaries with their moms & dads. And President Obama put kids in cages at the border (we have the photos to prove it!)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nu6RoiXqETo/hqdefault.jpg - (Just because the media didn't report it doesn't mean that it didn't happen!)

And WHAT exactly did the Obama administration ever do to end police violence against blacks? And like it or not, Islamic Sharia Law is NOT compatible with our U.S. Constitution, nor will it EVER be! Are you even remotely aware as to how gay people are treated in Islamic-ruled nations? Are you aware as to how WOMEN are treated? Did you know that drawing the prophet Muhammed can get you stoned-to-death in the Islamic world?

http://thefederalistpapers.org/wp-c...ad-Contest-Drawing-1-small-e1431007390513.jpg - ("You CAN'T draw me!" says the prophet Muhammed!)

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "Almost certainly? Then I'm right - you're just predicting what you want to happen. Surprise surprise."

Nobody I know possesses the gift of prophecy, YDB95 - back in 2016 pretty much everybody was predicting that Donald Trump would lose, and pretty much everybody was wrong! The Democrats then mapped out a strategy of NON-STOP anxiety, frustration, & anger over the foreseeable future to defeat any chance Trump had of remaining in power, and thus far their strategy has failed miserably! Surpise, surprise...

Except when the Dems picked up 40 house seats, some of them in blood-red states like Oklahoma and Utah.

"His approval rating has been underwater since about a month into his presidency, and it's barely over 40% at the moment."

Trump is doing even better than Barack Obama was doing at this point in President Obama's first term, and Obama had non-stop glowing media coverage (even after his party suffered the loss of 63-House & 6-Senate seats in 2010!)

Sounds like we were reading two different media back then!

And President Obama put kids in cages at the border (we have the photos to prove it!)

Nope: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/09/...ump-claim-obama-separated-families/index.html

And WHAT exactly did the Obama administration ever do to end police violence against blacks?

About all it could do with Congress held by the party that didn't give a shit.

And like it or not, Islamic Sharia Law is NOT compatible with our U.S. Constitution, nor will it EVER be!

No one ever said it was, Dump. That was a scare tactic dreamed up to terrify people like you - and it worked!

Are you even remotely aware as to how gay people are treated in Islamic-ruled nations? Are you aware as to how WOMEN are treated?

Yes, and I know which American political party it's far more similar to. (Hint: it's not the one you're about to scream about.)

 

[badbabysitter]

Are you even remotely aware as to how gay people are treated in Islamic-ruled nations?

Let me guess. they arent allowed to marry, business can refuse to serve them, and there is a deadly fear of them in the military?

Are you aware as to how WOMEN are treated?

Their reproductive rights are hobbled and they are actively discouraged from entering male dominated careers?

If you really care so much, stop voting for the party that supports Sharia law.. big hint, they arent the Dems

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Except when the Dems picked up 40 house seats, some of them in blood-red states like Oklahoma and Utah."

Yes, two-years into the Trump presidency the Democratic Party picked-up FORTY House seats, while the REPUBLICANS picked-up TWO-seats in the all-important U.S. Senate (that legislative body which confirms the president's appointments to the U.S. Supreme Court!)

Furthermore, anti-Trump senators McCain, Corker, & Flake all LEFT, only to be replaced by G.O.P. senators who SUPPORT this president (with the sole exception of RINO Mitt Romney, elected in Utah!) So when Ruth Bader-Ginsberg is replaced/retires shortly, Trump will have a much easier time getting the necessary votes to confirm her replacement onto our nation's highest court, and the U.S. House of Representatives will be powerless to stop it!

But your point was trying to show that Trump was somehow humiliated in 2018, correct? After all, forty-seats is a LOT! Back in 2010, President Obama's party lost 63-House & 6-Senate seats, while in 1994 President Clinton's Democrats lost 54-House & 8-Senate seats! And weren't those two both re-elected two-years later? You know, I believe that they were! So 2018 probably won't mean all that much in relation to 2020.

"No one ever said it was, Dump. That was a scare tactic dreamed up to terrify people like you - and it worked!"

Yes or no, YDB95: is Islamic Sharia Law compatible with our U.S. Constitution in your opinion?

"Yes, and I know which American political party it's far more similar to."

I suppose if you want to go all the way back to the Salem Witch Trials in the late 1600's (when America was still being ruled by Great Britain) you can discover evidence of Christian churches behaving like Muslims. That, of course, was a hundred years BEFORE our U.S. Constitution came into being.

badbabysitter writes: "Let me guess. they arent allowed to marry, business can refuse to serve them, and there is a deadly fear of them in the military?"

So let me get this straight... you WANT gays to be treated with respect here in the U.S. - but you ALSO want Islamic values & beliefs to be treated with greater respect? When was the last time an American judge ordered a gay man stoned to death or thrown off of the roof of a five-story building? Has anybody ever asked Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) or any of those other Muslims the Democratic Party is trying to send to Washington what they think of Islamic Sharia Law vs. our U.S. Constitution?

 

[Dumpington]

Democrats & liberal Trump-haters LONG enjoyed pointing to polls showing just how unpopular Donald Trump is, but then he goes and wins the election anyway. And the Dems immediately go back to talking about his low poll-numbers as if elections don't matter.

One reason why Trump wins is his choice of opponents. The Democratic Party certainly obliged him in 2016 by nominating Hillary Clinton. And now, it's happening again over the issue of ABORTION, which is biting the Dems in the ass! This year, in particular, they picked the wrong electoral cycle to jump onto the pro-abortion-cheering, fetus-destroying bandwagon! For those Republican voters who still dislike Donald Trump, the left's virulent pro-abortion agenda has just made it a whole lot easier for the "never-Trumpers" in the G.O.P. to support his re-election.

Polling in the U.S. has long indicated that 60% or so of respondents support allowing abortion in the first trimester, 30% or so in the second, and down to the low teens in the third. For years, presidential candidates on both sides have threaded this needle, appeasing the base while giving those who dissent leeway enough to vote for them anyhow. But all that changed in the winter of 2018, when the word went forth to any Democrat dreaming of running for office that the new rules demanded unquestioning support for any-&-all abortions anywhere and under any conditions, right up to the moment of birth (and beyond!)

That the Trump Supreme Court might overturn Roe vs. Wade has changed everything! The new Democratic Party aim, says George Will, is: “to normalize extreme abortion practices expressive of the belief that never does fetal life have more moral significance than a tumor in a mother’s stomach.”

Hillary Clinton got the ball rolling in 2016, as our first-ever female major party nominee, running for president with a more aggressive and rigorous abortion rights platform than had EVER been seen before. Gone was her husband’s abortion rights platform of “safe, legal, and rare." Gone were the moral concerns voiced by Obama. In their place was was her dictum that pro-life sentiments should never be voiced in her party at all.

Hillary was the first presidential candidate openly endorsed by Planned Parenthood. In November of '16, she lost the overall Catholic vote by seven points — after President Obama had won it in the previous two elections. In heavily Catholic states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan, she got swept by Trump!

2016 proved that people will vote for someone they don’t like if the opponent is even worse. Voters have already proved that they will vote for Trump. He was elected by people who didn't much like him all that much. Will this be the result in the 2020 election? We’ll see.

 

[dan_c00000]

The LAST time the Democratic Party ran a FORMER U.S. Vice President as its presidential candidate was in 1984

Actually, it was Al Gore in 2000. And Gore won the popular vote by 500,000 votes.

Nice history lesson there, dump.

 

[Dumpington]

dan_c00000 writes: "Actually, it was Al Gore in 2000. And Gore won the popular vote by 500,000 votes."

You didn't read what I wrote, Dan. Here it is again: "The LAST time the Democratic Party ran a FORMER U.S. Vice President as its presidential candidate was in 1984"

Notice the emphasis I put on the word "FORMER?"

Al Gore was the CURRENT U.S. Vice President in 2000, while Walter Mondale was a FORMER vice president in 1984 - both of them LOST!

The last time a FORMER Republican vice president ran for the presidency was Richard Nixon in 1968, while the last time the G.O.P. ran a CURRENT vice president was George H.W. Bush in 1988 - both of them WON!

"Nice history lesson there, dump."

Thanks, Dan. I like to think of myself as part-educator, part-author, and all-around great guy who makes this forum a better place!

 

[dan_c00000]

dan_c00000 writes: "Actually, it was Al Gore in 2000. And Gore won the popular vote by 500,000 votes."

You didn't read what I wrote, Dan.

Sure I did. Gore, as of 2000, was the former vice president. Clinton's two terms were up. It's not my fault you just owned yourself.

Based on your horrible grasp of history I hope no one listens to you.

 

[Dumpington]

dan_c00000 writes: "Sure I did. Gore, as of 2000, was the former vice president. Clinton's two terms were up. It's not my fault you just owned yourself."

You're WRONG. Dan!

On election night, November of 2000 - the vice president of the United States was AL GORE - he was the CURRENT V.P. of our country, and if Bill Clinton had died unexpectedly in December of 2000, AL GORE would have been sworn-in to finish his second term (ending on January 20, 2001!)

"Based on your horrible grasp of history I hope no one listens to you."

It's okay, Dan - not everybody understands how our U.S. Constitution works, which is why I'm here to help. During the year 2000, the vice president of the United States from January 1st all the way to December 31st was AL GORE! And in the year 2001, from New Year's Day until January 19th, the vice president of the U.S. was STILL Al Gore! Are you grasping this at long last?

Dick Cheney's title from election-day 2000 to inauguartion day 2001 was VICE-PRESIDENT-ELECT! Any other questions?

 

[phrodeau]

If you really want to be pedantic, Gore was the former VP of the ‘93-‘97 term, and the current VP of the ‘97-‘01 term.

 

[thighlicker85]

Good Feelings On Economy Don't Help Trump, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Biden Is Only Contender With Positive Score

Of course it's all Name Recognition in the standings now.

any one who likes the ole GOAST BIDEN ready to die IS DUMBER THAN A BOX OF ROCKS.

 

[thighlicker85]

If you really want to be pedantic, Gore was the former VP of the ‘93-‘97 term, and the current VP of the ‘97-‘01 term.

BUT HE WAS A GIANT LIARE