My Lousy Marriage

CarolineOh

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I have been divorced for almost three years, and some days it still sort of sneaks up on me and feels like a punch in the stomach. I don't want a pity party, because I'm happier now than I have ever been in my life, but still I feel like venting. If anyone else wants to use this thread to vent as well, come on in, there's plenty of room.
I met Robert when I was 23. I was working as an asst. manager at a hotel and he came in for a conference. We chatted a bit, and he came back later and asked me to have a drink with him. I did, and we started going out. He was not like guys I'd dated before. I had mostly gone with bad boys, the kind of guys who were in bar bands at night and slept all day. Robert was suave and urbane. He treated me better than any man ever had. When he asked me to marry him, I said yes immediately.
The first problem was with his old money Grosse Pointe family. They were not happy that we planned to get married in a Catholic Church. And as far as they were concerned, I was a "grubby little Polack gold digger"(That's an exact quote, btw). But anyway, that wasn't the main problem.
We went to Italy for our honeymoon. The first night in Rome was a romantic dream come true, we spent the whole night sipping wine and eating cheese and olives and making passionate love.
And that was it. It was like he got it out of the way, like a duty. Ten days in the most romantic cities on earth, and we didn't have sex even one more time. I asked him what was wrong and he told me he was exhausted from the stress of the wedding, and the travel, etc.
After we got back, things were better for a while, but sex was almost always at my instigation. We would go weeks at a time without sex. I tried all sorts of things to spike his interest,and I made it plain to him that I was willing to try anything he wanted. Every once in awhile it would work, and we'd have a short period where it was great, but then it would just taper off again. Sometimes I tried to tell myself this was normal, other times I blamed myself. I became very depressed. I didn't take care of myself, and I gained a lot of weight. Of course, then I felt even more unattractive, and I'm sure he felt I was more unattractive to him, so it just cycled down and down.
We were married eight years. The last two were completly sexless. at least on my part. I didn't want to think he was seeing someone else, but in my heart I knew he was. He would come home hours after he was supposed to, and he would get up sometimes after I went to sleep and go on the Internet for hours, and on a couple of occasions I suspected he snuck out of the house in the middle of the night.
So, one night I came home from work early. Robert's car was there but the house was dark. I went up the stairs to the bedroom and caught him in bed with his male lover. Let me tell ya, that'll fuck with your head.
Well we tried to talk through it. He explained to me that he had struggled for years with his bisexuality, but he couldn't see that it wasn't that he was bi, but that he had destroyed my trust in him. All those years I felt it was my fault, my problem, that I wasn't sexy enough,or pretty enough, or thin enough to make him happy.
Goddamn it, it still pisses me off.If he said he was gay, OK, nothing I could do about that, but bi, that really pisses me off. I would have done threesomes with him, hell yes I would have. I'd have used a strap on , or even given him space to go out and play with the boys if he wanted.
AAAAARRRRGGHHHH Robert, you dumb ass!!!!! Damn, damn, damn!!!! You stupid bastard, all you had to do was be honest!!
Well fuck him, he was so afraid to let it come out to his snooty damn family why we were divorcing that I got the settlement deal made in heaven.
Goddamn jerk.
Whoo, I feel much better now.
Thanks for listening

:)
 
Sounds more like he's full on, no holds barred gay.

Sounds like bi was his term to make him feel better.

Good thing you said bi-bi to that bi.

It also sounds like you're more upset that what should have been...wasn't at all. Maybe less about him and more about the life that he convinced you would be created.
 
Devil's Advocate

I hope you don't mind me jumping in here and throwing in my thoughts.

It's obvious that Robert was dealing with some difficult feelings of his own, and most likely before you two met.

Those are pretty heavy feelings and emotions to deal with. I can't even imagine.

That's not to say he shouldn't have been honest with you. But maybe he was afraid to admit his bisexuality to you, for fear of your rejection? Only you can answer that.

What I'm saying is, from reading what you wrote I would have to say cut the guy a little slack. Heavy, heavy emotions to deal with.

It was an unfortunate situation. And it was cheating on you now matter which way you look at it, for sure.

Respectfully yours.
 
alexandraaah said:
Sounds more like he's full on, no holds barred gay.

Sounds like bi was his term to make him feel better.

Good thing you said bi-bi to that bi.

It also sounds like you're more upset that what should have been...wasn't at all. Maybe less about him and more about the life that he convinced you would be created.

Well, during those periods when we did have sex, he seemed to enjoy it. But you are right, I don't "blame" him for being who he is, but I still feel this sense of loss for a dream that didn't come true.
 
Re: Devil's Advocate

Zamdrist said:
I hope you don't mind me jumping in here and throwing in my thoughts.

It's obvious that Robert was dealing with some difficult feelings of his own, and most likely before you two met.

Those are pretty heavy feelings and emotions to deal with. I can't even imagine.

That's not to say he shouldn't have been honest with you. But maybe he was afraid to admit his bisexuality to you, for fear of your rejection? Only you can answer that.

What I'm saying is, from reading what you wrote I would have to say cut the guy a little slack. Heavy, heavy emotions to deal with.

It was an unfortunate situation. And it was cheating on you now matter which way you look at it, for sure.

Respectfully yours.

I don't mind you jumping in, I appreciate your comments.
I like to think that if he'd said at the beginning that he was bi, I'd have said "Oh cool we can have some fun with that!" or something, but I wasn't the same person then that I am now. Maybe I'd have freaked out, I don't know.
And please understand that because I feel a need to vent now and then, it's not like I hate him, I don't. I'm happy now and I hope he is too. But still, there is that little voice that pops up now and then and says "Oh, by the way, you're marriage was a failure". I don't know if that ever goes all the way away.
 
Re: Re: Devil's Advocate

CarolineOh said:
And please understand that because I feel a need to vent now and then, it's not like I hate him, I don't. I'm happy now and I hope he is too. But still, there is that little voice that pops up now and then and says "Oh, by the way, you're marriage was a failure". I don't know if that ever goes all the way away.

Sounds like you've grown since then.

My marriage died from apathy. She said:

"I'm leaving," I said "Ok, don't let the door hit you on the way out."

LOL. Though I have a wonderful son that came out of the marriage. Best behaved lil boy you'll EVER meet. :D
 
CarolineOh said:


Well, during those periods when we did have sex, he seemed to enjoy it. But you are right, I don't "blame" him for being who he is, but I still feel this sense of loss for a dream that didn't come true.

I'm sure he did enjoy it. My gay dad produced three daughters with my mother, his wife of 25 years. I'm sure he enjoyed it although frankly I'd rather not consider the notion at all as it's my parents.

I think so often, at the end of a relationship, we pine over a person...and eventually we realize (if it's this type of situation) that it was more about a life, a dream, a guarantee of how we planned our future in our mind.

It's hard not to get pissed now and then, but you sound pretty resolved about it.
 
alexandraaah said:


I'm sure he did enjoy it. My gay dad produced three daughters with my mother, his wife of 25 years. I'm sure he enjoyed it although frankly I'd rather not consider the notion at all as it's my parents.

I think so often, at the end of a relationship, we pine over a person...and eventually we realize (if it's this type of situation) that it was more about a life, a dream, a guarantee of how we planned our future in our mind.

It's hard not to get pissed now and then, but you sound pretty resolved about it.

Thank you! That's exactly how I feel. Thanks for understanding.
 
I was afraid to open this thread, Caroline. I thought you were talking about that sexy hunk of a man you're with now. :)

I can totally see how his lying fucked with your head. Especially because you thought it was your fault he wasn't interested in you.

Well, at least you got a good settlement out of it, right? ;)
 
Thats sad and disapointing. Trust is such a hard thing to get and such an easy thing to lose.

Oh and I think Polish girls are sexy. Very sexy in fact.

*points to location*
 
Geez...

That sucked...
I think he could have taken the time to "find" himself before he dragged you into the confusion.

Of course you know...it wasn't your fault...
 
Rubyfruit said:
I was afraid to open this thread, Caroline. I thought you were talking about that sexy hunk of a man you're with now. :)

I can totally see how his lying fucked with your head. Especially because you thought it was your fault he wasn't interested in you.

Well, at least you got a good settlement out of it, right? ;)

Honey, he knew he had two choices. He could say "Here's a boatload of money, Caroline, have a good life" or he could say "But Dad, it feels good to have a dick up my ass" So he chose the first answer;)
And as for Sam, when I'm done with him I'll slap a big bow on his ass and FedEx him to Nevada;)
 
Azwed said:
Thats sad and disapointing. Trust is such a hard thing to get and such an easy thing to lose.

Oh and I think Polish girls are sexy. Very sexy in fact.

*points to location*

Dziekuje! (That's thanks):) I'm damn sexy as a matter of fact.
 
Re: Geez...

Rambrat said:
That sucked...
I think he could have taken the time to "find" himself before he dragged you into the confusion.

Of course you know...it wasn't your fault...

I do know that now, but it was not knowledge easily acquired. Thanks to everyone who has replied so kindly.
 
CarolineOh -

A guy here, but I've been there and the best thing I can say to you is:

Isn't it great to feel better now...
 
CarolineOh said:
Well, during those periods when we did have sex, he seemed to enjoy it. But you are right, I don't "blame" him for being who he is, but I still feel this sense of loss for a dream that didn't come true.

You are a lot more real, I suspect (with yourself and with the World) than he is. Yes, be sad for HIS loss - but be happy for your gain. You are sexy, and literate, and mature... :cool:

Besides, Hamtramck ROCKS - Grosse Pointe sux! ;) What a bunch of second-generation Anglo-american limp-dicks... :devil:

Na Zdarovye! :heart:

Jimi Kanookski :)
 
Re: CarolineOh -

DriveSouth said:
A guy here, but I've been there and the best thing I can say to you is:

Isn't it great to feel better now...

Not only is every thing better now, but in a perverse way, I think I benefitted sexually myself in the long run. Since my divorce I've explored my own bisexuality, which I kept stifled all those years (although actually, I did tell Robert I had same sex fantasies), and I am more open and eager to explore sexually than I would have been if things had worked out with Robert.
 
Jimi6996 said:


You are a lot more real, I suspect (with yourself and with the World) than he is. Yes, be sad for HIS loss - but be happy for your gain. You are sexy, and literate, and mature... :cool:

Besides, Hamtramck ROCKS - Grosse Pointe sux! ;) What a bunch of second-generation Anglo-american limp-dicks... :devil:

Na Zdarovye! :heart:

Jimi Kanookski :)

You know it, baby!
 
Well

Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react. Sound like you have a good handle on that. Glad we were here for you to Vent.

HMC
 
It is great that you posted this, Caroline.

You helped me to find the words to describe some of my own feelings.

My divorce was the best thing to happen to me, and yet, there are times the marraige creeps up on me and sucker punches me.

Is it that I wasted ten years of my life?

Is it that HIS life is easier while my struggle is just continuing?

Is it that my children are stuck with a father who is completely detrimental to them, except for the fact that he is their father.

Is it that certain aspects of the marriage sapped some of the good things from who I am?

No! I am not down about it....just responding and wondering...

Why rue the end of something that needed to end?

:)
 
MissTaken said:
It is great that you posted this, Caroline.

You helped me to find the words to describe some of my own feelings.

My divorce was the best thing to happen to me, and yet, there are times the marraige creeps up on me and sucker punches me.

Is it that I wasted ten years of my life?

Is it that HIS life is easier while my struggle is just continuing?

Is it that my children are stuck with a father who is completely detrimental to them, except for the fact that he is their father.

Is it that certain aspects of the marriage sapped some of the good things from who I am?

No! I am not down about it....just responding and wondering...

Why rue the end of something that needed to end?

:)

Thank you, MissTaken, I'm glad my words helped you. I liked what Alexandraaah said, that it isn't that we mourn the los of the partner, or the end of the relationship, but the death of a particular dream of life.
When I hear people knock the Internet, I think of times like these, when we can connect across so many miles and know we are not alone in our feelings.
 
Well
I will throw my 2 cents in. I was married for many years. Have 3 great kids from it. But it was a very lonely marriage. I will not go into long drawn out story, but she never wanted me sexually and for years I thought it was me. I had a scare with what I thought was a heart attack and when we later found out it was something else, I started to look at my life and decided I did not want to continue this. I tried talking to her but she refused to get counseling or try to work it out. I had stayed because of the kids and because I came from a divorced family. Mom was married 4 times and dad 3. So I was not to interested in putting my kids through it. After I moved out (kids were older in late teens and early 20s) and we were divorced. I found out later she had been sexually abused as a kid and never told me and I reminder her of the abuser. If she had just talked about it but she did not. Anyway, yes I too am happier divorced, but when you commit to someone and are with them for many years you go throught those why didn't they do this or that. You can play those things out in your mind over and over again and get so frustrated. That is still part of the healing process. The best thing you can do is say, you did your best, they did what they felt they had to do and you forgive and you move on. The past is just that. The past. Time now to focus on what is going on now and hope for the best in the future. THat is what I have done and am doing. But yes I am like you, sometimes I wonder why didn't she do this or that. But, it is just a waste of time. Someone said you got someone great in your life now. SUPER! Enjoy it. There is nothing you can do about the past but learn from it.
 
Thank you Spenser, I'm glad to hear that you are doing well, too. I can't imagine how heartbreaking it would be to love someone, and have them tell you that you remind them of their abuser.
 
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