A couple of random unconnected thoughts on 9/11
Thought 1:
I've seen 9/11 compared to Pearl Harbour a few times and for some reason it really, really bugs me. Pearl Harbour was the initial attack on the US that led them into the mess that was WW2. The general sentiment, even today 60 years after the fact, is that the attack is partly so nefarious because the Japanese didn't have the courtesy to declare war before they bombed the US.
But 9/11 is most certainly not a sneak attack. There had been significant armed combat between the "forces of evil" and the US three full years before 9/11(Longer maybe it's not an area of expertise of mine)
Was 9/11 a sneak attack that started a war? no. It was an attack in a war that caught the US off guard. The real story of 9/11 is that nobody in the US, from the government on down, took the war seriously enough. It's not the other sides fault that you deemed them inconsequential.
Thought 2:
I can't share the moral outrage the rest of you can. Well, I can. 3,000 people dying is terrible. But, well, people die in war. Innocent people. All the time. The US has done its share too(How many 9/11's till you approach the total of civillians killed in Japan?) . I don't believe American lives are more valuable than other lives. It sucks, it's terrible and it's a true tragedy that America got it's wake-up call in such a brutal fashion but, like I said above, it's war and this happens in war.
This isn't REDWAVE saying it's America's fault. Or that they deserved it. No one deserves this happening to them. Even for all my problems with America I don't wish ill will on them on a magnitude of this level.
But the old saying goes, Terrorists are what the big army calls the little army. Were the targets poor choices for targets? I doubt it the three targets were
1) A large military base
2) a huge financial office building important to the economy of the nation's largest city
3) The head of state's house
Seems fairly reasonable to me as military targets. If the US were at war with a bigger, evil version of the US wouldn't you hit the Pentagon and the White House?
I know about the innnocent people on the planes but unfortunately the idiots you're at war with can't afford F-15's and Stealth Bombers. They're at war and they use what they have. I'm sure they don't bat an eye at the loss of life aboard those planes but if today, you told Don Rumsfeld that he could win the war on terror but he'd have to kill 3,000 innocent Iraqi's do you think he'd really be so much of a humanitarian as to say it's not worth it?
Look from a pure yes or no sense, I'm firmly on the side of the US here. I don't dig these Al-Qaeda boys, I hope you succeed in nailing every one of them into a pine box. But I think it's a big, dumb mistake to think they don't get to play by the same rules you do.
Thought 1:
I've seen 9/11 compared to Pearl Harbour a few times and for some reason it really, really bugs me. Pearl Harbour was the initial attack on the US that led them into the mess that was WW2. The general sentiment, even today 60 years after the fact, is that the attack is partly so nefarious because the Japanese didn't have the courtesy to declare war before they bombed the US.
But 9/11 is most certainly not a sneak attack. There had been significant armed combat between the "forces of evil" and the US three full years before 9/11(Longer maybe it's not an area of expertise of mine)
Was 9/11 a sneak attack that started a war? no. It was an attack in a war that caught the US off guard. The real story of 9/11 is that nobody in the US, from the government on down, took the war seriously enough. It's not the other sides fault that you deemed them inconsequential.
Thought 2:
I can't share the moral outrage the rest of you can. Well, I can. 3,000 people dying is terrible. But, well, people die in war. Innocent people. All the time. The US has done its share too(How many 9/11's till you approach the total of civillians killed in Japan?) . I don't believe American lives are more valuable than other lives. It sucks, it's terrible and it's a true tragedy that America got it's wake-up call in such a brutal fashion but, like I said above, it's war and this happens in war.
This isn't REDWAVE saying it's America's fault. Or that they deserved it. No one deserves this happening to them. Even for all my problems with America I don't wish ill will on them on a magnitude of this level.
But the old saying goes, Terrorists are what the big army calls the little army. Were the targets poor choices for targets? I doubt it the three targets were
1) A large military base
2) a huge financial office building important to the economy of the nation's largest city
3) The head of state's house
Seems fairly reasonable to me as military targets. If the US were at war with a bigger, evil version of the US wouldn't you hit the Pentagon and the White House?
I know about the innnocent people on the planes but unfortunately the idiots you're at war with can't afford F-15's and Stealth Bombers. They're at war and they use what they have. I'm sure they don't bat an eye at the loss of life aboard those planes but if today, you told Don Rumsfeld that he could win the war on terror but he'd have to kill 3,000 innocent Iraqi's do you think he'd really be so much of a humanitarian as to say it's not worth it?
Look from a pure yes or no sense, I'm firmly on the side of the US here. I don't dig these Al-Qaeda boys, I hope you succeed in nailing every one of them into a pine box. But I think it's a big, dumb mistake to think they don't get to play by the same rules you do.
