Mouths filled with outrage, minds devoid of solutions.

[Chobham]

Taking off from a post by dribble in another thread.

"The motherfuck once took a knife to his own face and cut the shit out of it "just for fun". Every red flag possible was there, yet he was allowed to buy 2 ARs and a set of body armor. Now tell me Republicans...how does this make any sense? That's right...it doesn't. And yet putting in means to prevent people like this from owning guns....that's wrong. Fuck you pieces of shit."

Let's start with it's not a republican/democrat issue, it's the Constitution and that isn't going to change in several lifetimes.

But dribble asks a serious question, "How does a nut job like this monster come by firearms legally?" All the signs were there, so why?

Changing the Constitution is off the table. Depriving an individual that has committed no crime of their Constitutional rights is off the table as well.

So what's the solution? I'll listen and play devil's advocate.

 

[ll74]

No right in the Constitution is absolute. You don't need to change it.

Case in point

https://twitter.com/x/status/1529475258092163072

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Your mouth is full of box wine, Ishtard.

 

[jaF0]

Depriving an individual that has committed no crime of their Constitutional rights is off the table as well.

Then why does the GQP and their court lackeys keep trying to take voting rights away?

 

[Chobham]

No right in the Constitution is absolute. You don't need to change it.

Case in point

https://twitter.com/x/status/1529475258092163072

Think about that for a while.

The elected and financial elites are protected by men with guns while our children are protected by signs that say, "Gun Free Zone" and when the shit hits the fan the school officials call for men with guns.

Lunacy.

 

[ll74]

Think about that for a while.

The elected and financial elites are protected by men with guns while our children are protected by signs that say, "Gun Free Zone" and when the shit hits the fan the school officials call for men with guns.

Lunacy.

My point is that the right to have a gun is not absolute. So saying you need to adhere to some right that we have no control over is wrong.

1. Age of ownership > 21
2. Training and certification required
3. Laws of gun violence apply equally to those who allowed access to guns, if applicable

Just a few thoughts. The number of guns it truly the issue...people are irresponsible and lose them. Having some sort of task force meant to find and retrieve stolen or lost guns would be good as well

 

[Chobham]

My point is that the right to have a gun is not absolute. So saying you need to adhere to some right that we have no control over is wrong.

1. Age of ownership > 21
2. Training and certification required
3. Laws of gun violence apply equally to those who allowed access to guns, if applicable

Just a few thoughts. The number of guns it truly the issue...people are irresponsible and lose them. Having some sort of task force meant to find and retrieve stolen or lost guns would be good as well

RE. You're point. You're right, convicted felons, aliens, and minors are denied that right.

One is a non-starter. If you can vote and/or serve in the military then you are a citizen with all rights and protections.

Two is also a non-starter. If that is allowed then how far behind are restrictions on free speech, religion, etc?

Three IS the law in many states. But that to is problematic. If someone is legally allowed to have access then what? You threw in 'if applicable' and therein lies the fly in the ointment.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

RE. You're point. You're right, convicted felons, aliens, and minors are denied that right.

One is a non-starter. If you can vote and/or serve in the military then you are a citizen with all rights and protections.

Two is also a non-starter. If that is allowed then how far behind are restrictions on free speech, religion, etc?

Three IS the law in many states. But that to is problematic. If someone is legally allowed to have access then what? You threw in 'if applicable' and therein lies the fly in the ointment.

Free speech already has limits. You fail to understand the fact that no right is unlimited. Until you remove your ignorance you position is a major fail.

 

[ll74]

RE. You're point. You're right, convicted felons, aliens, and minors are denied that right.

One is a non-starter. If you can vote and/or serve in the military then you are a citizen with all rights and protections.

Two is also a non-starter. If that is allowed then how far behind are restrictions on free speech, religion, etc?

Three IS the law in many states. But that to is problematic. If someone is legally allowed to have access then what? You threw in 'if applicable' and therein lies the fly in the ointment.

1. Rights are not absolute
2. Religion and guns and free speech are not equal
3. If someone can't safeguard their weapon, and someone gets a hold of it, they should be held accountable

 

[Chobham]

1. Rights are not absolute
2. Religion and guns and free speech are not equal
3. If someone can't safeguard their weapon, and someone gets a hold of it, they should be held accountable

1. With rare exceptions they ARE!

2. So the 2nd is some sort of subservient amendment. Are they ordered thus? The higher the number the less important? You're not that stupid, quit acting like you are.\

3. So if someone breaks into my house, steals my firearms, and then commits a crime with said firearms I'm responsible? Who decides the level of safeguards required?

 

[Chobham]

Think about it.

 

[jaF0]

Shaddup AJChucker

 

[KeithD]

The U.S. House has passed several "solution" bills on gun control. The Republicans in the U.S. Senate are blocking them all. This isn't a case of no offered solutions, along a whole range. It's a case of rotten Republicans who only respect the rights of the unborn and are owned by the NRA.

 

[ishtat]

The U.S. House has passed several "solution" bills on gun control. The Republicans in the U.S. Senate are blocking them all. This isn't a case of no offered solutions, along a whole range.

In the wake of Sandy Hook, 4 separate pieces of fairly mild legislation were proposed in the House. The GOP Senate rejected all of them, even the one proposed by Joe Manchin and co-sponsored by a Republican. Just one of those bills, the one requiring a Mental health check would have prevented this killer acquiring guns. At Sandy Hook the families came from middling socio-economic backgrounds; in Texas the victims were Latinos; as such neither are of any consequence.

Nothing will be done until a killer conducts a suitably effective slaughter at a private school for the education of wealthy privileged children, the children of the GOP elite.

 

[Dribble]

Being insane and being allowed to own weapons capable of mass murder is not in the Constitution. Owning body armor is not in the Constitution.

Your solution...do nothing.

My solutions...has the potential to prevent these types of events.

No other country in the world has this kind of violence with this frequency. You don't care. I care

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Then why does the GQP and their court lackeys keep trying to take voting rights away?

Yeah, how did that claim work in Georgia where the new law was going to suppress all those votes.

The actual result have not measured up to your stupid and hysterical claims.

Your brand is "Fear and Disinformation."
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Think about that for a while.

The elected and financial elites are protected by men with guns while our children are protected by signs that say, "Gun Free Zone" and when the shit hits the fan the school officials call for men with guns.

Lunacy.

Well said.

It is a NIMBY-like do as we say, not as we do hypocrisy.
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

The U.S. House has passed several "solution" bills on gun control. The Republicans in the U.S. Senate are blocking them all. This isn't a case of no offered solutions, along a whole range. It's a case of rotten Republicans who only respect the rights of the unborn and are owed by the NRA.

If gun control legislation is the answer, why is every week in Chicago the equivalent of a mass shooting?
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Being insane and being allowed to own weapons capable of mass murder is not in the Constitution. Owning body armor is not in the Constitution.

Your solution...do nothing.

My solutions...has the potential to prevent these types of events.

No other country in the world has this kind of violence with this frequency. You don't care. I care

No.

Our solutions involve tackling the actual problems.

One is the paucity of mental health infrastructure, much of which has been dismantled by the Left.

Another is maybe to revisit the ideas and concerns of Tipper Gore which were rejected because, you know

~~~ Free Speech ~~~


It's not just the celebration of cultural art such as the violence, misogyny and anti- culturism of rap music,
but the violence of Hollywood, the body counts of network television, the first-shooter reality games.

Then there is a revolving door for criminals, the welfare state that broke up the family, an economy
that forces both parents (if there are two parents as just mentioned) to work, and an insane border policy
that allows illegal entry to separate families.

But by all means, let's go for the knee-jerk easy answer: GUN CONTROL!!!

It's not the Right that is focused on guns, it's the insane, non-critical thinking Left...
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[Dribble]

One more example of why this country needs to break up. We control 85% of the GDP. Think on that....the majority of this country's GDP comes from a small number of Democrat runned states. Once we leave...we get more...for less...because the money we pay in taxes will stay in our new country. Fuck those states that think there is nothing that can be done to prevent school murders

 

[icanhelp1]

If gun control legislation is the answer, why is every week in Chicago the equivalent of a mass shooting?
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

These idiots just cherry pick the facts. The Virginia tech shooter used a p-22 and a Glock-19 and killed 33 people. If a dark heart wants to kill they will find a way.

 

[icanhelp1]

Then why does the GQP and their court lackeys keep trying to take voting rights away?

You’re a special kind of stupid.

 

[ll74]

1. With rare exceptions they ARE!

2. So the 2nd is some sort of subservient amendment. Are they ordered thus? The higher the number the less important? You're not that stupid, quit acting like you are.\

3. So if someone breaks into my house, steals my firearms, and then commits a crime with said firearms I'm responsible? Who decides the level of safeguards required?

1. Yep, and multiple mass shootings require one here
2. The second is the only one which results in other people losing all of their rights due to abuse. So yes, it's a bit unique in that respect
3. You left out where I said, "if applicable"

 

[ll74]

These idiots just cherry pick the facts. The Virginia tech shooter used a p-22 and a Glock-19 and killed 33 people. If a dark heart wants to kill they will find a way.

Yes, we can't do anything about it because everyone should have a gun is a good response to dead children.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

One more example of why this country needs to break up. We control 85% of the GDP. Think on that....the majority of this country's GDP comes from a small number of Democrat runned states. Once we leave...we get more...for less...because the money we pay in taxes will stay in our new country. Fuck those states that think there is nothing that can be done to prevent school murders

Good luck getting us to ship you food instead of sending it overseas...

Do you have an explanation for why Democrat Chicago with its stringent gun laws
kills more black men on a monthly basis than any mass shooting to date?

Is that really the world of your separatist vision?
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).