Neal Boortz is off his Rocker this cannot be true

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Please tell me its all lies and untrue.

DID YOU PACK YOUR KID OFF TO A GOVERNMENT SCHOOL THIS MORNING

Political correctness rears its ugly head again this morning. The New Jersey Department of Education has released their new revised version of American history standards. This is basically a “required teaching” list for New Jersey teachers.

I though you might be interested in some of the people, events and items that are on this list,

NOT ON THE LIST
George Washington

Thomas Jefferson

Benjamin Franklin

Pilgrims

The Mayflower


ON THE LIST
Theodore Dwight Weld

Angelina Grimke

Sarah Grimke






Also .. the word “war” is discouraged. In its place the teachers are to use the word “conflict.”

Well, this IS New Jersey. This is the state where they have been arguing for over a decade on whether or not to have students recite a passage from the Declaration of Independence in their classes. That passage, you see, begins with the hideously insensitive words “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal …” This, you see, is “insensitive” to women and blacks.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

It's all lies of omission and half-truths.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

It's all lies of emission and half-truths.

Fill me in please i cannot fathom in my delusion why those 5 people/events would nt be on the required list

and why the declartion of independance quote would be so bothersome.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Take a map of New Jersey. Throw a dart. Call the Board of Ed in that town and ask them if it's true that their teachers never mention George Washington. Be prepared for two minutes of stunned silence and then a "What are you fuckin' kidding me, or what?" rebuke.

Then start reading a real newspaper.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

It took me all of two minutes to find this

New Jersey Core Curriculum Content Standards

"George Washington" and the rest are completely covered. Boortz is the biggest dope since that idiot with white hair who sits on TV in front of the Space Shuttle photo and screams about his "hot seat".

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Re: It took me all of two minutes to find this

New Jersey Core Curriculum Content Standards

"George Washington" and the rest are completely covered. Boortz is the biggest dope since that idiot with white hair who sits on TV in front of the Space Shuttle photo and screams about his "hot seat".

I got tired after about 10 paragrapsh so I used the CTRL & F feature of internet explore and the not list was not found even using one name, but all the other names on theon list were there

I guess my Ctrl & F function must be broken

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

And THAT pretty much sums up your ability to research anything.

The page doesn't mention George Washington. It also doesn't mention Abrahman Lincoln, Richard Nixon, Watergate, JFK, The Manhattan Project, Manifest Destiny, King George III, Old Ironsides, the State of Alabama, The Intercontinental Railroad, Barnum, Trench Warfare, The Marshall Plan, New York City, Tammany Hall, the ERA, the Mississippi River, Eli Whitney, Charles Lindberg, teflon, the light bulb, Mark Twain or baseball. Do you thik that means teachers in New Jersey are not allowed to mention them either?

It's not a list of "things to say" for fuck's sake.

If you hadn't gotten so "bored" in your search for the truth about things (you DID start this thread, didn't you?) you would have read:

Grades 5-12
C. Three Worlds Meet (to 1620)
D. Colonization and Settlement (1585-1763
E. Revolution and the New Nation (1754-1820)

or........

B. The American Political System
1. Identify key documents that express democratic principles and beliefs, including the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the New Jersey Constitution of 1947.

2. Identify some essential ideas embodied in the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution and discuss their importance.

or...........

Descriptive statement: The study of history is central to a liberal education in a democratic society. All students learn about their heritage and their history.(sic)

E. Revolution and the New Nation (1754-1820)

or..................

B. Nation

1. Recognize the names of some major figures in American history.


Should I go on? Or is the actuality of things too "boring" for you?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I'll allow that at least you started this thread off with SOME common sense when you wondered if Nutball #1 was "off his rocker". But, can't you see that by allowing yourself to be "informed" by someone who creates arguments by leaving out information ("It doesn't come right out and SAY George Washington, so that means they're not allowed to TEACH George Washington!") you're perpetuating his skewed agenda?

Anyone who reads the actual curriculum will see, very clearly, that George Washinton is absolutely to be discussed, not only in historical terms, but geo-political terms and sociological tersm and economic terms. But because it's a curriculum, not a syllabus, it doesn't acutally have to mention the name of every single historical person to be taught.

A passage like this: "E. Revolution and the New Nation (1754-1820) 1. Analyze the major events and issues of the American Revolution, including Enlightenment concepts, the reasons for replacing the Articles of Confederation with the Constitution, implications for African Americans and women, the Federalists vs. Anti–Federalists, and the development of the first American party system." should leave no doubt that Washington, Adams, Jefferson and Franklin should be discussed, in great detail.

And that's just ONE of at least 12 direct references I counted to the Revolutionary War.

Is this all clear now? Do you acknowledge that Boortz is not interested in the truth of the matter? Do you acknowledge that he's only interested in being able to say "They don't mention George Washington!" despite the fact that that doesn't mean anything? Do you acknowledge that he is counting on your being too "bored" to actually read and analyze the thing for yourself?

 

[Guest]

A passage like this: "E. Revolution and the New Nation (1754-1820) 1. Analyze the major events and issues of the American Revolution, including Enlightenment concepts, the reasons for replacing the Articles of Confederation with the Constitution, implications for African Americans and women, the Federalists vs. Anti–Federalists, and the development of the first American party system." should leave no doubt that Washington, Adams, Jefferson and Franklin should be discussed, in great detail.

Just wanted to add that discussing the implications of the Constitution on women and blacks ("African Americans" is really an inaccurate term here) is not an attempt to add a PC spin to American History. The delegates to the Convention debated the inclusion of women and blacks into the meaning of "all men are created equal." Some delegates wanted to give women the same rights as men; some wanted to abolish slavery as inconsistent with the ideals the new nation was purporting to exalt. In the end, obviously, both groups were excluded until the 13th and 19th Amendments to the Constitution.

 

[Mischka]

Boy, that looks a lot like something I would write.

 

[Weevil]

Boy, that looks a lot like something I would write.

Naw, the spelling is too good.

 

[Problem Child]

What kind of brutally insensitive parents would name their daughter Stockard?

 

[Mischka]

They didn't. Her first name is Susan. Stockard is her maiden name, and Channing was her first husband. See, what would you do without me?

 

[Unclebill]

DCL, a question if you please, . . .

well, actually, two:

1. What sort of emissions were your thinking of?

2. Who is the white haired guy you have in mind? Bill Press or is there another one I don't know?

 

[Mischka]

Re: DCL, a question if you please, . . .

1. What sort of emissions were your thinking of?

Can't speak for Dixon, but perhaps the paranoid-tinged hot air of Boortz?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Re: DCL, a question if you please, . . .

well, actually, two:

1. What sort of emissions were your thinking of?

2. Who is the white haired guy you have in mind? Bill Press or is there another one I don't know?

LOL

1. Typo. It's "omission".

2. Local access nut job. I don't know his name. He thinks he's famous.

 

[Guru]

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Hello? Toddy?

 

[Dumpington]

Question for Dixie

Getting back to the very first post...

Who the hell are Theodore Dwight Weld, Angelina Grimke, and/or Sarah Grimke? And why is it important that our schoolkids be taught about them? I've never heard of any of them, and I consider myself to be fairly well educated in American History.

 

[Moridin187]

Re: Question for Dixie

Getting back to the very first post...

Who the hell are Theodore Dwight Weld, Angelina Grimke, and/or Sarah Grimke? And why is it important that our schoolkids be taught about them? I've never heard of any of them, and I consider myself to be fairly well educated in American History.

Theodore Dwight Weld - Major abolitionist, wrote the book "American Slavery As it Is" a couple of decades before the Civil War

Angelina Grimke - Major abolitionist and women's rights advocate, married Theodore Weld

Sarah Grimke - Angelina's sister, worked along the same lines..

 

[Mischka]

Re: Question for Dixie

Who the hell are Theodore Dwight Weld, Angelina Grimke, and/or Sarah Grimke? And why is it important that our schoolkids be taught about them? I've never heard of any of them, and I consider myself to be fairly well educated in American History.

Are you suggesting that History should be a static subject? These people were important members of their contemporary societies, even if your teachers failed to mention them. Historical perspective often changes when the focus shifts from studying historical leaders to studying the people and thoughts behind those leaders. The last decade has revealed a strong tendency toward studying the "ordinary" people instead of solely focusing on the elected and appointed political leaders. Personally, I find such an approach more revealing about an era. Knowing the facts about a leader means little if you do not understand the movement that placed that leader in his position.

Here's a few links if you would like to learn more about the people on the list:

Weld: "Many historians regard Weld as the most important figure in the abolitionist movement, surpassing even Garrison, but his passion for anonymity long made him an unknown figure in American history."

http://www.bartleby.com/65/we/Weld-The.html

Grimke: "Angelina Grimke, along with her sister Sarah, were the first women in the United States to publicly argue for the abolition of slavery."

http://www.cas.ilstu.edu/English/351/hypertext98/hankins/african/AGrimke.html

http://www.pinn.net/~sunshine/whm2000/grimke4.html

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Re: Question for Dixie

Getting back to the very first post...

Who the hell are Theodore Dwight Weld, Angelina Grimke, and/or Sarah Grimke? And why is it important that our schoolkids be taught about them? I've never heard of any of them, and I consider myself to be fairly well educated in American History.

First of all, it's "Dixon". "Dixie" is a girl I fucked in New Orleans in 1985. LOL

I think your quesiton has been answered. The only reason those folks are mentioned in curriculum report is because they're not generally known, though their contributions are important to any well rounded study of American history, society and economics.

Helloooooooo Todd?

 

[Thumper]

I wish I was in the land of...

What do Dixon Carter Lee and Ulysses S. Grant have in common?








They both "screwed" Dixie!

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Yeah, well, at least he got to be President. All I got was the clap.

 

[Thumper]

Applause is good.


Dixon for President!