murderers

[rae121452]

i had an interesting conversation today. i've known murderers or victims of murderers repeatedly through my life, dating all the way back to the 70's. the person i was talking to said he had never met anyone (knowingly) who was either one. i can't believe that. i can list by decade who killed/get killed, all the way to the present and a serial killer.

i just assumed it was a common experience. am i living in some alternate reality?

 

[butters]

i don't know anyone who is/was either. that i know of. i mean, any of us could be work colleagues or neighbours of someone who has killed that we don't know about.

 

[neci]

do you live on the fringes of society?

have you ever worked a job that had you come into contact with people who were either frequently victimized or perpetrators of crimes?

did you grow up in a violent part of town or country with an abnormally high murder rate?

 

[BotanyBoy]

i had an interesting conversation today. i've known murderers or victims of murderers repeatedly through my life, dating all the way back to the 70's. the person i was talking to said he had never met anyone (knowingly) who was either one. i can't believe that. i can list by decade who killed/get killed, all the way to the present and a serial killer.

i just assumed it was a common experience. am i living in some alternate reality?

You're not....there just aren't a whole lot of us shit magnet types out there or on lit.

Some of us just live really violent (either directly or indirectly) lives...others hardly ever get exposed to it. And those people who don't tend to look at those who do like total fucking freaks.

We are a little off I guess.

It is kinda bizzare.....I know what you're talking about.

 

[pointless]

i've only met one person who was a murderer and i only learned he was a murderer after recognizing him on the news. even then i only remembered him because i had a couple weird encounters with him while working at a gas station because his name seemed familiar. dude had murdered his sister back in the 80's because he was sleeping with her and he didn't want his wife to find out. apparently it had been all over the news, but i was a kid so i had no idea.

i later realized it was because his name was similar to a dude i went to school with so pure coincidence. anyway, dude did not like being questioned about his name and the second time i said something he yelled at me and left in a huff.

and then the idiot cops finally made a case against him a few years later, so that's the end of that. anyway, if you ever want to murder someone and not get caught for several decades try holland, mi. cops there aren't that great, really.

 

[sharingfantasies]

Don't know any murderers or people that were murdered. Unless you call an idiot that didn't clear their windshield of snow properly and crashed into my uncle's car and killed him.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I have a fairly checkered past, and have never known anybody who was a murderer, at least as far as I know. I've only known one person, that I can recall, who was a murder victim.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

You're not....there just aren't a whole lot of us shit magnet types out there or on lit.

Some of us just live really violent (either directly or indirectly) lives...others hardly ever get exposed to it. And those people who don't tend to look at those who do like total fucking freaks.

We are a little off I guess.

It is kinda bizzare.....I know what you're talking about.

Yeah, this.


And there's also the international terrorist who lives in my head, but that's a topic for another day . . . .

 

[Salacious_B_Crumb]

I know people who have had family members murdered but I did not personally know them. To my knowledge I have never known a killer but they may have just been good at their job and kept it on the DL.

 

[turbulance]

I’ve known a few murderers. One was my barber.

 

[jaF0]

am i living in some alternate reality?

Yes.



I don't know of any that did the deed. I only know of one victim and that was a Deputy who failed to follow established protocol because he felt he knew better.



OP also appears to live in a reality devoid of upper case letters.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I’ve known a few murderers. One was my barber.

I had one of those, too, and another who was a The Word Which Must Never Be Uttered At Lit.


I'll do my own hair from here on out.


I think they teach barbarity in prison is why they go into cutting hair . . . .

 

[SpeareChucker]

We rented one of our houses to the family of a murderer...

:shrug:



It was just one of those too drunk at a bar sort of things.

 

[turbulance]

I had one of those, too, and another who was a The Word Which Must Never Be Uttered At Lit.


I'll do my own hair from here on out.


I think they teach barbarity in prison is why they go into cutting hair . . . .

Butchering and barbering are the two top prison training programs for murderers in Canada. The government teaches the most violent how to make an honest living with knives, flesh and blood.

I now have an Israeli barber. I think she thinks she’s a female Zohan.

 

[oO00Oo]

A guy I went to school with killed an Olympic swimmer (victor davis) and he is currently on trial for another murder.

 

[CandiCame]

i had an interesting conversation today. i've known murderers or victims of murderers repeatedly through my life, dating all the way back to the 70's. the person i was talking to said he had never met anyone (knowingly) who was either one. i can't believe that. i can list by decade who killed/get killed, all the way to the present and a serial killer.

i just assumed it was a common experience. am i living in some alternate reality?

#same, except I didn't grow up in the 70s. I think it's the area I'm from because other people are also weirded out by it and I learned to not bring it up. I think if you're from an area with a high murder rate you kinda get used to it but it's weird to people who aren't around that shit.

When I left the church I was attending, they had a chick who had killed her husband take over for me teaching Sunday school and that makes me mad as hell. Because like... come on, guys. Seriously?

I've watched a few people be murdered too, which is, I learned later, not super good for you, especially as a kid.

A lot of people on this board in particular apparently don't think this is common because before I learned not to casually mention it people would tell me I was lying. But like... yeah I know a lot of people who were killed or have killed people.

But I haven't!

And I have real shitty aim and am very physically weak so I probably couldn't if I tried. I've been in fights and shit but I've never killed anyone. I'm still alive, too, somehow, despite being in situation that could have killed me kind of a lot.

IDK man, life is weird. If the future ever seems dangerous and unpredictable that's because it is.

Edit: Oh, I couldn't list it by decade or anything like that though. I don't even know some of these folks's names. A couple of them were just people I 'kind of' knew, like neighbors and shit. I mean, I have lost people close to me and do know folks in and out of prison and whatnot, so I've been on both sides.

And I actually kinda want to segway into something with this. I do know like... a lot of folks in prison, and every so often I'll get a letter like, "Your X is in here with me, and I notice that they get mail. I haven't gotten any mail in 4 years. I'm so lonely. My whole family has abandoned me."

Guys... sometimes shit happens, and not everyone who was backed into a corner is fucking evil. So seriously if anyone has the time of inclination, if you can just sit down and send a fucking postcard, like just go onto the registry, get a name and send a postcard that just lets somebody know that someone out there knows they exist, it can mean so much. You don't even have to write anything. Sometimes I just draw a picture. They just get so happy that someone out there, for five fucking seconds, thought, "You're not an absolute monster. You matter."

If you look at the time they're serving and see somebody with more than ten years I guarantee most of them get almost nothing. That's when it starts to drop off. Lifers are more or less fucked for human contact. It's really sad.

And people who don't grow up in... I guess a culture of violence don't understand how easy that shit happens. Like I've come a hair of killing people before because it does just happen, so it's hard for me to judge people who have a damn good reason. If you fly mad and shoot your abusive husband in the head because he was legit gonna beat you to death, like the lady I mentioned earlier like... what the fuck else are you supposed to do?

But this actually all kind of- there was something that hit me really hard one time when I was like, maybe late teens. I was in college. I went with some friends to buy drugs, as you do, and it was some hard shit so the dude didn't want us in his house. It was a shitty apartment, so I gave the dude the money, then sat there and waited. And waited. And waited.

And it was taking too goddamn long, so I reached under the passenger seat and got my .22, went through all the safety checks, and as I was doing that, the other people in the car started flipping their shit.

I, hand to god, had no idea why. It did not occur to me that potentially killing these people over drugs was like... weird? At all? I can't even remember what it was, some party shit.

And like three people were trying to explain to me why I should not do that. And I kept trying to tell them that it was taking too long and I was just going to go up and talk to them, and I only needed it because sometimes shit happens and look how tiny I am, I need to defend myself-

And then I heard what I was saying. And I thought, "Normal people don't do shit like this. I am not a normal person." But I was like... I obviously hadn't gotten clean yet, that that thought continued, "Thank god, because these townies are gonna fuck around and get our money stolen."

And then I went up there and got my drugs.

It's just that years later, in rehab and in therapy I remembered that, because I remember having that thought. This was dangerous for them. This was not their Tuesday, you know? It's weird how sometimes shit just gets stuck in your head, but that got stuck in my head. I mean the whole reason I had guns on me and shit is because that was normal for me. Sometimes shit just happens and you have to defend yourself. That was like... a normal thought for me. It wasn't a big deal.

Idk, that's just kinda sad. But it is the world we live in.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The only murderer I've known directly or indirectly was here on Lit.

Ivan Denning Cales posted here on Lit as "IvanTheTerrible" and had post after post about wanting to kill his ex-wife. He never got around to it, but Ivan did manage to kill the woman who gave him a room to stay after he lost everything in his divorce.

He's now doing life in a New Mexico prison.

He had a crush on Funkenstein, if I recall correctly, which I presume was sufficient evidence of mental illness for him to avoid the death penalty.

 

[HisArpy]

You're not....there just aren't a whole lot of us shit magnet types out there or on lit.

Some of us just live really violent (either directly or indirectly) lives...others hardly ever get exposed to it. And those people who don't tend to look at those who do like total fucking freaks.

We are a little off I guess.

It is kinda bizzare.....I know what you're talking about.

This.

I think it depends on how close to the razors edge you live/work/play. Some people take very little risk in their lives and have no idea how violent some members of society really are.

For others, it's just part of the daily routine.

 

[CandiCame]

This.

I think it depends on how close to the razors edge you live/work/play. Some people take very little risk in their lives and have no idea how violent some members of society really are.

For others, it's just part of the daily routine.

I mean... it's not about taking risks.

You can be sitting on your ass playing Final Fantasy 7 and sometimes shit just happens. This mindset bothers me.

When I was little, for a little while I lived with my mom in some shitty apartment complex and a lady killed a dude outside, and because all the apartments were kind of in a circle we all were like, "huh, that's a lot of screaming and shit."

So you go to the window and you're just like, "Oh she is beatin his ass. Oh, he ain't moving."

And then somebody calls the cops and it's this whole big thing.

Like there's nothing you can do to avoid that. Violence doesn't come from taking risks. Sometimes shit just happens.

An old lady who lives down the road from me got killed a few years ago while she was sitting in her house minding her own business. A couple guys broke in on her.

I have a friend who died because somebody came into the gas station he worked at and got trigger happy, even though the security footage showed that he gave them the money and did everything they said.

I know another guy who got shot in the back of the head when he went to pick up his kid from his mom's house.

Two folks I know got killed in a school shooting- because they went to school.

It's not about whether or not you take risks or "live on the edge" or whatever. I spend the vast majority of my life sitting on my ass playing video games or some other nerd shit.

This shit just happens. It's just how life is.

My ex- I've talked about this before, got shot in the head because his wife's ex boyfriend got out of jail, several years after anybody had heard from him, and killed them both. That dude was a fucking Jehova's witnessed who thought me smoking weed was dangerous, who had never had a birthday party, who lived his life as if he had been a randomly generated NPC in a game exclusively about personal finance accountants from the suburbs.

Shit just happens.

Another dude was driving home from church on his motorcycle and a cop just completely ran over him, ran him off the road and then ran over him with a car, for no apparent reason. Went onto his side of the road to do it, so it's not some kind of unfortunate accident. That guy had six kids and his woman sued the SHIT of the state troopers so they should be fine. Bitch is driving around in a brand new van, buying new trailers and all kinds of stupid shit, and I'm looking at her like, "Hey why don't you go buy yourself some fucking teeth" because she, hand to god, has like 4 teeth total.

A lot of the people I'm telling you about are kin to me, and I don't want to get doxxed so I won't tell you which one, but I felt real bad about him because his mommy had been through hell. She had I think like 7 kids and there are 2 alive now. And that just... that's real fucked up to me. I hate that. And she's the kindest person on the planet. Not all of her kids were killed horribly and violently like that, but they did die and it did suck. I know another one of them had cancer and it went on for-EVER. He had like a million surgeries- it was some kind of renal failure cancer, like intestinal or something and he had to have one of those bags, colostomy bags, and idk I just felt real bad for K because she was always so good to me and my brothers.

She's actually dead now too, but she also wasn't murdered she was just like 100 years old. Like she was literally in her 90s. I went to see her in hospice with my mom, because she just was a really sweet old lady who sure as fuck didn't deserve the shit heaped on her- and we happened to show up AS SHE WAS DYING. No fucking clue. Like we just went out of the blue, got there and there were all those pies and chicken and shit in her room, you know how people bring food to the family to sit up with the dead? And I smelled that food and I was like, "We are not close enough to be here. We need to fucking leave. This is kids and grandbaby time."

So I had to rush my mom out because I guess she has no sense of decency. But Jesus Christ let's not stand here and watch somebody else's granny die like what the fuck that's so rude.

I know at least two of her kids were murdered though. Her other son, though it was kind of dangerous, I guess? It was another drug deal gone bad. He was out all over town owing people money so honestly it's one of those things where you knew it was gonna happen for like six months.

Death happens to everyone. It doesn't matter how careful you are.

That's not to say that you shouldn't be careful. You absolutely should know your environment and try not to die, and I do get REALLY annoyed at people who can't do that HARPY "Go to strange places with strangers for hookups".

But you can't prevent everything.

When my brother called to tell me that he was locked in the gym locker room because there was a shooter at his school, there wasn't a goddamn thing he or I could do about it. The only thing I could think to do- and I did drive over there to get him, but the cops wouldn't let anybody in- was tell him that if he could get to the drama room, to the theater, the door that comes out backstage doesn't go into lockdown, if it still works like it did when I went there, because was part of the group of theater gays who broke it so we could go out and smoke. And also not die because that was in the late 2000s and we did have like a school shooting a week at the time.

I think that also might be part of it, it might be generational. Hate crimes and mass shootings are decently common for my generation, to the point that not all of them even make the news anymore. So we just might be more likely to have seen that shit. I don't know if that's true or not, it is just massively weird to me that there are people out here blaming survivors because they lived dangerously or whatever.

Because a lot of the time you really just do into a store to buy a bag of Doritos while it's being robbed or whatever.

And this works the other way, too. A lot of the kids I see who are court-ordered to come in for violent crimes are, you know, FUCKING CHILDREN who can't control their circumstances, just like I was. There's no conceivable way that the violence they purported can conceivably be because they put THEMSELVES in danger. A kid can't help it if their parents are methheads, or if they're sold into trafficking rings and do what they have to do to keep themselves alive.

It's usually not bad decisions, it's usually just that the world is a shitty place. And like I said, death is commonplace, so there's no way to avoid it forever. Some folks just get lucky, and they need to be thankful for that instead of acting like people are somehow bringing it upon themselves.

Everyone dances with the reaper.

 

[WiserSoutherner]

I find this thread really interesting. I grew up relatively protected so I was not exposed to much, but I did have a friend's dad kill her mother when we were in high school. Also a student in my high school killed a teacher.

Now I am around these folks a good deal. I do criminal defense work so I regularly represent folks charged with serious offenses. I know that there are some bad folks out there, but a lot of folks just do something stupid. I recognize killing someone goes to a completely different level.

There are a lot of folks out there charged with murder because the prosecutor wants them to plea to a lesser charge, even if then never meant to kill the victim. Of course the prosecution has tons of resources and almost all defendants do not.

Long story short, I represented a kid who got into a fight after school. Scrawny kid who landed one punch to the back of the head. The doctor testified it was like a 1 in 10 million shot. He wound up being tried as an adult and is doing life in prison. He's been in custody longer than he was alive before the incident.

So many situations just don't fit in the neat boxes people - and the media - want.

 

[rae121452]

do you live on the fringes of society?

have you ever worked a job that had you come into contact with people who were either frequently victimized or perpetrators of crimes?

did you grow up in a violent part of town or country with an abnormally high murder rate?

yes to all of the above. i've always been a fringe dweller. i'm not sure that's the reason, though. people i've known just casually and were miss wholesome have wound up murdered, even an ex-nun that i knew. i thought it was just a part of modern society until the other day and after reading these responses.


now, i wonder if a certain alignment of the stars will lead to me being a victim.

 

[CandiCame]

yes to all of the above. i've always been a fringe dweller. i'm not sure that's the reason, though. people i've known just casually and were miss wholesome have wound up murdered, even an ex-nun that i knew. i thought it was just a part of modern society until the other day and after reading these responses.

It is just part of living. Some people out there just get really, really lucky.

 

[RocketLauncher]

A guy I went to school with killed an Olympic swimmer (victor davis) and he is currently on trial for another murder.

To be fair Davis was in the middle of the road chirping him when the guy ran him over and fled the scene.
What did the cowardly fuck do now?

A friend of mine got shot in cold blood by trigger happy cops. He suffered from Crohn's disease. They gave him oral pain meds but the kicker is he didn't really have a digestive system so his body couldn't absorb the pain meds that he got addicted to in hospital as a child. Went to emergency to try to get liquid pain meds. He was in extreme pain flailing around with a pair of scissors that the nurse gave him when he accidentally cut someone. He weighed 90lbs, in pain, with a colostomy bag armed with a pair of scissors so, you know what are two 200+ lbs cops gonna do? Use pepper spray? A baton? Taser? Nah, they unloaded 3 bullets in the poor kid.

Is knowingly infecting someone with AIDS considered murder? Then make that 3 people if your moral compass points in that direction.

Make that 4, friend got a hot shot.
Sorry 5, cutest little gay got got pushed off a parkade building for confessing to a skinhead he had a crush on him.

 

[oO00Oo]

To be fair Davis was in the middle of the road chirping him when the guy ran him over and fled the scene.
What did the cowardly fuck do now?

A friend of mine got shot in cold blood by trigger happy cops. He suffered from Crohn's disease. They gave him oral pain meds but the kicker is he didn't really have a digestive system so his body couldn't absorb the pain meds that he got addicted to in hospital as a child. Went to emergency to try to get liquid pain meds. He was in extreme pain flailing around with a pair of scissors that the nurse gave him when he accidentally cut someone. He weighed 90lbs, in pain, with a colostomy bag armed with a pair of scissors so, you know what are two 200+ lbs cops gonna do? Use pepper spray? A baton? Taser? Nah, they unloaded 3 bullets in the poor kid.

Is knowingly infecting someone with AIDS considered murder? Then make that 3 people if your moral compass points in that direction.

Make that 4, friend got a hot shot.
Sorry 5, cutest little gay got got pushed off a parkade building for confessing to a skinhead he had a crush on him.

He punched out some old dude in a LaSalle bar and he died.

 

[RocketLauncher]

He punched out some old dude in a LaSalle bar and he died.

Sounds like the little fuck needs some anger management courses.

ETA Or at least go face to face with someone of his own calibre, no hiding behind 2 tonnes of metal or picking on the elderly.