Nedd help brainstorming

[p_c352006]

I want to start a new story line but I am really having a hard time coming up with something original. My only real requirements are no BDSM or incest. I want something involving an innocent girl somehow being blackmailed, or controlled, etc. by an older man, turning her into a submissive slut. Could be a boss, co-worker, professor, family friend, priest, etc. I'm not tied to that part or even how the story develops. I just feel like there are a massive amount of stories similar to this and I'm trying to find a new angle to play. Any suggestions?

 

[Ldy_Sea]

So you are trying to come up with an original plot for a non consent/reluctance story by asking others for ideas?

I have 2 nonconsent stories I started writing years ago, neither of which has done MRE than take up memory for the last few years.

1. MILF is on a MMO sex site (think red light center) and conversation is overheard by a younger woman who becomes her willing slut

2. Low rent dude is on MMO (as above) and has submissive slut online. Somehow meets his sub IRL and sees something that tells himu who she is. She is a highpowered wealthy woman so he blackmails her to become his rl slut.

Honestly though other is nothing new under the sun. "With the exception of A Midsummer Night's Dream, Love's Labour's Lost and The Tempest, which are wholly original stories, Shakespeare borrowed his plots, down to fine detail"

It's not having an original story, it's having a good story.






It's more a matter of how you write it, then anything else.

 

[Hypoxia]

Nedd hellp speeling, too.

As Ldy_Sea said, there are no new stories, just rewrites of The Seven Basic Plots. Maybe try witing this as a tragedy (the mighty fall) and then a comedy (the lowly triumph) or maybe a mystery (unraveling the riddle). When in doubt, plagiarize.

 

[Que]

I dunno...writing a NON-bdsm story about a submissive seems original.

 

[Hypoxia]

I dunno...writing a NON-bdsm story about a submissive seems original.

I was going to bring that up but opted to be polite instead. A D/s story without BDSM? It's sort of like a non-incest story about siblings fucking. What??

OK, call it non-con, not BDSM, but the result is the same. The evil man perverts the innocent girl, forcing her into submission. Once she's submissive, she's willing, right? So it's no longer non-con. One, two, kiss my shoe!

 

[Ldy_Sea]

Technically you can have a submissive person without Bonfage, Discipline, Sadism, or Masochism. They're called servants

Actually I know some couples where the submissive justs makes no decisions, and their every action is controlled by the Dom but no one gets tied up or punished. It's about control Some people are control freaks, others are wishy washy.

 

[loquere]

I want to start a new story line but I am really having a hard time coming up with something original. My only real requirements are no BDSM or incest. I want something involving an innocent girl somehow being blackmailed, or controlled, etc. by an older man, turning her into a submissive slut. Could be a boss, co-worker, professor, family friend, priest, etc. I'm not tied to that part or even how the story develops. I just feel like there are a massive amount of stories similar to this and I'm trying to find a new angle to play. Any suggestions?

Have her murder him.

 

[walkerlong]

What if the young girl is totally into bdsm and the older man blackmails her into having plain vanilla sex?

"If you really care about saving your grandma's farm you will put down the handcuffs and come cuddle right now."

 

[LWulf]

Hmm... okay she is innocent. So no college girl/part-time stripper motifs.

The problem with blackmail is that you have to SELL the idea of how someone is being blackmailed. That's very tricky especially in today's jaded day and age.

Blackmail is holding something personal over someone and threatening to disclose it unless they comply with your demands. If the young lady is truly "innocent," then I find it difficult to fathom how she is being blackmailed...

She could have cheated on her taxes and was found out by a creepy old IRS agent who never got any of the pretty girls.

She comes from a traditional family and he was a lonely bird watcher who took some pictures of her making out with a guy of another race. Most people would jump at the white girl/black guy but that is so played out that maybe reversing that would make it more interesting or perhaps she is from a country where traditional values are still invoked, like Korea or India perhaps? Perhaps the couple are from two neighboring countries that are at odds with each other like a Jewish girl with a Palestinian boyfriend?

She is an illegal immigrant?

The trouble with any of those scenarios is there has to be substantial proof that will make her a pliable victim. The proof has to be something fairly substantial for her to acquiesce, yet embarrassing enough for her to not want to go to the authorities about it (so it is believable to the reader about why she gives in).

As it has been already noted, I'd steer clear of using the term "submissive" if you don't want to go into BDSM. Just using it to describe the concept, as you can see, elicits thoughts of BDSM.

Sometimes, a blackmailer will blackmail a naive innocent person into doing something not too offensive, which they intend to use as further blackmail to get them to do something worse, which can be used again to get the victim to be their sexual toy.
In affect, snowballing the blackmail concept down the hill to make the victim acquiesce easily at first, to begrudgingly concede, then be appalled at the predicament they have fallen into but see no other way out...

Not much in the way of ideas, but I hope delineating the blackmail process might help you ferment your own creative ideas.

 

[LWulf]

The trouble with the illegal immigrant concept is that the reader believes too easily that said immigrant might be too willing to give in to blackmail so she can remain a citizen in the adopted country illegally.

The hook is, she has to have the option to deny the blackmailer somewhat easily, but (for whatever reason) she doesn't and complies instead. That would generate the interest to continue reading and see how far Alice goes down the rabbit hole.

 

[loquere]

Have her kill him

 

[Hypoxia]

The trouble with any of those scenarios is there has to be substantial proof that will make her a pliable victim. The proof has to be something fairly substantial for her to acquiesce, yet embarrassing enough for her to not want to go to the authorities about it (so it is believable to the reader about why she gives in).
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Sometimes, a blackmailer will blackmail a naive innocent person into doing something not too offensive, which they intend to use as further blackmail to get them to do something worse, which can be used again to get the victim to be their sexual toy.
In affect, snowballing the blackmail concept down the hill to make the victim acquiesce easily at first, to begrudgingly concede, then be appalled at the predicament they have fallen into but see no other way out...

Ah yes, the slippery slope. Spy literature suggests this is a classic technique -- persuade the victim to obtain some trivial but classified intel, or perform some trivial but treacherous act, then blackmail them for more. The classic LIT scenario has the seducer gain intimacy once, with sounds and images recorded, then threaten the victim with public humiliation and/or destruction if they don't submit.

Yes, the plot gerbil must be plausible. (Plot gerbil: something that eats its way into the story. Smaller than a plot bunny.) "Illegal alien" doesn't really work. Real or engineered misconduct might work -- people stress over sex, money, morality, race, right? Hmmm, how to exploit those vulnerabilities... Aha! Threaten someone the victim loves! "Fuck me, or I'll blow the lid off your mother's embezzlement!" Something like that.

 

[lovecraft68]

Technically you can have a submissive person without Bonfage, Discipline, Sadism, or Masochism. They're called servants

Actually I know some couples where the submissive justs makes no decisions, and their every action is controlled by the Dom but no one gets tied up or punished. It's about control Some people are control freaks, others are wishy washy.

That's called a TPE relationship.

I learned a long time ago here not to bother discussing BDSM on any of the writing forums.

Over in the BDSM forum you have the been there done that bought the t-shirt crowd. Same for the fetish boards.

On the author side I have found too many posers who guess at things and don't want to admit they're clueless to waste time getting into the type of debate being started here.

 

[LWulf]

"Illegal alien" doesn't really work.

"Why not?" Captain Blunt retorts adroitly.

You have someone who is over the barrel. They have done something to be put in a compromising position, id est, they have done something "illegal." They could be revealed to the authorities where they will be deported back to their country of origin. So there is the lingering threat.
The blackmailer then gives two options, get deported or have sex with me.

True, it is somewhat cut and dry and doesn't have a lot of chance for development, but maybe that means it's a challenge and therefore has potential for being unique? IDK I don't know that many stories on lit. Maybe that type of story is a dime a dozen.

 

[Hypoxia]

"Why not?" Captain Blunt retorts adroitly.

I would refer you back to your previous objection. But, thinking it out, it's more personal.

I lived for a decade just two miles from the Arizona-Sonora border on a very busy human-trafficking route. I've seen la migra (Border Patrol) chasing mojados (wetbacks) right in front of me. And I've helped leave bottles of water at flagged points in the desert, so illegals didn't have to die of dehydration. I've heard too many stories of illegals being victimized and raped by coyotes (human smugglers) and local thugs. I just don't find such sexual extortion to be erotic.

Yes, a story about a blackmailed illegal could 'work'. I don't know if I'd care to read it.

 

[LWulf]

I just don't find (illegal alien) sexual extortion to be erotic.

I could go on a ten page rant about the first part of your reply.

I'm not going to argue about you having an opinion that you don't find blackmailing of illegal aliens to be erotic.

I will simply point out, that ALL blackmail is extortion, if you look at it in that frame of mind. It's funny that we watch murder and mayhem about various crimes on TV and in stories and even cheer on the "righteous criminals" and call that "entertaining," yet the cold sobering truth is, it's never fun to see happening in real life.

I can feel if I go one step further with this I'll be going into that rant I mentioned, so I'll end it here.

For myself, I wasn't discussing illegal aliens who are in the act of fleeing from an impoverished country to a more prosperous one, but the illegal aliens who successfully establish themselves in a foreign country illegally.
Yes, it's still a "two wrongs don't make it right" scenario.

When I made the illegal alien suggestion, in the back of my mind, I wasn't thinking a foreigner being illegal in America, but an American illegally in a foreign country as a twist, perhaps fleeing from excess credit charges she couldn't pay back. I didn't have much more than that and didn't feel it worth mentioning, until now.
Again, that goes back to my initial question of how does a blackmailer truly blackmail someone who is "innocent?" In my mind, for it the threat to be real enough to be believable for her to cave in, she can't be too innocent.

 

[p_c352006]

Thanks for all the comments so far, I appreciate it. Sorry for the confusion by using the word "submissive"; I didn't realize that would illicit such a response. I was mainly trying to convey the idea about a girl "submitting" to the blackmailer, or whatever, no necessarily a master/slave type of thing. I will try and chose my words more carefully next time.

What I was looking for as far as something more original was in dealing with HOW the person gets into the predicament in the first place. I feel like a lot of the stories like this are student/teacher, boss/employee, or father/daughter, mother/son type of stories. I was trying to think of something new or at least less cliche'. I like the idea of the illegal immigrant, but I would definitely need to tweak it a bit. As mentioned, maybe the character flees from the US to Canada to avoid debt, criminal charges (embezzlement, or shoplifting), etc. Maybe on a similar premise, the character goes to Canada to obtain free healthcare, prescription level meds, etc. and is caught trying to bring them back into the country. Instead of pressing charges she is used by the government to help infiltrate larger organizations that do the same thing on a greater scale... or something as simple as being used by the security guards working that particular checkpoint. Just spit-balling ideas here. I would like something that could turn into a longer, more drawn out story though... as the "snowball" rolls down hill

 

[LWulf]

okay well, now that you focused it down to one concept I can flesh out more ideas.

Hmm well, you said she is young, and instead of saying she is "innocent" let's say she is a little on the "naive" side.

It's your story so where you go with it is entirely up to you, but... I'd think embezzlement is unlikely for a 19 to 20 year old. She would have to be pretty in charge of something to be allowed to gain access to a corporate account to get any sizeable embezzlement charge that would be threat enough for her to flee the country, to me that means she is more mid-twenties and less likely to be naive.
Shoplifting would be a slap on the wrist for a first time offender and she wouldn't flee the country over something like that.

The most likely way for her to accrue debt would be going to college. Not only paying for her college, but living high on the hog while there. She gets some basic job that she manages to get a bunch of credit cards and buys a full wardrobe nice jewelry, etc. Then she finds she can't get a job or gets the idea that she doesn't have to pay off all the debt if she flees the country, burning her bridges so to speak.

If she comes back to the country, they will likely throw her in jail. She's book smart, maybe a little clever, but foolish for street smarts.
Now personally, I tend to like to write my female characters to be smart, which makes it all the more interesting when someone outsmarts them. Would a 19-20 something haul butt to Canada - the cold north? I don't think so. She would maybe go for someplace more exotic and tropical, maybe Brazil, or Morocco. You don't want to pick a country that has extradition rights with the States, though of course chose a country you are familiar with describing which will make the story, again, more believable.

Now I don't like perfect people so lets make her a little fractured. Why wouldn't she care about not coming back to the States? Because she was adopted. Her adoptive mother died in some tragic accident, and since she turned 18, her adoptive father was getting lecherous, blah blah blah, so she isn't just fleeing debt but the creepy father deal too.

Now when she gets to this other country, she figured she would easily get a job. She's college edjumacated now, after all, but times are tough and she starts falling into the same old patterns. She starts ringing up debt. Let's say she also got a false ID before she left the States, so credit-wise she is a "virgin" again. Her debts start to rise, and she figures she will flee the country and start over again in another country.

Then enters her benefactor.

Maybe he is someone that works at the bank, or maybe he is an upper class mobster. He is "connected" though, and he somehow figures out who she is.

Dum dum dum!

At first he is polite and understanding. Maybe he isn't such a creepy ugly old dude, and is actually not bad looking. The trope is that bad guys wear black hats and are ugly, so she would be mistrustful of such a character. He asks her to do something for him which is how he gets her in the trap and for doing this, he will alleviate SOME of her debt. He is polite and ever so the gentleman and quite the smooth talker, so she is more willing to think he is "safe." See? Naive. He can't make it out to be too sweet a deal, because without any looming debt, the authorities wouldn't mind her leaving. Maybe the authorities are looking for her even though they don't know who she is from the states, but just from her huge debts accrued in that country.

Also, if her benefactor's deal is too sweet, she might become suspicious.

After doing this one task, he starts the snowball rolling. She figures out too late that she is now his victim. She tries to flee the country a couple times and finds out how well connected he is. Each time she is caught by someone who works for her benefactor.

Not really sure how to get her into his bed towards the end, but I'd figure that she is quite angry with him at that point so there isn't any romantic notions in her head about him no matter how charming he is, so it is still a blackmail scenario.

Also, I don't know how you can make it sexual up to the point of her going to bed with her benefactor, Most people would want something sexual going on long before that especially if you are thinking numerous chapters. Perhaps one of the things she is asked to do is be a drug mule. That's kind of cliche though, in and of itself, but it DOES supposedly happen, so...

One way she might be ensnared is for her to bring a seemingly harmless package to someone's house. She is seen entering the house by people on the street and then after she leaves, BOOM! That would be accelerating her blackmail snowball a trifle bit, but that would be one reason the authorities are looking for her and why she can't leave the country...

Also a good reason why she hates her benefactor.

The thing is, my understanding of the Lit rules is that, as a victim, you have to "balance the scales" somehow for her at the end. By making her a victim that is less "innocent," I think that would make it more rational that the blackmailer isn't dead by the end of the story... hmm or maybe you could have it where she sleeps with him with the promise that he clears all charges and debt for her if she sleeps with him, but then to get revenge, she leaves a seemingly innocent package before she leaves, and BOOM!

She flees the country and starts fresh in a new country, but who is that shadowy bandaged figure watching her...

Dum dum dum!

Was that too cliche? Spy stories aren't really my thing...

 

[Mockingjay]

Before you write any topic about BDSM, you have to study it. Don't think that it is really for a kinky violence lovemaking. It's safe, sane, and consensual. Two parties consent to the activities and more likely the submissive has the power over ghe relationship. Again, research. Take it as an assignment. It's bias and unfair if we non-BDSM practitioners are ignorant yet writing of things about them.

 

[Mockingjay]

-It's Need not Nedd.

 

[Hypoxia]

-It's Need not Nedd.

I sort of pointed that out back in post #3.

Too bad this forum does not allow editing of thread title typos. Oh, the shame!