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[Victoria_2001_02769]

Re: Tuesday Reviews 7/27 - part 1

NEW POEMS

Good morning, boys and girls, and other genders. I count 40 new pieces of verse for Tuesday.
. . .

Three poems I should mention simply because the poets put in serious and time-consuming efforts, and seem determined to write serious verse are
Loving Lust by Serantha and Finding Home and How much by Victoria_2001_02769. .
All 3 poems are too replete with worn-out phrases to recommend, but I do think these two poets' genuine efforts indicate their desire to improve and I suggest to them that they could benefit greatly by reading the poems of the more established poets here to get a feel for image and phrasing.

It's break time for me.....be back with Part 2.

Why don't you take a permanent break? How dare you be so critical! Did someone die and make you the new god of review or something?

"Too full of worn-out phrases"? You're too full of yourself my dear... why don't you take off that tight man's hat and take yourself down about five pegs or a hell of a lot less seriously?

Too many authors... do NOT take the time to proof-read their submissions... nor do they seek a dictionary's assistance... when it would be advisable.

I don't need, or want, a bitch like you thinking she can critique my work, and telling others you wouldn't recommend it... oh please! You have managed to sound like some liberal stuffed shirt... who has her knickers too bloody tight.

 

[Tathagata]

Re: Re: Tuesday Reviews 7/27 - part 1

Why don't you take a permanent break? How dare you be so critical! Did someone die and make you the new god of review or something?

"Too full of worn-out phrases"? You're too full of yourself my dear... why don't you take off that tight man's hat and take yourself down about five pegs or a hell of a lot less seriously?

Too many authors... do NOT take the time to proof-read their submissions... nor do they seek a dictionary's assistance... when it would be advisable.

I don't need, or want, a bitch like you thinking she can critique my work, and telling others you wouldn't recommend it... oh please! You have managed to sound like some liberal stuffed shirt... who has her knickers too bloody tight.

You may wanna change the " feedback and/ comments " welcome portion of your sig line then.

 

[Victoria_2001_02769]

Re: Re: Re: Tuesday Reviews 7/27 - part 1

You may wanna change the " feedback and/ comments " welcome portion of your sig line then.

No, thank you... she can just quit thinking she's some re-born, re-constituted Queen of Critique. Telling others she wouldn't even recommend... who died and made her god, eh?

 

[tarablackwood22]

Re: Re: Tuesday Reviews 7/27 - part 1

Why don't you take a permanent break? How dare you be so critical! Did someone die and make you the new god of review or something?

"Too full of worn-out phrases"? You're too full of yourself my dear... why don't you take off that tight man's hat and take yourself down about five pegs or a hell of a lot less seriously?

Too many authors... do NOT take the time to proof-read their submissions... nor do they seek a dictionary's assistance... when it would be advisable.

I don't need, or want, a bitch like you thinking she can critique my work, and telling others you wouldn't recommend it... oh please! You have managed to sound like some liberal stuffed shirt... who has her knickers too bloody tight.

If you'd like to rephrase this into something civil, I'd be glad to respond.

 

[BlueskyBeauty]

Re: Re: Tuesday Reviews 7/27 - part 1

Why don't you take a permanent break? How dare you be so critical! Did someone die and make you the new god of review or something?

"Too full of worn-out phrases"? You're too full of yourself my dear... why don't you take off that tight man's hat and take yourself down about five pegs or a hell of a lot less seriously?

Too many authors... do NOT take the time to proof-read their submissions... nor do they seek a dictionary's assistance... when it would be advisable.

I don't need, or want, a bitch like you thinking she can critique my work, and telling others you wouldn't recommend it... oh please! You have managed to sound like some liberal stuffed shirt... who has her knickers too bloody tight.

you might want to deal with you anger issue too!

your essence shines like a cloudy midnight with no moon!
(hardly a worn-out phrase)

 

[DeepAsleep]

.......
.............


I can pee further than all of you.

~D.A.
Let it go.

 

[BlueskyBeauty]

Re: Re: Re: Tuesday Reviews 7/27 - part 1

you might want to deal with you anger issue too!

your essence shines like a cloudy midnight with no moon!
(hardly a worn-out phrase)

~trying to improve on my poetic pen~
~~~~~~
your essence shines
like a cloudy midnight
where the only moon
is the drop of my...

knickers.
~~~~~~
don't flog me mistress tight ass..i promise i'll be good!!!

 

[champagne1982]

Tuesday July 27th

Hello all.

It's good to see that drama and passion are still vibrantly alive in the poetry feedback forum. First, thank you to all of you who take your time to read and "review" the day's new poetry.

In all fairness, today's review contained some backhanded commentary. Perhaps, tarablackwood22 could have softened her statements through the usual disclaimer that this is only one poet's opinion and that everyone is welcome to post their own.

There should be no surprise that strong reactions would follow on the heels of today's review. I didn't see a lot of neutrality or positive statements in it. I don't know why Tara chose to single out poetry to NOT recommend, that does seem a strong public statement.

Stick to the positives of mentioning poems worth reading, please, reviewers, don't tell people what not to read. This only starts negative discussion and feedback. A very destructive path to follow.

P.S. to the moderators. Please leave this discussion on this thread. I'm sure some will feel it is censorship to move their replies, although, personally, I don't mind if you move mine.

 

[tarablackwood22]

Re: Tuesday July 27th

Hello all.

It's good to see that drama and passion are still vibrantly alive in the poetry feedback forum. First, thank you to all of you who take your time to read and "review" the day's new poetry.

In all fairness, today's review contained some backhanded commentary. Perhaps, tarablackwood22 could have softened her statements through the usual disclaimer that this is only one poet's opinion and that everyone is welcome to post their own.

There should be no surprise that strong reactions would follow on the heels of today's review. I didn't see a lot of neutrality or positive statements in it. I don't know why Tara chose to single out poetry to NOT recommend, that does seem a strong public statement.

Stick to the positives of mentioning poems worth reading, please, reviewers, don't tell people what not to read. This only starts negative discussion and feedback. A very destructive path to follow.

P.S. to the moderators. Please leave this discussion on this thread. I'm sure some will feel it is censorship to move their replies, although, personally, I don't mind if you move mine.

Champagne -- If you look closely, I explain why I mentioned those poems, even though I could not recommend them because in my opinion they were not of high quality. I cut and paste my exact words below:

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Three poems I should mention simply because the poets put in serious and time-consuming efforts, and seem determined to write serious verse are
Loving Lust by Serantha and Finding Home and How much by Victoria_2001_02769.
All 3 poems are too replete with worn-out phrases to recommend, but I do think these two poets' genuine efforts indicate their desire to improve and I suggest to them that they could benefit greatly by reading the poems of the more established poets here to get a feel for image and phrasing.

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Those poems seemed to be genuine efforts to me, and I was suggesting ways a poet who was dedicated to improving their verse might proceed in that endeavor.

There has been much discussion on other threads about this topic, and the idea of "pat on the back" feedback that does no one any good, as well as on public comment in general. Below I cut and paste just one post of many by a very experienced poet here:

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Poetry is not just a journal of our thoughts and feelings and observations, and poetry can suck even if it is sincere and filled with emotion.

Okay I am going to do it, write something that is not a poem, and if it is, it sucks.

I love you as wide as the ocean is deep
inside my heart I will always keep
your eyes of blue
I love them too
everything I see
reminds me of you
get me a tissue
if you ever leave
I will be blue
to you so true
boo hoo boo hoo

If I were to write this in my diary and someone found it, then shame on them for teasing my lack of skill! I am writing for myself, keep your nose out of my heart!

But if I were post this, out in the open on a public site that starts with the three letters "lit" I don't care if it is my heart or if it is my art, if I call it poetry, well then damn, it should be!

This here sucks, it is cliche, horrible rhyme and no intelligent thought, metaphor or any other literary device to be found.

It I had voting on, give it a 1! Why be afraid to hurt my feelings? I put it out there on a site with voting! I did not show my mother or my sister or my lover, I put it on a site for people to read!

If I have comments on, tell me it sucks! Tell me to take these feelings I have and to use them to write a real poem.

Tell me to tell you something new and to lose the rhyme. Tell me if I want to be a poet to start writing poetry, tell me if I whine about these comments to dry it up and focus on gettinng better or to stop posting for public display.

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In my opinion, a critic should strive toward truth, as they see it.

That is a reviewer's job -- and it is obvious that what one reviewer says is the opinion of that reviewer only.

There were plenty of positive statements in my reviews, if you will look them over again.

And neutrality does not seem to me a part of a reviewer's job or purpose.

I reread my reviews just now, every word, and I do not see anything that I consider "backhanded."

Tara

 

[DeepAsleep]

Girls, girls.
You're both pretty.

~~~

This is just about the most ridiculous thing I've witnessed in months, as far as message boards go.

Tara - I respect your comments, your opinions, and all the feedback I've ever gotten from you, but take a moment and consider.

"All 3 poems are too replete with worn-out phrases to recommend, but I do think these two poets' genuine efforts indicate their desire to improve and I suggest to them that they could benefit greatly by reading the poems of the more established poets here to get a feel for image and phrasing."

The very fact that they put that much effort into it would say to me, were I in your shoes, that perhaps treading lightly around something they care very much about could be a good idea. The entire paragraph, delivered as things are, on the internet, without inflection, tone, or anything to warm it other than any given person's defensive passions - well. It reeks of condescension. That may not have been your intent, but someone who doesn't know you (not that I do, 'm just sayin'. Sure you didn't mean it like that, etc. blah-blah) would not be able to tell.

And being the talented poet you are, it's hard for me to believe that you couldn't find a warmer, kinder way to word what you had to say.

That said...

Victoria, as a sensitive, world-weary poet, one must learn to cultivate a thick skin. Not everyone's gonna like every poem you post and people who consider themselves skilled poets (not always without reason) are going to have their opinions. When you put something close to your heart in the public view, it will inevitably get kicked in the balls. (Or ovaries, pick your term) Especially when you offer it up for critique, KNOWING. FULL. WELL. That SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE, might not like it. This is a consequence accepted in advance, knowingly or not. Grow up and take responsibility.

You can please all of the people some of the time...

~~

Anyone else (And I don't really know why I felt the need to get involved, except that MAYBE it's because I'm 22 and you're all supposed to be older and wiser).. You're only fanning the flames of something that doesn't require your input (Me, too, but I'm doing my best to piss on said flames.)

If I've seemed a bit sarcastic, it's because I'm irritated that this happened at all. Not my right, but right and emotion don't go hand in hand, I s'pose.

~D.A.
"..Arguing on the internet is like winning a gold medal in the Special Olympics... Even if you win..."

 

[Maria2394]

no WAY are you only 22!! youre too dang smart to be 22, too good a writer to just be 22...( kicking myself, for wasting my life... and are you a sagittarius too, mr peacemaker??

 

[The Mutt]

"If everybody likes it, it isn't art. It's potato chips."
-John Huston

 

[DeepAsleep]

no WAY are you only 22!! youre too dang smart to be 22, too good a writer to just be 22...( kicking myself, for wasting my life... and are you a sagittarius too, mr peacemaker??

If you keep that up, my head'll be too big to be twenty-two.

And yeah. I am 22.

And I'm a libra, which means I rule your booty.

 

[tungtied2u]

Hate to be a party pooper, but could this discussion be moved to the To Keep the review thread Clean" thread.

Ta.

 

[Maria2394]

yep. suire its moved I was only trying to soften everyone up, thats all too much bad stuff being said and done, hunny bun

 

[perks]

Saturday reviews are up for grabs, starting with this weekend.

 

[Angeline]

Re: about the new poems for 7-29

I have been away from my computer since 5:30 this morning. I just got home, so I will read all the lovely poems later and comment. If anyone wants to mention a poem, please do. In the meantime, check out Lauren's first E poem!
I can love you...

Well I can and do love Lauren, and I'm so happy to see this poem got a well-deserved E. Lauren usually writes such intricate, detailed poetry, so this is a turnaround for her. It's deceptively simple though, says so much in its few words. It's a testament to both her talent and her versatility.

And I know just who it's for...and I love her, too.

es sweet Lauren and what's her face.

 

[annaswirls]

Saturday reviews are up for grabs, starting with this weekend.

oh now this sucks! I love your reveiws!

um and it really is not fair to use the words "up for grabs" in the presence of that AV.

 

[JCSTREET]

my tongue is perking

Saturday reviews are up for grabs, starting with this weekend.

perks

 

[WickedEve]

Sorry I was unable to continue with Thursday's review. Some other urgent matters derailed me from reading and commenting. And now I see that Saturday is open. Has anyone stepped forward to claim Saturday?

 

[The Poets]

I usually clean out the New Poems Review Thread once a week or so, and then I move the non review posts to the "to keep the review thread clean" thread. But now I'm thinking that some posters may have no idea where their posts wandered off to, so you'll now find moved posts in this thread.
And now it's cleaning time...

 

[The Poets]

Okay, comments moved. Champ, the posts are simply moved to a new location and not censored.

The discussion is fine but it shouldn't be in the middle of the review thread. There are some who come here to check out the reviews and don't want to wade through certain discussions.


eve

 

[Angeline]

Re: Re: Tuesday Reviews 7/27 - part 1

Why don't you take a permanent break? How dare you be so critical! Did someone die and make you the new god of review or something?

"Too full of worn-out phrases"? You're too full of yourself my dear... why don't you take off that tight man's hat and take yourself down about five pegs or a hell of a lot less seriously?

Too many authors... do NOT take the time to proof-read their submissions... nor do they seek a dictionary's assistance... when it would be advisable.

I don't need, or want, a bitch like you thinking she can critique my work, and telling others you wouldn't recommend it... oh please! You have managed to sound like some liberal stuffed shirt... who has her knickers too bloody tight.

If you make your art public, you have to live with peoples' opinions. Some will like your poems, others won't. As others here have said, if you don't want to hear what people think, don't check the option for public comments, don't allow feedback, and make it clear you don't want your poems reviewed. That will be respected. What is gained by lashing out at someone that bears you no ill will? And what's wrong with being told to use a dictionary? When I make typos (because I don't always catch all my errors and I'm a lousy typist), I appreciate that somebody took the time to read carefully and try to help me.

You need to lighten up or do what I suggested. And feel free to rail at me here or give my poems ones or whatever if you don't like my opinion. I've been an editor for years and heard it all before--it won't affect me one way or the other.

 

[WickedEve]

Sorry, but once it's made public...

This is swiped from the "Poem of the Moment" thread by Killer Muffin:

"I firmly believe that once you put a piece of work out for public consumption, you no longer have any say whatsoever in who reads it and what they do with the opinions they form on reading it. Hence, I can critique you however I want whether you like it or not." - Killer Muffin

 

[thenry]

Victoria, I do not see why you defend so on a poem you admit took 15 minutes.

And seriously, the International Society of Poets, aka Poetry.com, is nothing to brag about. Please read this. It does not count as a writer's credit and I hope you have not spent any money on their scams.