More proof that feminists encourage rape culture in defense of female rapists

[LJ_Reloaded]

https://www.researchgate.net/public...men_Federal_Data_Reveal_Surprising_Prevalence

Perhaps even more troubling than misperceptions concerning female
perpetration among the general population are misperceptions
held by professionals responsible for addressing the problem. Female
perpetration is downplayed by those in fields such as mental health, social
work, public health, and law, as a range of scholars have demonstrated
(Denov, 2001; Saradjian, 1996; Mendel, 1995). Stereotypical
understandings of women as sexually harmless can allow professionals
to create a “culture of denial” that fails to recognize the seriousness of
the abuse (Hetherton, 1999).

Some feminist organizations have asserted that attention to female
perpetration risks derailing the hard-fought battle to assert that sexual
victimization is about the exercise of male power (Hetherton, 1999).
Others favorably note that professional responses, in particular law enforcement sanctions that “go easy” on female perpetrators appropriately
advantage troubled women. In contrast, some argue that this
advantage comes at a price (Denov, 2003b), and it's a price that all
women and men pay, in the form of reinforcing regressive stereotypes
about sex and gender.

Piles and piles of government studies show that the only true rape culture is that which minimizes the issue of female rapists.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

LOL this is so bad even Richard Faily can't even come to these rapists' defense.

 

[Oblimo]

Speaking as a male survivor of a female rapist who has spoken about it to card-carrying feminists, your quotes are full of shit.

 

[Oblimo]

Female-on-male rape is real (trust me), and there is stigma about reporting it.

It is also, compared to male-on-female rape, really fucking rare. That’s why male-on-female requires more societal resources to be effectively addressed.

That’s the reason for the apparent disparity.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Speaking as a male survivor of a female rapist who has spoken about it to card-carrying feminists, your quotes are full of shit.

They're backed up by legions of studies, as the PDF link shows. It's incumbent upon you to show that those studies are wrong. You know, with links to studies of your own.

 

[Oblimo]

They're backed up by legions of studies, as the PDF link shows. It's incumbent upon you to show that those studies are wrong. You know, with links to studies of your own.

I'm talking about feminists attitudes toward sexual assault perpetrated by women against men. I have talked to feminists and psychiatric professionals about it, and about the assault perpetrated on me in particular. They did not have the attitudes your quotes claim they have. That's the point I am making. It's anecdotal, but I think my experience counts for something.

As for the paper you link to, it looks very interesting, and I will have to take time and care reading it. It was published back in 2016, so hopefully there's some supporting/countering commentary out there for me to review.

The authors right up front admit that "no clinical studies involving
large numbers of female sexual perpetrators exist," which I think would mean any conclusions the authors try to draw would risk being bunk.

But then they say, "The last decade has, however, seen a notable uptick in
other empirical research on female sexual perpetration." And it looks like they go on to use data about incarcerated populations and other sources. I'm curious to see how they control for the unique circumstances of prison that I would think skew their findings.

But I haven't really read the damn thing yet, and then I need read any follow-up material.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I'm talking about feminists attitudes toward sexual assault perpetrated by women against men. I have talked to feminists and psychiatric professionals about it, and about the assault perpetrated on me in particular. They did not have the attitudes your quotes claim they have. That's the point I am making. It's anecdotal, but I think my experience counts for something.

Ever heard of Mary P Koss? She's a feminist and she says men cannot be raped.

The problem with "NAFALT" is that feminists who are not the deplorable type never call out the ones who are.

The authors right up front admit that "no clinical studies involving
large numbers of female sexual perpetrators exist," which I think would mean any conclusions the authors try to draw would risk being bunk.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/30155267/college-women-rape-college-men-but-few-men-tell

 

[KimGordon67]

https://www.researchgate.net/public...men_Federal_Data_Reveal_Surprising_Prevalence




Piles and piles of government studies show that the only true rape culture is that which minimizes the issue of female rapists.

You know that the lead author on that paper is a feminist, eh? So it would appear that feminists also advocate for the recognition of the actual prevalence of female-instigated sexual violence.

Hmmmm ... could it be that not all feminists are the same? Could it be that the extremely broad church known as 'feminism' encompasses a whole range of perspectives on various things, which are sometimes completely at odds with each other?

 

[TeflonGuy]

These political threads confuse the hell out of me.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

You know that the lead author on that paper is a feminist, eh? So it would appear that feminists also advocate for the recognition of the actual prevalence of female-instigated sexual violence.

Hmmmm ... could it be that not all feminists are the same? Could it be that the extremely broad church known as 'feminism' encompasses a whole range of perspectives on various things, which are sometimes completely at odds with each other?

Ah, I love the NAFALT argument. The problem with it is that the feminists who are not like that aren't taking issue with the feminists who are like that.

Pandys.org talks about how rape is reported in at least 30 percent of lesbian relationships, but do you hear that in the mainstream feminist media, either? Nope.....

 

[KimGordon67]

Ah, I love the NAFALT argument. The problem with it is that the feminists who are not like that aren't taking issue with the feminists who are like that.

Pandys.org talks about how rape is reported in at least 30 percent of lesbian relationships, but do you hear that in the mainstream feminist media, either? Nope.....

But the second quote in your OP, which I assume is from the article, appears to be indicating that some feminist approaches to sexual assault are part of the issue ... you know, the article written by a feminist? In fact, the author of the article (again, a feminist) is cited elsewhere as specifically stating female sexual assault IS a feminist issue. (source)

Elsewhere you've referred to the plight of Ansari - again, it was largely feminists who pointed to the problematic nature of that particular incident and the way it was reported. In fact, most of the debate I saw happen around that was between feminists.

Elsehwere you've said 'not one feminist will argue against the 'women and children' first concept ... and then some did. I didn't in that thread, because I couldn't be arsed stating the obvious, but here I am, a feminist, saying I don't agree with that - children first, definitely, but not women.

Whatever argument you make about 'feminism', you'll always find one feminist somewhere who'll 'prove' your point, just because the sheer numbers of feminists means there's a huge diversity of perspectives. Germaine Greer would be a case in point (although I think there's plans to have her membership revoked). You really need to just pay attention to the issues, and stop blaming 'feminism' for everything. It's notable that in the time we've been arguing this stupid point, you've switched from 'feminism' to 'mainstream feminism', but you're still just poking at straw feminists.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

But the second quote in your OP, which I assume is from the article, appears to be indicating that some feminist approaches to sexual assault are part of the issue ... you know, the article written by a feminist? In fact, the author of the article (again, a feminist) is cited elsewhere as specifically stating female sexual assault IS a feminist issue. (source)

Elsewhere you've referred to the plight of Ansari - again, it was largely feminists who pointed to the problematic nature of that particular incident and the way it was reported. In fact, most of the debate I saw happen around that was between feminists.

Elsehwere you've said 'not one feminist will argue against the 'women and children' first concept ... and then some did. I didn't in that thread, because I couldn't be arsed stating the obvious, but here I am, a feminist, saying I don't agree with that - children first, definitely, but not women.

Whatever argument you make about 'feminism', you'll always find one feminist somewhere who'll 'prove' your point, just because the sheer numbers of feminists means there's a huge diversity of perspectives. Germaine Greer would be a case in point (although I think there's plans to have her membership revoked). You really need to just pay attention to the issues, and stop blaming 'feminism' for everything. It's notable that in the time we've been arguing this stupid point, you've switched from 'feminism' to 'mainstream feminism', but you're still just poking at straw feminists.

Wait, what feminist argued against "women and children first"?

As for feminism, perhaps you haven't gotten the point that MAINSTREAM FEMINISM is the default definition of the feminism I have a problem with?

 

[KimGordon67]

Wait, what feminist argued against "women and children first"?

As for feminism, perhaps you haven't gotten the point that MAINSTREAM FEMINISM is the default definition of the feminism I have a problem with?

I don't even know what 'mainstream feminism' means - you're literally the only person I ever see/hear using that term.

 

[AlliaPotestas]

https://www.researchgate.net/public...men_Federal_Data_Reveal_Surprising_Prevalence




Piles and piles of government studies show that the only true rape culture is that which minimizes the issue of female rapists.

I genuinely wish I could soothe your angry soul, anger eats you up like a cancer, and it’s a fucking tradgey because it’s such a beautiful world. I have survived rape, more than once, I can’t hate every man because of it - it’s ridiculously unfair and I would miss out on some astonishing people. Learn to let go, for your sake at least, xx

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

I genuinely wish I could soothe your angry soul, anger eats you up like a cancer, and it’s a fucking tradgey because it’s such a beautiful world. I have survived rape, more than once, I can’t hate every man because of it - it’s ridiculously unfair and I would miss out on some astonishing people. Learn to let go, for your sake at least, xx

I'm sincerely sorry for the hurt and anger you've suffered.

Beware though, once Rob and his boys see this they will troll and stalk you forever.

 

[AlliaPotestas]

I'm sincerely sorry for the hurt and anger you've suffered.

Beware though, once Rob and his boys see this they will troll and stalk you forever.

That’s ok - I’ve been looking for an excuse to ditch lit, I might as well go out saying something that matters, xx

 

[SoulAssasin247]

I hope you guys are joking, because if you're not joking, you're some weak minded men. I don't agree with the feminist agenda, but c'mon now. We're men, we're supposed to be strong physically and mentally, I don't want to hear this bs, first of all most men don't need to be forced to fuck, if it's real the numbers are so low, stop crying and act like a man.

 

[AlliaPotestas]

I hope you guys are joking, because if you're not joking, you're some weak minded men. I don't agree with the feminist agenda, but c'mon now. We're men, we're supposed to be strong physically and mentally, I don't want to hear this bs, first of all most men don't need to be forced to fuck, if it's real the numbers are so low, stop crying and act like a man.

The numbers are low, but it is real and male victims deserve every inch of support and sympathy given to female victims. Feminism is about equality, nothing more, and I love that some of my favourite feminists are men. There is no agenda that men need to fear...

These constant posts shitting on women are so fucking depressing...

 

[SoulAssasin247]

The numbers are low, but it is real and male victims deserve every inch of support and sympathy given to female victims. Feminism is about equality, nothing more, and I love that some of my favourite feminists are men. There is no agenda that men need to fear...

These constant posts shitting on women are so fucking depressing...

I don't want to hear about this issue affecting so small a population, it's just an excuse to justify shit. Men are physically stronger, so most cases are from mental weakness. When there's women and children getting raped and sold into forced rape/prostitution and the penalty isn't nearly harsh enough. I am a real man, not one of these crying feel sorry for me new generation males and I smell the bs.

 

[IG_88]

I'm just gonna assume it's a troll and leave it at that.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I don't even know what 'mainstream feminism' means - you're literally the only person I ever see/hear using that term.

It's not like I haven't explained this to you a hundred times. Please tell me which word you don't understand in this sentence:

Mainstream feminism is the feminists with political power and media presence. They're the corrupt, radicalized part of feminism.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I genuinely wish I could soothe your angry soul, anger eats you up like a cancer, and it’s a fucking tradgey because it’s such a beautiful world. I have survived rape, more than once, I can’t hate every man because of it - it’s ridiculously unfair and I would miss out on some astonishing people. Learn to let go, for your sake at least, xx

As soon as feminists learn to let go of their hatred for men, then we have a deal.

Until then shush your little mouth.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I don't want to hear about this issue affecting so small a population, it's just an excuse to justify shit. Men are physically stronger, so most cases are from mental weakness. When there's women and children getting raped and sold into forced rape/prostitution and the penalty isn't nearly harsh enough. I am a real man, not one of these crying feel sorry for me new generation males and I smell the bs.

And this is why traditional conservatism is as big an enemy of men's rights as feminism.

 

[SoulAssasin247]

And this is why traditional conservatism is as big an enemy of men's rights as feminism.

Men's rights really, old men make decisions on women's bodies. The laws for domestic violence are ridiculous, you can beat your wife half to death and not serve jail time or very little jail time, but get into a street fight with a man and you can get anywhere between 3-8 years. Look how often male rapists get released, they get several opportunities, despite their cruel actions and you ruined her for life.


I am not for the feminist movement either, when a woman tries to compete with a man, she loses what makes her special and valuable. Women weren't meant to do everything men do and men weren't meant to do everything a woman does. Man and woman have great value to society, as different sexes we all contribute something special. A man needs a woman and a woman needs a man to be for proper balance

 

[KimGordon67]

It's not like I haven't explained this to you a hundred times. Please tell me which word you don't understand in this sentence:

Mainstream feminism is the feminists with political power and media presence. They're the corrupt, radicalized part of feminism.

Your very next post says 'As soon as feminists learn to let go of their hatred for men, then we have a deal.'

Are you pissed at 'mainstream feminists' or just feminists. You really need to make your mind up.

(PS - all feminists are 'radicalised' - that's sort of the point.)