New Democrats Need Apply

[JackLuis]

The Princess Hillary Neo-Libs were soundly defeated, again, and proved in November that they couldn't beat DJT head to head.

It is clear that the DNC needs new leadership and the party needs to develop new younger candidates. One of the rising stars of the Democrats is Representative Tulsi Gabbard (D Hawaii). A veteran and former Army Major just reelected to the house.
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Here is what she has in mind for equal application of the law.

"The Stop Arming Terrorists Act" [/URL]

“Under U.S. law it is illegal for any American to provide money or assistance to al-Qaeda, ISIS or other terrorist groups. If you or I gave money, weapons or support to al-Qaeda or ISIS, we would be thrown in jail. Yet the U.S. government has been violating this law for years, quietly supporting allies and partners of al-Qaeda, ISIL, Jabhat Fateh al Sham and other terrorist groups with money, weapons, and intelligence support, in their fight to overthrow the Syrian government.

“The CIA has also been funneling weapons and money through Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar and others who provide direct and indirect support to groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda. This support has allowed al-Qaeda and their fellow terrorist organizations to establish strongholds throughout Syria, including in Aleppo.

“A recent New York Times article confirmed that ‘rebel groups’ supported by the U.S. ‘have entered into battlefield alliances with the affiliate of al-Qaeda in Syria, formerly known as al Nusra.’ This alliance has rendered the phrase ‘moderate rebels’ meaningless. Reports confirm that ‘every armed anti-Assad organization unit in those provinces [of Idlib and Aleppo] is engaged in a military structure controlled by [al-Qaeda’s] Nusra militants.’

Stephen Kinzer, a senior fellow at the Watson Institute for International Studies at Brown University, and award-winning author and journalist said, “The proposal to stop sending weapons to insurgents in Syria is based on the principle that pouring arms into a war zone only intensifies suffering and makes peace more difficult to achieve. Congress made a decision like this about the Nicaraguan contras during the 1980s. Aid to the contras was cut off by the Boland Amendment. The result was a peace process that finally brought an end to wars not only in Nicaragua, but also in El Salvador and Guatemala. This is the example we should be following. Cutting off arms shipments forces belligerents to negotiate. That is what we achieved in Nicaragua. It should be our goal in Syria as well.”

There is a woman who understands that pouring more arms into a fight is ultimately destructive. While HRC wanted to ramp up the Syrian subversion she and Obama perpetrated, Rep. Gabbard rejects their arming of our enemies just because they are now fighting our other enemy.

 

[JackLuis]

In October, Tulsi signed on as co-sponsor of House Joint Resolution 48, proposing an amendment to the U.S. Constitution providing that the rights extended by the document are the rights of natural persons only. This would effectively strike down Citizens United and other Supreme Court rulings that have usurped our rights as citizens, and given those rights to corporate inventions, thereby undermining our elections. It also places restrictions on election spending. It is a revolutionary measure and just the sort of fix we need to help clean up our election process.

I intend to write my Representative and Senator, and urge them to support and advance HJR 48.

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JOINT RESOLUTION

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States providing that the rights extended by the Constitution are the rights of natural persons only.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States:
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“ section 1. The rights protected by the Constitution of the United States are the rights of natural persons only. Artificial entities, such as corporations, limited liability companies, and other entities, established by the laws of any State, the United States, or any foreign state shall have no rights under this Constitution and are subject to regulation by the People, through Federal, State, or local law. The privileges of artificial entities shall be determined by the People, through Federal, State, or local law, and shall not be construed to be inherent or inalienable.

“ section 2. Federal, State and local government shall regulate, limit, or prohibit contributions and expenditures, including a candidate’s own contributions and expenditures, to ensure that all citizens, regardless of their economic status, have access to the political process, and that no person gains, as a result of that person’s money, substantially more access or ability to influence in any way the election of any candidate for public office or any ballot measure. Federal, State, and local governments shall require that any permissible contributions and expenditures be publicly disclosed. The judiciary shall not construe the spending of money to influence elections to be speech under the First Amendment.”

Hell yes, kick the Rethugs right in the knackers!

 

[BotanyBoy]

If the (D)'s would shit can the cold war relics along with the social justice twats and replaced them with a bunch of Gabbards they would be a lot better off.

I think they are going to double down on the social justice bit again though.

 

[JackLuis]

If the (D)'s would shit can the cold war relics along with the social justice twats and replaced them with a bunch of Gabbards they would be a lot better off.

I think they are going to double down on the social justice bit again though.

It seems the Neo-Lib wing will cling to their failed policies no matter what, because Wall Street is afraid of Progressives who want to increase taxes on the unproductive double shufflers.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It seems the Neo-Lib wing will cling to their failed policies no matter what, because Wall Street is afraid of Progressives who want to increase taxes on the unproductive double shufflers.

They will eventually figure it out.

It's true, Wall st. is, problem is so is everyone else.

Progressives won't stop with unproductive double shufflers.

They want to fuck the productive up the ass just as hard if not harder and it's all justified in the name of 'the greater good' just like it always is. And that scares the fucking shit out of a LOT of people.

I hope R and D keep fucking the pooch until 3rd parties become serious contenders.

 

[JackLuis]

The Repub's need some new blood too. The cast they put up in 2016 were pretty pitiful. What 16 candidates and none of them could beat a (list of despicable traits) like Trump. However I'll bet they end up running Pence in 2020.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Well, aside from the fact that we watched you slobber over a racist misogynistic xenophobe at "rallies" chanting "Lock Her Up" for a year and a half, there's also the niggling little fact that you're all willfully blind to all his Cabinet picks and hypocrisy and lies and bullshit and incompetence. And treason, let's now add. You call yourselves patriots and cheer on a treasonous Russian puppet. You cheer on a hypocritical, proven liar who stocks his cabinet with "Goldman Sachs" and Wall Street "elites" and Labor Secretaries who are completely anti-Labor. You turn a blind eye when he lies about the "jobs" he's saved and then attacks a Union leader for calling him out. You turn a blind eye when he Tweet attacks a private citizen, a young woman. You ignore the letters from American security and defense experts screaming that he's not prepared and does not have the temperament to lead this county. You cheer on an adult person about to lead this nation who cottons up to Alex Jones and was a birther and mocks disabled people and grabs pussies and who raped his wife. The list goes on and on and on.

Blaming Hillary and liberals for all this cannot explain it all. You like this guy. We can only assume, you overlook all the blatant evidence of who he actually is, because you like the racism, sexism, and xenophobia. You didn't elect him despite it, you elected him because of it. You. Like. Him.

Then of course, there's the rise in hate crimes and the gushing love of the Neo Nazi's that neither Dumbass or his supporters are bothered by. Doesn't bother you because you. like. it.

Other than that, let's discuss Wilbur Ross, Mr. Made Billions from the Bankruptcy of the Coal Industry, and how he's going to save the coal industry.

Let's discuss how his head of the EPA is going to "protect" the environment.

Let's discuss how his Attorney General is going to "protect civil rights." Oh, he's a known racist? We don't care. We. Like. It.

The Democrats definitely need new talent. Most of their leadership is in their 60's and 70's. The challenge is where to find new talent. Democrats ceded the state legislatures to Republicans. They've lost congress and most of the governorship's. If Republicans win won more state legislature, they could amend the Constitution.

I don't know where Dems go from here, but Republicans were in a similar situation after Bush, so it's not all doom and gloom. It seems however, that they'll need a new strategy that goes beyond calling people who disagree names, and assuming some sort of 'ist', 'ism', or 'phobe' is the problem. Good Riddance.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

That's not true; we can argue until eternity.

They voted for him because of a combination of a.) brainwashing from the right wing media (30 years of Hillary Hate and Conspiracy Theories from Fox News) and b.) unwilling to accept a female Pres right after a black Pres. Lock Her Up expresses it all, with some good racism tossed in.

That's the way I would sum it up.

As to us "calling them names." An interesting spin.

Makes me think of that doctor in Colorado who was fired for saying Michelle Obama looked like a monkey and spoke in ebonics, and right afterwards said, "There, I said it. It feels great, and I'm still not a racist."

Trump won the election because voters...voted for him. No surprise, they were sick of being called all the names you listed in your comments. Those names flow for liberal lips like a nasty case of halitosis, and it cost the left the election.
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[Carnal_Flower]

It's no use pointing this out if you don't get it by now.

Repeat after me: Dumbass is supported by the KKK. Dumbass has White Suprematicists in the White House. We're calling him these names because that's what he is. We did not call Romney, McCain, even Dubya, all these things, even though we hated them as much, because (mostly, and aside from Sarah Palin) they did not run overt sexist, racist, and xenophobic campaigns, duh

Build a Wall! Lock Her Up!

Yes, I would say, the ones who are racist now were then, but they didn't have someone SAYING it for them, ALLOWING and ENCOURAGING it. They liked Trump because he, "Says what I'm thinking."

The brainwashing is not about racism; the brainwashing specifically is about Hillary Clinton, or have you never listened to Hannity? Try David Brock.

Were they racists, sexist, and xenophobic in 2008 and again in 2012? But suddenly brainwashed this time?

This is the brainwashing.

They've been ranting this b.s. since Bill Clinton was in office, 24/7. That has been the entire focus of right wing media for decades. Destroy Hillary. Doubt Hillary. Corrupt Hillary. Fear Hillary. Lock the Bitch Up. Hillary is the Anti-Christ. It's ranting nonsense. It's FAKE NEWS.

She was a great candidate; she ran a bad campaign. Big difference.

If a "promiscuous relationship with the truth" was the dealbreaker for the dumb fucks who voted for Trump, then why didn't his outright lies bother them? Why don't they bother them now? WHy do they let all his business conflicts pass? Why give a pass to all his shady comments and behavior? Why are they not screaming over his Goldman Sachs appointments? Because that was never what it was about. It was about irrational brainwashing mixed with a deep well of misogyny, nothing more.

Take Hillary out of it, and they have shown they have ZERO interest in ethics and truth.

Or is it more likely Hillary was a terrible candidate, with a promiscuous relationship with the truth? That she possesses zero ethics, aside from what benefits her? 100% of Hillary's issues were caused by...Hillary. This was the most winnable election in history. Hillary should have won by a landslide. That she didn't..rests on Hillary

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[urguyscott]

The best thing the left could do for the U. S. is putting Princess Nancy and Cattle Thief Reed's hand pick fool back in charge of the left wing communists that have taken over the party. With these two do nothings, the next house election will lose more seats for the party. What these fools don't realize is that there are still real democrats, not left wing puppets, that still represent the people and not foreign governments or corrupt wall street 1 per centers. They voted for a change (about 1/3 of the members), but will have to wait till the next election to drive out the rest of the Obama/Clinton/Sanders type of dark age conservative leftist of the old establishment. It won't be New Democrats, but real Democrats that will represent the people.

 

[LadyVer]

Personally, I would like to get beyond the neo-conservative and neo-liberal bullshit and blaming, as well as the idea that Assange is an arbiter of truth and justice.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

That's what they call "projection."

Don't try to foist the Trump Hatefest onto Dems.

We did not call Romney, McCain, even Dubya, all these things, even though we hated them as much

This is the most telling statement you've made so far. If you operate from a position of hate, regardless of your opponent....the problem is you.

Point of fact: Donald Trump was a Democrat his entire life until this election. That's what five or six decades? How many other racists, sexists, xenophobes are the Democrats grooming??? What the fuck is wrong with your party, that you produce people like Trump? If all the things you said are true...it's the Democratic's fault for not seeing them sooner.

Or was he fine as a Democrat, giving money to the Clinton Foundation and to Chuck Schumer, until he became a Republican, and then he had to be destroyed.

Look...I don't like Trump. Never Have. But your positions are contradictory at best, and the level of hate in your responses...well, it's noteworthy to say the least.

Peace..

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[The_Trouvere]

Well, aside from the fact that we watched you slobber over a racist misogynistic xenophobe at "rallies" chanting "Lock Her Up" for a year and a half, there's also the niggling little fact that you're all willfully blind to all his Cabinet picks and hypocrisy and lies and bullshit and incompetence. And treason, let's now add. You call yourselves patriots and cheer on a treasonous Russian puppet. You cheer on a hypocritical, proven liar who stocks his cabinet with "Goldman Sachs" and Wall Street "elites" and Labor Secretaries who are completely anti-Labor. You turn a blind eye when he lies about the "jobs" he's saved and then attacks a Union leader for calling him out. You turn a blind eye when he Tweet attacks a private citizen, a young woman. You ignore the letters from American security and defense experts screaming that he's not prepared and does not have the temperament to lead this county. You cheer on an adult person about to lead this nation who cottons up to Alex Jones and was a birther and mocks disabled people and grabs pussies and who raped his wife. The list goes on and on and on.

Blaming Hillary and liberals for all this cannot explain it all. You like this guy. We can only assume, you overlook all the blatant evidence of who he actually is, because you like the racism, sexism, and xenophobia. You didn't elect him despite it, you elected him because of it. You. Like. Him.

Then of course, there's the rise in hate crimes and the gushing love of the Neo Nazi's that neither Dumbass or his supporters are bothered by. Doesn't bother you because you. like. it.

Other than that, let's discuss Wilbur Ross, Mr. Made Billions from the Bankruptcy of the Coal Industry, and how he's going to save the coal industry.

Let's discuss how his head of the EPA is going to "protect" the environment.

Let's discuss how his Attorney General is going to "protect civil rights." Oh, he's a known racist? We don't care. We. Like. It.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The Repub's need some new blood too. The cast they put up in 2016 were pretty pitiful. What 16 candidates and none of them could beat a (list of despicable traits) like Trump. However I'll bet they end up running Pence in 2020.

I rather expect Pence will already be POTUS by 2020.

 

[sr71plt]

I rather expect Pence will already be POTUS by 2020.

It's quite evident that he's going to be doing most of the job well before 2020.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Point of fact: Donald Trump was a Democrat his entire life until this election.

Irrelevant, since he never ran for any public office until the 2012 election -- as a Republican, and he didn't get far then -- therefore his fitness for office was never a matter Dems needed to consider before.

 

[JackLuis]

So who are the New Democrats you'd like to see running in 2018-2020? There are plenty of Trump/Hillary/Bernie bashing threads, guy.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I'd like to see some new Dem candidates who openly and proudly share Bernie's politics, at least in general terms. But I can name no names.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Irrelevant, since he never ran for any public office until the 2012 election -- as a Republican, and he didn't get far then -- therefore his fitness for office was never a matter Dems needed to consider before.

Doesn't change the fact that the guy is a big government loving lefty.

I'd like to see some new Dem candidates who openly and proudly share Bernie's politics, at least in general terms. But I can name no names.

That's because unlike you most of us don't want to see tens of millions of Americans shot in a ditch in the name of the greater good.

Most Americans are rightfully wary of the most murderous form of government that has ever existed.

 

[KingOrfeo]

That's because unlike you most of us don't want to see tens of millions of Americans shot in a ditch in the name of the greater good.

If Bernie were the one taking office in January, that would not put anyone at risk of being shot in a ditch. If a movement sharing Bernie's politics were to take over the Dems and sweep the states and Congress, that would not put anyone at risk of being shot in a ditch. Even the Trump=Hitler meme makes more sense than that, a lot more.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If Bernie were the one taking office in January, that would not put anyone at risk of being shot in a ditch.

But his socialist politics would.

Even the Trump=Hitler meme makes more sense than that.

That's because you're a hysterical partisan....YOU are the kind of person who is fine killing millions as long as it's for the greater good of the state.

 

[KingOrfeo]

But his socialist politics would.

Bernie's "socialist" politics are roughly equivalent to Scandinavian social democracy, which gets nobody shot, and for that matter has no other apparent down sides, either.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Bernie's "socialist" politics are roughly equivalent to Scandinavian social democracy, which gets nobody shot.

Until the wrong person takes control of that uber-power state you want and either shoots or starves millions of people just like all the other socialist shit holes in the last century.

Just move to Venezuela KO, your paradise awaits, they have the best HC on the planet!!

 

[KingOrfeo]

Until the wrong person takes control of that uber-power state you want and either shoots or starves millions of people just like all the other socialist shit holes in the last century.

Not something that has ever happened or even become a plausible possibility in a social democracy, nor will in your lifetime or mine.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Not something that has ever happened or even become a plausible possibility in a social democracy, nor will in your lifetime or mine.

That's what every single mass murdering socialist shit hole that has ever existed said when they started out as a socialist democracy or some other benign sounding form of soft socialism right before some populist showed up and killed people by the trainload.

The fundamental philosophy underpinning both social democracy and iron fisted communism is that the ends justify the means.

Anything goes in the name of the greater good of the state.

It's not only anti-American but evil as all fuck and it should scare anyone who's ever so much as glanced at history to see how well socialism run a muck turns out.