Musings 2K7

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2007...another day, another year, another number in a long, long compendium of Sol and the ‘Third Rock from the Sun’, with countless revolutions and perturbations.

We live in a time unlike any preceding; although each new year, one can legitimately echo those words, be it 360 BC, 1AD or 1066 or 1252, or 1776 and so on.

But I draw attention to the period of time roughly following the Industrial Revolution, the bare beginnings of the scientific enlightenment of modern man.

And here, some 150 years later, one can survey the spectrum of accumulated knowledge and information and quite reasonably say: ‘indeed, we live in a truly unique time in Human history.’

We cannot identify the precise instant but we know that the Universe came into being about 15 Billion years ago. We know, with that same certainty, that the Earth and our Solar system is about 4.5 Billion years old.

We also know, within certain parameters, how the earth evolved from a molten object circling the sun, into its present form.

We have an understanding of Plate Tectonics and how the Earth’s continents have moved and are still moving. We understand Volcanism and have somewhat of a handle on the planet’s weather system and what drives it.

We understand much, but not all, about the physical nature and laws of the Universe, those that keep all things in place and moving and why.

We finally comprehend Darwin’s Theory of the Evolution of Life to a point where it has long ceased to be a ‘theory’ and is indeed, accepted fact.

With our technology, we have explored the vastness of interstellar space and concluded that we may be one of, ‘billions and billions’, of intelligent life forms, or that we may truly be, all alone in the vastness of time and space.

Billions and billions of human lives have come and gone in the millions of years the strata faithfully recorded for our curious eyes and minds; millions of species have come into being and then gone extinct, leaving little more that fossil remains for us to unravel.

We have delved without and within beneath the microscopic level to genes and chromosomes and molecules and atoms and find it within our power to both alter and create life forms at our choosing.

Thus when I postulate at the beginning of this that we live in a truly unique time in human history, I do so with all the accumulated knowledge in mind and repeat, we live in a time unlike any before us.

I could have and perhaps did, say that, at the advent of the new Millennium, six short years ago as 2000 rolled in and was celebrated. But in those short years, information geometrically expanded and our ability to deal with concepts and numbers via digital means has compounded the depth and wealth of our understanding.

I felt a vast and overwhelming loneliness a few days ago when considering these thoughts and I thought of the thousands of forms of religion and belief intended to ease our pain as we became aware of our mortality. Not that I sought a Supreme Being to ease my pain, but the true and absolute realization that indeed, we are alone and sentenced to life and nothing more.

I used to think, with a sort of snobbish intellectualism, that those of faith, were so as they lacked the mental acuity to face reality and deal with it in human terms. Some pundit once wrote, “If there was no God, man would create one…”, an approximation and I cannot recall the Philosopher who penned those words…Voltaire or Nietzsche perhaps…

Although I personally could not adopt a ‘faith’ at this late date, I no longer feel the superiority to those who do. Thus the ultimate meaning and purpose of life will remain for me as it always has, inherent in the function of life regardless of its duration.

Those who question the theory of a Supreme Being by asking, “Well, what was there before God and don’t tell me He always existed!”, might well temper there query by asking the same question concerning the ‘Big Bang’ theory, “what existed before that?”

Since the vast majority of humans never question those basic assumptions concerning our existence and most have no interest in scientific matters and very few are even aware of the geography of the planet or the events of the day, I doubt these musings will generate much discussion.

There is not much overall to glean from this post, I know, I knew that as I considered trying to put the words together.

It wasn’t really an epiphany about the totality of accumulated knowledge, nor even the conclusions that sprang forward I wished to share, although that is part of it.

Perhaps it is the inherent irony of the old saying, “Ignorance is Bliss”, that it may be ultimately true.

Happy New Year.

Amicus2k7
 
amicus said:
Musings…2K7

We live in a time unlike any preceding; although each new year, one can legitimately echo those words, be it 360 BC, 1AD or 1066 or 1252, or 1776 and so on.

From my reading, I would use 4AD, rather than 1AD. I would also use 490BC in place of 360BC and 1014 instead of 1252. JMHO.
 
R. Richard said:
From my reading, I would use 4AD, rather than 1AD. I would also use 490BC in place of 360BC and 1014 instead of 1252. JMHO.

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At least you offered a comment, R.Richard....I picked 1AD as the approximations of the origin of Christianity, 360BC as the time of Thales, one of the first true philosophers, 1066 as the Norman Invasion of England, I think, and 1252 as the approximate time of the discovery of medicine and the accepted end of the Dark Ages and about the time of Chaucer.

but...as you say...one could have picked many different dates for many different reasons....and...I did no searching...just extemporaneous, off the top of my head from memory...

thanx...


amicus...
 
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[I said:
Lee Chambers]Seems to me like you're thinking about this kind of thing too much.
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True, Lee Chambers, without a doubt...ya got a cure for thinking?

amicus
 
amicus said:
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True, Lee Chambers, without a doubt...ya got a cure for thinking?

amicus

Generally I just live my life. Sometimes I think about things like "What came before God?" or "Is there a God or is there a God and I'm not worshipping the right religion?"

But the way I see it, worrying about whether there is a God or not a god or if I'm in the right faith is a waste. After all, no one has ever discovered true, concrete answers to life's greatest questions by sitting around and thinking about them. And since I don't have the means to go and really find the answer out for myself (other than dying) then I just live my life.

Anyone will feel overwhelmed when they start looking at existence from the big picture, because you see that, in reality, you really don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Even the greatest people in human history don't really matter, in the grand scheme of things. So you get this mentality of "Jeez, if that's the case then what's the point?"

Well I finally decided not to worry about what the point was. I just live for myself. I don't try to fit myself like a brick in the great wall of the cosmos. I just go with my life. I do the things I enjoy. I don't strive for some "higher purpose" unless it suits me to do so. You should do the same. I think then, when you start to look at your life like that, you won't feel that hollow feeling of being absolutely alone and insignificant.
 
Thank you Lee Chambers for a sympathetic and poignant answer...it is appreciated.

Even though I personalized some of the commentary, overall, I intended it to be more a rhetorical and conceptual statement, taking into account all that one person can be aware of and still be inclusive of a view of the 'grand scheme' of things.

Life goes on and will even after my demise and yours, forsooth, but still those 'great' men and women you speak of who indeed furthered the knowledge of man, not only play a role in human history, they act as inspirations for those with an insatiable quest for knowledge to continue the journey.

There are thousands of different avenues of thought that I continually pursue, some more active than others; one being that the more intelligent a couple, the fewer children they have.

It is not a mystery as to why this is so but the consequences of a less than replacement reproductive rate for the best minds of our time, gives me cause to question the ultimate fate of those who think, act, write, sing and create in this world.

As you said, it is inconsequential as to whether or not there is a 'God' and whether or not one accepts any particular faith. What is not inconsequential concerning faith and belief is the nature of the ethical or moral system engendered by those of faith and those without which has been a long term discussion topic of mine on this forum.

How does one properly live ones life in a faith based system of ethics or in a rational based system of ethics and morals, is a question that is somewhat of an ongoing one, I think.

It is not a new question of course, as far back as the Greeks there were those who lived and believed that 'pleasure' was the only moral goal of life.

Good food, good wine, good sex and to hell with everything else. I rather sense that some, if not many, have adopted that standard and I suspect the betells difficult times in the future...

as I said in the title...'Musings...' for a new year....

amicus...
 
[I said:
mismused]Ah, a placid ami cus (are you drinking, or what? :confused: ). Seriously, a good "wonderment" on your part. As to the above, and the universe, life, etc:

"But we are the product of this universe and I think it can be argued that the entire cosmic code is imprinted in us. Just as our genes carry the the memory of our biological ancestors, our logic carries the memory of our cosmological ancestry. . . We are progeny of this cosmos and our ability to understand it is an inheritance."

A remedy for your malady, if such it be, ami cus: Add two doses of extrapolation, and perhaps a dose of Einstein's "thought experiments," and a dollop of his "imaginatioin is more important than knowledge" thingy.

Luck to the "new" ami cus in this year of your discorvery/epiphany. :rose:
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I shall welcome the near year with a comment from you Mismused and ignore your pandering to a 'new, placid, amicus...' ahem...

Not completely unfamiliar with concepts concerning ancentral memories, even a cosmic code of sorts...but as always, with a grain of salt and a shaker of doubt.

Science fiction writers, Heinlein, Lazarus Long who lived 2500 years and McCaffery, The Rowan, developing powers of the mind that transcend the laws of nature...who can even guess in which direction and how far the human mind will evolve in future Millennia, I can't.

But...we ain't there yet...and are not likely to be in my or your lifetime...maybe thas why we write....

nice to see you...all the best for '07

amicus...
 
amicus said:
Thank you Lee Chambers for a sympathetic and poignant answer...it is appreciated.

Even though I personalized some of the commentary, overall, I intended it to be more a rhetorical and conceptual statement, taking into account all that one person can be aware of and still be inclusive of a view of the 'grand scheme' of things.

Life goes on and will even after my demise and yours, forsooth, but still those 'great' men and women you speak of who indeed furthered the knowledge of man, not only play a role in human history, they act as inspirations for those with an insatiable quest for knowledge to continue the journey.

There are thousands of different avenues of thought that I continually pursue, some more active than others; one being that the more intelligent a couple, the fewer children they have.

It is not a mystery as to why this is so but the consequences of a less than replacement reproductive rate for the best minds of our time, gives me cause to question the ultimate fate of those who think, act, write, sing and create in this world.

As you said, it is inconsequential as to whether or not there is a 'God' and whether or not one accepts any particular faith. What is not inconsequential concerning faith and belief is the nature of the ethical or moral system engendered by those of faith and those without which has been a long term discussion topic of mine on this forum.

How does one properly live ones life in a faith based system of ethics or in a rational based system of ethics and morals, is a question that is somewhat of an ongoing one, I think.

It is not a new question of course, as far back as the Greeks there were those who lived and believed that 'pleasure' was the only moral goal of life.

Good food, good wine, good sex and to hell with everything else. I rather sense that some, if not many, have adopted that standard and I suspect the betells difficult times in the future...

as I said in the title...'Musings...' for a new year....

amicus...

It's definitely a delimma trying to figure out how to live your life. After all, how many different factions exist just in the United States (or any other country a person might live in) telling us how we should live? Not only in religion but in culture, government, economics, business.

As for the question of how one properly lives their lives, no one can answer that because no one has ever defined what is the "proper" way to live. Ask a die hard republican, an illegal immigrant, a catholic priest, a college student, and a war veteran what the proper way to live your life is and you'll have a hundred more questions than what you started with.

I live my life according to how I view the world. A lot of things I believe come from the way I was raised. However, as I get older I find myself building my own belief structure based on the things I've experienced in my life and the trials and tribulations that I've faced and overcome or failed to overcome.

In the end, I think the only proper way that any person can live their life is to simply live and fight on through all that stands in their way. And no matter what someone else might tell you, life is a constant struggle whether we think of it in those terms or not.
 
Lee Chandler...once again, appreciate your candor.

"...It's definitely a delimma trying to figure out how to live your life. After all, how many different factions exist just in the United States (or any other country a person might live in) telling us how we should live? Not only in religion but in culture, government, economics, business.

As for the question of how one properly lives their lives, no one can answer that because no one has ever defined what is the "proper" way to live. Ask a die hard republican, an illegal immigrant, a catholic priest, a college student, and a war veteran what the proper way to live your life is and you'll have a hundred more questions than what you started with..."



Read what you wrote in the light of what is taught as a standard of behavior in public schools, just in the USA. "...no one has ever defined what is the "proper" way to live...."

I submit that the entire history of moral philosophy and formal ethics has been refining the concept 'proper' for centuries and that while certainly people are pulled in many directions insofar as it concerns a 'proper' way to live one's life, that in spite of all that, there are certain universal and absolute concepts of morality that apply at all times and all places in human affairs.

This too, has been a long ongoing discussion on my part here on this forum and I don't necessarily want to pick it up again here and now, but I felt I needed to counter your supposition of an opinion driven or subjective/relativistic impetus to the question of 'proper' conduct.

Again...I didn't mean to get carried away on that...I sense perhaps you have not following the continuing conflict on this forum concerning objective, absolute morals and secular humanist apologetics.

sorry...


amicus...
 
Amicus, may I take the opportunity of the new year, as you have, to agree that humility in the face of all the knowledge you refer to is probably the only objective and rational response. :rose: Thank you for a kind reminder for the new year.
 
[QUOTE=Huckleman2000]Amicus, may I take the opportunity of the new year, as you have, to agree that humility in the face of all the knowledge you refer to is probably the only objective and rational response. :rose: Thank you for a kind reminder for the new year.[/QUOTE]
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Thanks Huck...and the best to you.

I suppose humility is as good a word as any to describe how one imbibes all that accumulated knowledge. I am not certain that 'humble' is how I feel, nor overwhelmed, nor sad...not even insignificant in the scheme of things....But I do feel something akin to all those things.

May 2007 be a great one for you and yours.


amicus...
 
amicus said:
I suppose humility is as good a word as any to describe how one imbibes all that accumulated knowledge. I am not certain that 'humble' is how I feel, nor overwhelmed, nor sad...not even insignificant in the scheme of things....But I do feel something akin to all those things.
I know what you mean, I think. ON the one hand, it is human knowledge and ingenuity and curiosity and damn pig-headedness that accounts for all of those stunning advances and achievements. And, as one on the narrow end of the bell curve, whatever that amounts to, I would think that I have an appreciation and understanding and synthesis of that rapidly accumulating human knowledge. Along with that, a more profound sense of awe. And with that, a certain emptiness that there will likely always be something that is quite beyond me, whether for time or comprehension. And that makes me wonder what that bell curve really measures, or where my knowledge might fit on it a generation or two from now.

To humility in the face of wondrous ideas, and to hope that we ultimately have the capacity to discern them. :D

amicus said:
May 2007 be a great one for you and yours.


amicus...

And to you and yours, Ami. ;)
 
I must agree that our global village feels itself tottering on the threshold of a precarious time in it's history, perhaps what Michel Houellebecq has termed, "metaphysical mutations"; society re-imagining itself, sweeping away old economics and political systems, ethical considerations, and social structures. The journey of human knowledge has given us both great gifts and great disasters, sometimes one becoming other. I have a feeling the devastation of environmental abuse will forge a metaphysical mutation where grand ideologies are left for dead and we are obliged to recognize the planetary issues which bear on our parochial concerns, impeling us to act on that recognition. It's easy to be cynical, but I remain cautiously optimistic. Time is running out, but hope springs eternal.
 
After all your posturing, Ami, I have one response to one statement:

"Thus when I postulate at the beginning of this that we live in a truly unique time in human history"

Do we really? I am not sure about this statement. :)
 
[I said:
cumallday]I must agree that our global village feels itself tottering on the threshold of a precarious time in it's history, perhaps what Michel Houellebecq has termed, "metaphysical mutations"; society re-imagining itself, sweeping away old economics and political systems, ethical considerations, and social structures. The journey of human knowledge has given us both great gifts and great disasters, sometimes one becoming other. I have a feeling the devastation of environmental abuse will forge a metaphysical mutation where grand ideologies are left for dead and we are obliged to recognize the planetary issues which bear on our parochial concerns, impeling us to act on that recognition. It's easy to be cynical, but I remain cautiously optimistic. Time is running out, but hope springs eternal.
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(take this with a sense of humor please)

What is it about Canadians that makes them so fruitcakey? Just left over Englishmen and Frenchmen and Eskimos? Or is it more? The cold climate perhaps as Canadians ofter follow in the frozen footsteps of the Swedes?

"...B]I have a feeling the devastation of environmental abuse..." [/B]

Now, just what 'devastation' would you be referring to? The magnificent cities of man? The longer more healthy lifespan for Billions? More luxury and comfort than ever before, for more, everywhere?

Just what 'environmental abuse' would you be referencing?

A natural underwater oil/methane release that has been occuring for millions of years causes more havoc than a thousand Exxon Valdez's.

One perky little volcano in the Philippines pumps forth more gases in a week than all of mankind does since the industrial revolution.

I suppose all you closet wimps think that if you say how bad things are enough times it will actually be that way? I keep telling you Descartes got it backwards, it is not "I think, therefore I am." meaning your create yourself and the world around you just by thinking it into being.

He should have said, "I am, therefore, I think." taken literally, that would have eliminated the Existentialists and the Nihilists in one swell foop.

Since we got rid of Kings, oops, not Canada, and Popes, oops, not Italy and empowered the common man with the freedom of choice, the world has daily become a better place.

Hope springs eternal that you silly folks will one day wake up and smell the roses.

amicus...
 
How do you know I'm truly Canadian? Do you believe everything you read? Speaking of reading, if you'd like to know what I'm refering to when I speak of environmental abuse - pick up "Collapse" by Dr. Jared Diamond, (an American no less). Or hell, just visit the polar ice caps.
 
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