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[JackLuis]

Someone stole naked pictures of me. This is what I did about it – video

Four years ago, intimate photographs of Danish journalist Emma Holten were posted on the web. Thousands viewed them and she still receives online harassment. The issues of revenge porn and hacked photos are part of a larger problem with our relationship to consent, she argues. So Holten decided to pose for and release a new set of pictures of her body. Here she explains why

The question is, consent or non-consent?

This will warm up New England.

 

[Handley_Page]

Frankly, I think that a 'certificate of release' might be a good idea (like the model release form for still photography). The guilty hacker should suffer for his crime!.

 

[oggbashan]

Good for her.

She is right. There is a real difference between nudity by consent and theft of your private pictures.

In the UK, those who stole her pictures could be prosecuted.

 

[Handley_Page]

Good for her.

She is right. There is a real difference between nudity by consent and theft of your private pictures.

In the UK, those who stole her pictures could be prosecuted.

I have trouble with the curmudgeonly 'it's your fault' attitude and the insulting remarks. I suspect it is more the insult than the theft that hurts.
If all those sending her a message had said "very nice" or similar, she might not have felt so insulted.

 

[ross22]

If people, mostly men stopped feeding into this type of crime by forwarding, and distribution this nonsense would stop. It's so very sad that we (men) this is a game and no one gets hurt. What if this was your wife or sister.

Thank you for having the courage to make this video

 

[shutterpsb]

I have trouble with the curmudgeonly 'it's your fault' attitude and the insulting remarks. I suspect it is more the insult than the theft that hurts.
If all those sending her a message had said "very nice" or similar, she might not have felt so insulted.

I agree. She's a lovely young woman, but consent or the lack there of, is what it's all about.

 

[lovecraft68]

Big story about this going on involving a case in California.

The guy had a web site "you got posted" where ex boyfriends/husbands posted nude pics and videos of women

The guy then would charge the women $350 to pull the pics when they found out about them

he is being charged with extortion as well as the new revenge porn laws he is going to do some time.

Some of the women said they lost their jobs over this and all other types of bs.

Now to me as HP said, all sites like Redtube and their ilk should ask for some type of consent form as part of their upload process.

Now of course people will lie, but then tey can add that to the charges.

What would fix this? Taking the assholes who upload the pics and branding them as sex offenders. After all they posted pornographic pictures without the subjects consent, didn't they?

They are doing that with "sexting" in some states so why not add this.

Being branded a sex offender will haunt you for life, just like pictures on the net so to me its the providers of the pictures that should be charged as much as if not more than any site showing them

 

[Mister_Chris]

Sex offender title for OP

Agree with the 'sex offender' notion, with one exception.

'sex offender' label should be reserved for the original poster.

Many picture files containing several hundred images each are available for download through websites like rarbg, pirate bay, et al. The downloader would have no way of knowing that some images were revenge porn; and it is the nature of BitTorrent files that the downloading process also involves uploading, thus automatically making the downloader an unwitting distributor.

In theory, if we sprinkled a few revenge porn images into standard amateur photo files, we could probably put 95% of the male population behind bars. (And the remaining 5% would be a really weird crowd.)

But for the original poster... the person who posted intimate images or video with a desire to hurt, shame, ridicule or extort money from another person...

No mercy.
>MC

PS - Google now includes a 'relevancy' filter as part of their search engine; newer stuff is more heavily weighted, so older stuff tends to disappear into page umpteen bajillion. Yes, the internet is forever - but that doesn't mean that stuff from ten years ago will be constantly thrust into the limelight. At least, not by Google. It's small consolation for the revenge porn victims, but... it's real.

 

[oggbashan]

Emma Holten's ordeal made me think what my reaction would be if someone did that to one of my daughters.

I'd want to castrate the thief.

But if she was one of my daughters, her reaction would make me very proud of her.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The meaning of anything is the outcome you get. I say it all the time. It cuts thru all the mystery and spin. If celebrity is what you want youll find a way to get it.

 

[R. Richard]

Hey! Wait a minute. She stole the idea from my story Involuntary Nude. The gall!

 

[DreamCloud]

Bold response. I am impressed.

She should now sue the illegal posting sites for loss of modeling income.

 

[Handley_Page]

Big story about this going on involving a case in California.

The guy had a web site "you got posted" where ex boyfriends/husbands posted nude pics and videos of women

The guy then would charge the women $350 to pull the pics when they found out about them; he is being charged with extortion as well as the new revenge porn laws he is going to do some time.

Some of the women said they lost their jobs over this and all other types of bs.
Now to me as HP said, all sites like Redtube and their ilk should ask for some type of consent form as part of their upload process.
Now of course people will lie, but then tey can add that to the charges.
What would fix this? Taking the assholes who upload the pics and branding them as sex offenders. After all they posted pornographic pictures without the subjects consent, didn't they?

They are doing that with "sexting" in some states so why not add this.

Being branded a sex offender will haunt you for life, just like pictures on the net so to me its the providers of the pictures that should be charged as much as if not more than any site showing them

Is it THIS ONE ?
Talk about a slapped wrist. . . .

 

[lovecraft68]

Is it THIS ONE ?
Talk about a slapped wrist. . . .

NO that d-bag is from Colorado and has a different website the story I was referring to is California and he is going to get the rails put to him because the prosecutor out there (A woman) is trying to make a serious example of him.

I wonder with the article you linked which is outraged at him getting no punishment will lead to a revisiting of the case?

I still think these people should be branded as sex offenders, distributing pornography without consent can be considered a sex crime.

Let some of these guys get that label stuck on them for the rest of their lives and the rest will hesitate.

But...there is such a thing as Karma and this guys name is now plastered all over the internet and...well something may just happen to him.

 

[Handley_Page]

NO that d-bag is from Colorado and has a different website the story I was referring to is California and he is going to get the rails put to him because the prosecutor out there (A woman) is trying to make a serious example of him.

I wonder with the article you linked which is outraged at him getting no punishment will lead to a revisiting of the case?

I still think these people should be branded as sex offenders, distributing pornography without consent can be considered a sex crime.

Let some of these guys get that label stuck on them for the rest of their lives and the rest will hesitate.

But...there is such a thing as Karma and this guys name is now plastered all over the internet and...well something may just happen to him.

I had "intrusive invasion of privacy" in mind, and I think if someone lost a job because of it, he should compensate the sufferer.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

If people, mostly men stopped feeding into this type of crime by forwarding, and distribution this nonsense would stop./QUOTE]

This will never happen. "Check out this hottie" is the reason there is an internet at all. The only possible way to shut this kind of thing down is to find the original source of leaked photos and hit them with such massive financial penalties that people are afraid to post anything not theirs, ever again.

But once a hot picture IS posted anywhere public, it goes worldwide in a matter of seconds to a minute or two (not an exaggeration) and there will never be a way to stop that. A picture of pretty female you don't know is a sex object to the male mind, not a representational symbol of a person with feelings. Even if it was otherwise, a picture can't tell you if it was deliberately given out or stolen.

A musician of some local fame plays under a pseudonym. She's fairly cute. At one point someone posted an interview that gave her real name. She tried VERY hard to expunge all reference to it from the internet. I recently found her real name in 3 minutes of casual searching. Once something is out there it is out there forever, which is why you NEVER reveal something on the 'net you don't want the world to know.

 

[JawnKarTurr]

I agree with her completely though I don't see all the behavior clearly linked, but consent is an important part. Despite several relationships ending badly (not all by any means) I've always deleted pictures of the women that were sent to me. Perhaps they didn't think it out or it was a loving/lustful expression to me and for us to share. I never felt I owned the pictures, and if these women wanted to share them they certainly could without my help. I've known women here on Lit, and so post their pics publicly while others have emailed me ones.

It's up to us as men to behave responsibly. When I do look at smut I never like seeing pictures where someone was spied on, and I don't like the idea of revenge. I frankly don't understand why this journalist didn't go after the company legally especially after their email. She didn't give a release and they're making money.

In one article in Maxim some time back they wrote about companies filming "real college girls" and most of the women who filmed videos regretted and once they signed paperwork (some implied they were manipulated into it) they couldn't do anything. Another man running a site said he tried to talk girls out of it, and made things clear about how it was life changing. Only then did he agree to move forward. Bottom line though few people are sane or reasonable when they have what they want.



So for my part I'd say stealing is wrong even if it's hacking, and if you're in a relationship and you receive a lovely intimate gift be the better man and hit delete and move on when the relationship ends. I still have some shared images, but they won't be distributed by me.

Unless it's a clear yes or a release has been signed you don't have the right to do anything. I liked this woman's photos very much, and applaud her stand. She didn't do anything wrong, and should feel that way. It's like blaming a person for having nude art photos of themselves in their locked house and they're stolen. Don't tell them it's their fault when they're posted around town.