My Journey to Hell and back

[Sammael Bard]

My machine is powered by Windows 7 Pro and I recently tried to upgrade to Win 10 under the influence of my tech friend.

This pretty much sums up my feedback for the Microsoft team:

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My machine went into endless loops of restart for four hours after getting updated with Win 10.

Somehow the devil took mercy, and I found my way to the system restore page.


Upgrade to Win 10?

Not in this life.

 

[sr71plt]

Sounds like I've made the right decision not to upgrade my laptop from 7 to 10 (just as I'm still happy to have made sure I bought the laptop with 7, not 8, in it).

 

[Eve2015]

The same thing happened to some of my friends who updated from Pro. Several of them work for Microsoft. The language they used to describe the indignity of having to call tech support isn't fit for publication, not even on this site. That was after months of random crashes because they're 'required' to use the beta on their work machines. Fun!!

Needless to say, I'm waiting

 

[Zeb_Carter]

That's what I've been reading all over the net. Windows 10 sucks shit.

No wonder they gave it away for free. They needed a large Beta test group to find all the bugs they knew were in there but couldn't find on their own.

 

[TxRad]

My main computer shows on the internet as windblows 7 but is actually on Linux most of the time.

When the emulators get good enough to play a couple of my favorite games, Windblows is gone.

There is a group working on a writers version of Libreoffice that also supports Office .Doc files.

You can also run older versions (Before 2010) of Office through WINE on Linux. I use office 2000 and it installs and runs fine.

 

[Learin]

The new update for Win 7 is supposed to fix minor glitches, but turned out to be buggy instead. I Googled the endless loop problem, and it seems to be common to many users. You can find a solution to it and fix it easily.

Eventually Microsoft will pull its services out of Win 7, Win 8 and 8.1, so I think it will be prudent to reserve and download the copy of Win 10 as long as it's free, but delay from applying it to the machine. Even if you don't like the Win 10 upgrade, you can revert back to your older version within a month.

I have used Win 10, and it's pretty cool. You have to turn off a few features such as sharing Wi-Fi passwords and un-check options to stop the software from collecting your personal data. Most of the data collecting is for bug fixes and help for Microsoft's Cortana (which is awesome, by the way) to give you helpful suggestions based on your previous searches and likes.

So far, my experience was great.

 

[Soldieringon]

The funny thing is that I haven't had a single problem. I upgraded my laptop from 7 to 8, from 8 to 8.1, and then to 10 beta, back to 8.1 (it was a beta, after all), and back to 10 again.

Everything works perfect except that my action center doesn't open if I let the computer go to sleep twice without performing a restart. Other than that, it kept all my files in the right spots, reinstalled my Office and Visio, and my Visual Studio 2013 works perfectly.

I love Windows 10.

Commence the flaming, please.

 

[R. Richard]

Eventually Microsoft will pull its services out of Win 7, Win 8 and 8.1, so I think it will be prudent to reserve and download the copy of Win 10 as long as it's free, but delay from applying it to the machine. Even if you don't like the Win 10 upgrade, you can revert back to your older version within a month.

Yes, Microsoft will stop supporting older windows versions. Sooner or later, you will migrate to Windows 10, if you stay with windows. Wait for a bit, but not too long.

 

[LadyVer]

I'll stick with Win 8.1 until the bugs for Win 10 are worked out.

 

[Devilius]

Doesn't matter when you download the Win 10 upgrade. All glitches are taken care off by future automatic updates that it makes, provided you've switched it on.

I have downloaded the Win 10 copy, but haven't installed it on my laptop. That, I think, would be the best way to go for anyone still wary about Win 10 bugs that are creeping out with every update.

The funny thing is that I haven't had a single problem. I upgraded my laptop from 7 to 8, from 8 to 8.1, and then to 10 beta, back to 8.1 (it was a beta, after all), and back to 10 again.

Everything works perfect except that my action center doesn't open if I let the computer go to sleep twice without performing a restart. Other than that, it kept all my files in the right spots, reinstalled my Office and Visio, and my Visual Studio 2013 works perfectly.

I love Windows 10.

Commence the flaming, please.

It's easier for people to do the update with 8.1. Not many bugs that people have found in it.

The glitch Bard mentioned are exclusively in Win 7.

 

[sybarite_1]

I reserved Win 10

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Since the 70s the Microsoft process remains the same.

Its premier operating system comes from the factory flawed, and it takes 2-3 years of updates to fix it. By then the computing art slowly passes Microsoft by and the operating system gradually succumbs to change it cant cope with. Microsoft is reactive rather than a pioneer.

 

[Handley_Page]

When the emulators get good enough to play a couple of my favorite games, Windblows is gone.

You can also run older versions (Before 2010) of Office through WINE on Linux. I use office 2000 and it installs and runs fine.

Do let me know if I can run the Microsoft Flight Simulator on it please.

I'll stick with Win 8.1 until the bugs for Win 10 are worked out.

Very Wise, I think. Best wait for the Mk 2, eh?

The funny thing is that I haven't had a single problem. I upgraded my laptop from 7 to 8, from 8 to 8.1, and then to 10 beta, back to 8.1 (it was a beta, after all), and back to 10 again.

Everything works perfect except that my action center doesn't open if I let the computer go to sleep twice without performing a restart. Other than that, it kept all my files in the right spots, reinstalled my Office and Visio, and my Visual Studio 2013 works perfectly.

I love Windows 10.

Commence the flaming, please.

A pal of mine tells me he is the same with it.

But I think I'll await the first "service pack" before installing it.
Oh - and getting the Book.

 

[jomar]

I moved to 10 from 8.1 and it got stuck in the startup loop for awhile. About the time I was getting ready to call my tech guru it fixed itself and all has been good since then.

 

[1handslapping]

Since the 70s the Microsoft process remains the same.

Its premier operating system comes from the factory flawed, and it takes 2-3 years of updates to fix it. By then the computing art slowly passes Microsoft by and the operating system gradually succumbs to change it cant cope with. Microsoft is reactive rather than a pioneer.

It's the same with all O.S's People just bitch and moan because it's Microsoft

rule of thumb is that there is one mistake every 10 lines in written code, programmers checks get rid of 90%
initial testers get rid of 90% of the remaining. each round of Beta testing gets rid of 90% of the remaining ones. and at some point it becomes uneconomic to remove any more as it will push the cost of the finished product up too high.
if your software is that size it will have that many mistakes so both Microsoft and apples software are about 40 million lines of code, they'll both have about 4,000 undiscovered flaws that will be slowly discovered by their customers. the competition don't spend an order of magnitude more money on testing, and don't have a magic keyboard that removes typing errors so things are pretty much the same.

Now a lot of the internal code in 10 will be identical and already checked from 7 and 8 so say about half the errors already found (as will apples software and Linux) so there should be about 2,000 undiscovered problems out there with each.

Claims that MS are spectacularly worse than anyone else is all marketing BS

And no I don't work for Microsoft, but have worked with all those OS's and more

 

[1handslapping]

Plus

I've just updated one of my machines from 7 to 10 with no problems so far

 

[Carnevil9]

I updated one machine from Win 7 Pro to Win 10 - nary a problem, and 10 is working like a champ. I updated my GFs machine from 8.1 to 10 - again, no glitches, and it works fine. I'm sorry that some folks are having problems, but in my anecdotal database, you guys are the unfortunate "squeaky wheels" rather than the rule. Not that that makes your frustration any less, of course!

Ever notice that Windows versions are kind of like Star Trek movies? They alternate between pure shit and pretty good on every other release.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

It's not the initial install that is the problem. It's one of the updates that causes the problems. And I'll bet that Microsoft has pulled that update by now, but you can never tell.

I had essentially the same problem with several updates on Vista where Windows 8 files were sent along with the Vista files. Screwed things up royally. Thank goodness for restore points.

I had the same thing happen with a Windows 7 update...after a reboot I was suddenly looking at a Windows 8 desktop...that didn't work. Restore point fixed the problem and I skipped that update.

So, even though some of you haven't had any problems, I am happy for you, others have.

 

[Sammael Bard]

Just for the record, I have no problem with Win 10. It's cool, and eventually we all have to upgrade our OS to it.

It's the upgrade patches that I have a problem with. Every time Microsoft announces a new security patch or some other thing, it messes up with the way the Win 10 upgrade is installed, like the endless loop I've mentioned.

Believe me, despite having the backup on your PC, it's not a good experience to watch something go wrong with a system upgrade about which you have little knowledge.

Just make the upgrades less of a headache, and you'll have my thanks.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

It's the same with all O.S's People just bitch and moan because it's Microsoft

rule of thumb is that there is one mistake every 10 lines in written code, programmers checks get rid of 90%
initial testers get rid of 90% of the remaining. each round of Beta testing gets rid of 90% of the remaining ones. and at some point it becomes uneconomic to remove any more as it will push the cost of the finished product up too high.
if your software is that size it will have that many mistakes so both Microsoft and apples software are about 40 million lines of code, they'll both have about 4,000 undiscovered flaws that will be slowly discovered by their customers. the competition don't spend an order of magnitude more money on testing, and don't have a magic keyboard that removes typing errors so things are pretty much the same.

Now a lot of the internal code in 10 will be identical and already checked from 7 and 8 so say about half the errors already found (as will apples software and Linux) so there should be about 2,000 undiscovered problems out there with each.

Claims that MS are spectacularly worse than anyone else is all marketing BS

And no I don't work for Microsoft, but have worked with all those OS's and more

I've been fucking with Microsoft since 1978. Bill Gates built a reputation upon the following process: Design the box first, do the ads, put some fucking thing inside the box, sell it, and offer updates till its impossible to fix the shit in the box for good. Then design a box for WINDOWS.02 etc.

WINDOWS 10 is simply WINDOWS 93 with a few more fixes.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I've been fucking with Microsoft since 1978. Bill Gates built a reputation upon the following process: Design the box first, do the ads, put some fucking thing inside the box, sell it, and offer updates till its impossible to fix the shit in the box for good. Then design a box for WINDOWS.02 etc.

WINDOWS 10 is simply WINDOWS 93 with a few more fixes.

Actually, Windows 10 as Windows 8, 7, Vista, XP, etc. were all based on Windows NT, not the heavily DOS based Windows 95, 3.1, 3, 2, etc.

 

[SikFuk]

I just read that Windows 10 surrenders control of your PC to Microsoft. Microsoft gets access to all your personal info and files and puts some of that data in their cloud. The suggestion is to do a Custom Install of Windows 10 and turn off all the sharing options. Then go back and just turn on the stuff you need.

I don't envy you Windows users. If Microsoft had to reimburse its customers for all the down time they've experienced due to their shitty OS, Bill Gates wouldn't be a billionaire, he'd be billions in the hole.

 

[Soldieringon]

The suggestion is to do a Custom Install of Windows 10 and turn off all the sharing options. Then go back and just turn on the stuff you need.

I work in IT, this is the way that security is done for all operating systems, mobile and otherwise, whenever possible. Close all holes and only grant permission when needed. This is not a Windows thing but a general security thing. I work with people who lock down gaping security holes in OSX for the government.

I don't envy you Windows users. If Microsoft had to reimburse its customers for all the down time they've experienced due to their shitty OS, ....

It's not Microsoft's OS that's the problem, but rather the hardware. I know you're shaking your head in disbelief, but Apple controls both the hardware and the software. They've created a walled garden and determine what goes together and exactly how they work using what protocols. That's why no one games seriously on Apple computers.

Microsoft on the other hand has the largest base of hardware variations to accommodate. They have to allow the installation of drivers from thousands of vendors using dozens of protocols and have it all work seamlessly (or as close to it as they can). They have to make their hardware work on AMD and Intel processors, which must support 30 types of RAM from dozens of manufacturers in unlimited configurations. Windows runs in an I3 with 2 GB RAM or an I7 with 32GB of RAM and still manages to do all of the same things.

Personally, I'm rather impressed that it works the way it does.

And, before you go touting the benefits of Linux, I would ask you what competing version of that fractured OS seems to work for you? Because neither Mint or Ubuntu support my printer, Ubuntu won't support my common wireless driver, and no version of Linux supports the software required by the University pf Phoenix, whose digital textbooks require a Windows file-system to store the logon information.

There's no money in Linux, and there wasn't any gaming interest until Steam decided that they were going to build a separate OS on top of it. That's the problem with open source.

Like it or not, Microsoft is the only reasonable game in town.

 

[Handley_Page]

I work in IT, this is the way that security is done for all operating systems, mobile and otherwise, whenever possible. Close all holes and only grant permission when needed. This is not a Windows thing but a general security thing. I work with people who lock down gaping security holes in OSX for the government.

Like it or not, Microsoft is the only reasonable game in town.

Trouble is, Microsoft have forgotten who put them there.

Windows 10 is 'now on 70million PCs' See HERE.

 

[Soldieringon]

Trouble is, Microsoft have forgotten who put them there.

Windows 10 is 'now on 70million PCs' See HERE.

I'm afraid I don't see what you're getting at. The vast majority of people who have Windows 10 seem to love it. Most champion it as a great improvement over 8. It's at least as good as 7, with a lot more functionality. I'd say they remember exactly who put them on top, and that this shows they are committed to listening to what the consumer wants.

Let's not discuss 8, though it worked fine for me.
Do you want them to stay with 7?
Do you want them to go to XP?

Those operating systems have as many flaws as Windows 10, and XP has many many more security holes. Microsoft must move forward. They must, because no one else is standing still. You don't have to have 10, you have the option of not having it at all. Please, keep 7, be happy if that's what you want.

It does appear, to answer your earlier question that there is a problem with the copyright protection on MS Flight Simulator and Windows 10, but I expect that they'll work around that.

Edit: Why is Windows 10 free? Simple. Microsoft wants to create a fully integrated platform using software as a service. The more people that have Windows 10, the more windows phones and tablets they will sell, as your settings, documents, and even the last place you left off on a webpage will transfer over. Windows 10 on as many devices as possible also helps bolster up sales of the Xbox One as they are having issues in that department as well.

They're not giving it away because it's bad, they're giving it away so that you can create a cohesive ecosystem between your devices in the future. Do not be surprised if you start seeing home devices (like Nest and the like) integrating with Win10 and being run from your smartphone or tablet.