Never Voters vs Always Voters

[adrina]

Just thought I'd highlight the reality that in the United States of America we have more people who never vote (over 1/3) than we have people who always vote (less than 25%).

What do you think is the outcome of that?

 

[DeluxAuto]

• Young people need to vote.
• Old people need to be more informed with better information.
• 78% of the people have no right to bitch.

The outcome is unnecessary chaos and disharmony.

 

[ll74]

It's obvious. The never voters talk your ear off about "voting is pointless" on the internet once or twice a month.

 

[Dribble]

Give people a reason to vote and they will. But the system is so broken...they feel like it doesn't matter. And the reality...is it doesn't. Name one thing either party has given a person that lives paycheck to paycheck that helps them get away from living paycheck to paycheck. That's what those that don't vote see. Politicians don't care.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Just thought I'd highlight the reality that in the United States of America we have more people who never vote (over 1/3) than we have people who always vote (less than 25%).

What do you think is the outcome of that?

Just thought I'd highlight the reality that in the United States of America when you vote for the Democratic Party, Democrats will vote with Donald Trump and the Republican Party.

What do you think is the outcome of that?

Sen. Manchin Often Votes with Trump​

...Manchin has voted with Trump more often than against him.

As of July 23, his votes matched Trump’s stated position 60.5 percent of the time...

...three other Democrats have voted with Trump more often than not: Sens. Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Joe Donnelly of Indiana and Doug Jones of Alabama.

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/08/sen-manchin-often-votes-with-trump/

Republicans, Sen. Joe Manchin shoot down abortion rights bill in 49-51 senate vote​

A bill aimed at codifying abortion rights into federal law, failed in a 49-51 vote with Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin voting with Republicans.

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/new...blicans-kill-abortion-rights-bill/9737547002/

 

[BluesDriver66]

Give people a reason to vote and they will. But the system is so broken...they feel like it doesn't matter. And the reality...is it doesn't. Name one thing either party has given a person that lives paycheck to paycheck that helps them get away from living paycheck to paycheck. That's what those that don't vote see. Politicians don't care.

If your product or service is not selling it's not the fault or the responsibility of the consumer. It's means you have a shitty product or a shitty marketing campaign or both. Blaming consumers for little to no interest in what you're offering has never and will never reverse that trend.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

If your product or service is not selling it's not the fault or the responsibility of the consumer. It's means you have a shitty product or a shitty marketing campaign or both. Blaming consumers for little to no interest in what your offering has never and will never reverse that trend.

This isn’t really the same thing. The blender I choose not to buy isn’t going to run the country.

 

[BluesDriver66]

This isn’t really the same thing. The blender I choose not to buy isn’t going to run the country.

It's exactly the same thing. Political parties are providing a service just like every service provider, from the mundane like hair cuts to the most vital like medical services. Nobody is seeking out "Phil's Discount Mobile Brain Surgery" service just because medical services are important.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

It's exactly the same thing. Political parties are providing a service just like every service provider, from the mundane like hair cuts to the most vital like medical services. Nobody is seeking out "Phil's Discount Mobile Brain Surgery" service just because medical services are important.

Again, it isn’t. If someone chooses not to buy something the thing they choose not to buy doesn’t run the country.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Again, it isn’t. If someone chooses not to buy something the thing they choose not to buy doesn’t run the country.

Again, you are so off the mark it isn't funny. Voting is a means to an end. It is not the ultimate objective. All North Koreans vote in every election. It doesn't mean squat.

I'm not an advocate for not voting. But I do understand basic human nature. People are not going to invest time and money in something that they don't believe gives them value. They never have. They never will.

If you sincerely want votes you'll do what it takes to get them. Just like every other successful product or service provider. Offer value for your patronage and the votes will come. Nagging people to consume your substandard product is not viable marketing strategy and only turns people off.

 

[adrina]

One would think if it were simply a matter of being inspired to vote, then Bernie Sanders would have actually won the vote in the primaries. However he only won caucus states.

Inspiration to vote didn't seem to help voter turnout for Bernie.

 

[DeluxAuto]

One would think if it were simply a matter of being inspired to vote, then Bernie Sanders would have actually won the vote in the primaries. However he only won caucus states.

Inspiration to vote didn't seem to help voter turnout for Bernie.

Bernie had no chance at the presidency and if he was behind a solid Dem candidate from the start, that candidate would have won yugely, IMO. I think he inspired many to his side as opposed to the Dem side.

 

[BluesDriver66]

One would think if it were simply a matter of being inspired to vote, then Bernie Sanders would have actually won the vote in the primaries. However he only won caucus states.

Inspiration to vote didn't seem to help voter turnout for Bernie.

Oh gee. I don't know. Maybe it's because the DNC is corrupt as fuck and did everything in it's power to stab Bernie in the back. All in the interest of free and fair elections and deep and undying belief in the "Democratic" process.

Bernie Sanders Presidential Campaign Sues Democratic Party Over Data Access​

Campaign says DNC is undermining it as Democratic committee cuts off access to voter data following breach​

https://www.wsj.com/articles/democr...-access-to-voter-list-after-breach-1450451579

Released Emails Suggest the D.N.C. Derided the Sanders Campaign​

Top officials at the Democratic National Committee criticized and mocked Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont during the primary campaign, even though the organization publicly insisted that it was neutral in the race, according to committee emails made public on Friday by WikiLeaks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html

Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC​

Donna Brazile is the former interim chair of the Democratic National Committee. Excerpted from the book Hacks: The Inside Story of the Break-ins and Breakdowns that Put Donald Trump in the White House

I had promised Bernie when I took the helm of the Democratic National Committee after the convention that I would get to the bottom of whether Hillary Clinton’s team had rigged the nomination process.

By September 7, the day I called Bernie, I had found my proof and it broke my heart.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/

 

[BluesDriver66]

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Ed Schultz: MSNBC Fired Me for Supporting Bernie Sanders, 'They Were in the Tank for Hillary Clinton' ​

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Sanders gave his official campaign launch speech in Burlington, Vermont on May 26, 2015, and Schultz said he was the only cable news host planning to air it live. He had also taped an interview with Sanders at the lawmaker's home ahead of the speech.


However, he said Griffin called him five minutes before air time at 5 p.m. EST, and he said, "You're not covering this."

https://freebeacon.com/politics/ed-...pporting-bernie-sanders-tank-hillary-clinton/

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[Pad_Foot]

Bernie needs to promote and guide this time around

 

[BluesDriver66]

The idea that Bernie lost the nomination fair and square and that the corporate controlled media and Hillary's corrupt DNC had nothing to do with it is extremely naive and gullible. "Epstein hung himself in jail" level gullible.

Outcry after MSNBC host compares Sanders’ Nevada win to Nazi invasion​

MSNBC host Chris Matthews compared Bernie Sanders’ victory in the Nevada caucuses on Saturday to the Nazi invasion of France

He won the Nevada caucuses easily, helping solidify his status as the frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination in a primary split between moderates and progressives. Sanders’ win came in the wake of a strong showing in Iowa and victory in New Hampshire.

“Bernie is Jewish and his family was killed by the Nazis,” tweeted David Sirota, a Sanders speechwriter and former Guardian contributor. “None of this is OK.”

“It looks like Bernie Sanders is hard to beat,” Matthews said of the primary, adding: “I think it’s a little late to stop him, and I think that’s the problem.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ris-matthews-sanders-nevada-win-nazi-invasion

 

[curious_slut]

I always vote and I don't begrudge anyone who doesn't. In my country anyway, it rarely makes a difference.

 

[BluesDriver66]

The notion that Bernie Sanders was competing on a level playing field and lost the nomination because he just didn't inspire people like the candidate hand picked by corporate controlled Democratic Party bosses and the corporate controlled media is pure horse shit.

Cable News Covers Everyone’s Speech but Sanders—Who Made the Mistake of Discussing Policy​

...watching last night’s cable news coverage, because the three major 24-hour news networks—CNN, MSNBC and Fox News—cut away from Sanders’ speech.

Fox News, CNN and MSNBC all declined to carry Sanders’ speech, instead offering punditry about the evening, with the chyrons promising, “AWAITING TRUMP” and “STANDING BY FOR TRUMP.”

Sanders’ major sin appears to have been choosing to discuss policy rather than dishing out the typical hoorah platitudes. His hour-long speech which, according to Talking Points Memo, wasn’t carried even in part, focused on issues like campaign finance reform and the barriers to mass political change.

https://fair.org/home/cable-news-co...rs-who-made-the-mistake-of-discussing-policy/

 

[adrina]

Regardless of all of your protests and excuses, Bernie failed to inspire people to actually show up to the polls. They showed up to his rallies, but they didn't go to the polls. The DNC or the Democrats didn't stop people from going to the polls or voting. The people did that to themselves in the act of self-disenfranchisement.

Despite anything you think.

And nothing you said addresses the reality that most Americans do not actively vote. And when they do vote it is only once every 4 years. We have more people who never vote than people who always vote.

 

[Chernosoth]

Voter turnout may have been higher when local government had more power, when local votes had more effect in daily life, and people attended meetings of city councils, county boards, school boards, etc. instead of watching TV.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Regardless of all of your protests and excuses, Bernie failed to inspire people to actually show up to the polls. They showed up to his rallies, but they didn't go to the polls. The DNC or the Democrats didn't stop people from going to the polls or voting. The people did that to themselves in the act of self-disenfranchisement.

Despite anything you think.

And nothing you said addresses the reality that most Americans do not actively vote. And when they do vote it is only once every 4 years. We have more people who never vote than people who always vote.

Oh please. Your entire presence on this board is to nag and whine about it's the fault of others that HRC was unfairly denied her coronation into the White House. What happened to all your excuses like misogyny and Bernie voters ruining it for Hillary? Where was all that talk about "inspiration" then? Such a hypocrite.

So Bernie is absolutely responsible for his loss even though there is documented evidence of a conspiracy against his campaign by the media and Hillary's DNC but she has no responsibility for her loss even though Bernie campaigned for her all over the nation? Wow.

The facts are well documented. More participation of candidates like Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein bring more left leaning voters to the polls who ultimately vote for Democrats down ballot and left leaning causes. You are just flat out wrong on the facts.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Voter turn out data

 

[adrina]

Oh please. Your entire presence on this board is to nag and whine about it's the fault of others that HRC was unfairly denied her coronation into the White House. What happened to all your excuses like misogyny and Bernie voters ruining it for Hillary? Where was all that talk about "inspiration" then? Such a hypocrite.

So Bernie is absolutely responsible for his loss even though there is documented evidence of a conspiracy against his campaign by the media and Hillary's DNC but she has no responsibility for her loss even though Bernie campaigned for her all over the nation? Wow.

The facts are well documented. More participation of candidates like Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein bring more left leaning voters to the polls who ultimately vote for Democrats down ballot and left leaning causes. You are just flat out wrong on the facts.

Your anger leads you to wildly misinterpret reality and other's including mine opinion.

You you are so pissed off that you can't even think rationally. Bernie lost because people didn't go to the polls. And that is a regular experience across America.

You want to blame the Democrats for the inaction of citizens.

 

[adrina]

Voter turn out data

That's just the two and four-year main election data. The reality is that at primaries, local and special elections the turn out is less than 20%. And often times closer to 12% and sometimes less than that.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Just thought I'd highlight the reality that in the United States of America we have more people who never vote (over 1/3) than we have people who always vote (less than 25%).

What do you think is the outcome of that?

If the uninformed and uninvolved do not vote, then that is much preferable to them voting, so the outcome is a good one.