More Americans Pro-Life than Pro-Choice

[WriterDom]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/More-Americans-Pro-Life-Than-Pro-Choice-First-Time.aspx

For the fist time ever. Interesting. It's never been a hot button issue for me. But I have become more Pro-Life in the last few years.

 

[Gilroygal69]

It's not a hot button issue for you because you're don't have a uterus. I'm not trying to be snarky. I think it's perfectly natural. I wouldn't really be all up in arms if there was a law mandating circumcision because I don't have a penis.

But you wouldn't like it very much, I'm guessing.

I am not pro abortion. When I was 16, I went with my best friend to have an abortion. She was already nearly 5 months along, so she had an IDEX (otherwise knows as partial birth abortion) which is outlawed in most states now, I believe.

She was so distraught that they let me go back with her and hold her hand. She wasn't put under general anaesthesia, but she was drugged up pretty good. Once that was done, I don't think she knew a lot of what was going on, but I did.

I couldn't see anything of course. There was a drape separating her lower body from her head. But I could hear. And smell. When the nurse took away the pan with the baby's body in it, I glimpsed a tiny hand.

It changed me forever, that experience. Because of that, I would never, ever choose an abortion for myself. Ever.

But I don't presume to have the right to choose for someone else.

Would you like for someone to tell you that you HAD to be circumcized? It's apples and oranges of course. A life does not hang in the balance when a man is circumcized. I'm just trying to illustrate the point that allowing the government to mandate our medical and reproductive choices is a very scary thing and a slippery slope to traverse.

Anyway. I find that very disheartening. I like to think we, as a society, are moving forward, but in so many ways, we are not. I guess women will always have to fight for their rights.

 

[FurryFury]

I'm pro choice and always will be. Not that I like abortion or recommend it. I'm just not with the idea that a woman's body must also be her prison while the baby gestates.

When you are pregnant btw, people tend to treat you like a public utility to be touched and told what to do and how to do it. It makes for a snarky village that I didn't enjoy.

However, I would never have an abortion unless it would save my children lives or something.

I would never encourage anyone else to have one either.

Just as I would never tell someone their body wasn't theirs to do with as they pleased.

If I had listened to others I wouldn't have my daugther today. If my mom had listened to other when abortion wasn't legal I wouldn't be here today.

Regardless this should be an individual choice. That's my opinion.

 

[Netzach]

On Gallup planet maybe.

This seems to be how they feel and vote.

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Regardless this should be an individual choice. That's my opinion. "

 

[WriterDom]

I think every girl should have to take some form of contraception shots from 13 up until 18. We make kids get other shots why not that? Then at 18 offer them other choices but make it free.

 

[Netzach]

I think every girl should have to take some form of contraception shots from 13 up until 18. We make kids get other shots why not that? Then at 18 offer them other choices but make it free.

What about boys? You know, some premarin will suppress those swimmers. Sorry, I was almost killed by hormonal BC.

 

[FurryFury]

I think every girl should have to take some form of contraception shots from 13 up until 18. We make kids get other shots why not that? Then at 18 offer them other choices but make it free.

Sorry that's crap. I would fight that. My girl hasn't been sexually active during that time with anyone else other than herself. Taking contraception shots which are not exactly safe for women but legislated would send me through the roof.

 

[FurryFury]

What about boys? You know, some premarin will suppress those swimmers. Sorry, I was almost killed by hormonal BC.

Oh, this is always put on the girls. Boys can do as they will - NOT! I've taught mine to never stick his dick in anyone for any reason, no matter what, without protection. Of course he isn't sexually active yet either but we've had condoms around for him to use for a while.

 

[WriterDom]

What about boys? You know, some premarin will suppress those swimmers. Sorry, I was almost killed by hormonal BC.

That wouldn't work. You'd have to do all men.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

I think every girl should have to take some form of contraception shots from 13 up until 18. We make kids get other shots why not that? Then at 18 offer them other choices but make it free.

Wouldn't that just encourage them to be promiscuous? What if the hormonal BC fails? If that was enforced I bet condom use among teens would plummet. They're young, immature and need education and protection, not a shot as though they were a pet cat or something.

I also agree with FF and Netz's comments.

In the UK, most people are pro-choice. I think that proportionately, fewer people in the UK are religious than in the USA, which is undoubtedly a factor. It's interesting to be sandwished between the USA and mainland Europe because France is apparently the most atheist country in the world, whereas in Italy abortion is still illegal due to the influence of the Vatican.

 

[WriterDom]

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/rel_chu_att-religion-church-attendance

 

[VelvetDarkness]

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/rel_chu_att-religion-church-attendance

Fair enough, I sit partially corrected. I just read that about France recently, clearly it was inaccurate. What is meant about 'Church Attendance' though? Does it mean specifically Christian? Russia is at the bottom of that graph but the Orthodox Church there has quite a following.

 

[intothewoods]

What about boys? You know, some premarin will suppress those swimmers. Sorry, I was almost killed by hormonal BC.

Sorry that's crap. I would fight that. My girl hasn't been sexually active during that time with anyone else other than herself. Taking contraception shots which are not exactly safe for women but legislated would send me through the roof.

Contraception "shots" are not necessarily safe at all. It really depends on the individual, but I certainly wouldn't want to mandate something that some people react badly to. And the effect on a 13 year old is probably different than on an 18 year old.

 

[Gilroygal69]

I think every girl should have to take some form of contraception shots from 13 up until 18. We make kids get other shots why not that? Then at 18 offer them other choices but make it free.

Hormonal birth control, unlike innoculation against disease, has some very well documented harmful side effects. Among them:

Eye problems or vision impairment
Gallbladder disease and gallstones
Embolism
Resistance to Insulin
Immune system suppression
Heart attack
Stroke
Breast tumors and liver tumors
Ectopic Pregnancies
Links with certain cancers such as cervical cancer
Blood clots in legs, lungs, heart and brain
Jaundice

Sound like a benign little pill to you? No, me neither. But I took them for years. It wasn't until I stopped to begin a family that I realized my debilitating migraines diminished drastically in frequency and severity when there were no hormone in my system.

I don't want to get into a vax/non-vax debate, I just happen to believe that in general vaccinations are safe and a boon to mankind.

I can't say the same of hormonal birth control for womankind.

It seemed that way, initially, for women, particularly women of the working class, who had no choice in or escape from childbearing, but could not support all the children they bore.

Suddenly we had a say in the matter and that kind of freedom was heady stuff indeed.

It wasn't until years later that the effects started becoming evident. And they are more far reaching than anybody ever imagined. There's a reason the body works the way it does. I think we tamper with that at our own peril. And I certainly wouldn't put those substances into the body of a still developing girl.

I have boys, one of whom is, if not already sexually active, on the verge. I have talked and talked and talked and talked about sex. Sometimes it's hard. Once, he asked me if it was true that you can't get pregnant from anal sex. I about fell on the floor in convulsions. But I answered him as honestly and thoroughly as I could.

I've taught him to use condoms. I've even provided them for him. Because kids ARE going to have sex. And he has to be responsible for the consequences if he chooses to do so. Preaching abstinence is all well and good. But we can't depend on that. It's one tool in our arsenal. We have to take a blanket approach to the issue of teen sexuality and pregnancy. Meaning, we cover everything and take nothing for granted.

The answer isn't a shot. It's education, open communication, and realistic expectation.

 

[Daddy2mylilgirl]

In the UK, most people are pro-choice. I think that proportionately, fewer people in the UK are religious than in the USA, which is undoubtedly a factor. It's interesting to be sandwished between the USA and mainland Europe because France is apparently the most atheist country in the world, whereas in Italy abortion is still illegal due to the influence of the Vatican.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/rel_chu_att-religion-church-attendance

Being religious and going to to church are, to Me, two different things. I know many a person who goes to church every week because they "have to" and go for years like that.

For some people going to church is the only religious thing they do.

Fair enough, I sit partially corrected. I just read that about France recently, clearly it was inaccurate. What is meant about 'Church Attendance' though? Does it mean specifically Christian? Russia is at the bottom of that graph but the Orthodox Church there has quite a following.

DEFINITION: The percentage of adults surveyed who claimed that they attend Church services one or more times per week.

 

[WriterDom]

Fair enough, I sit partially corrected. I just read that about France recently, clearly it was inaccurate. What is meant about 'Church Attendance' though? Does it mean specifically Christian? Russia is at the bottom of that graph but the Orthodox Church there has quite a following.

It's just church attendance. When you look at belief in God, France is very low.

 

[FurryFury]

For the record, I don't care about teens having sex as long as it's what each individual wants to do.

I am less about pregnancy prevention than disease prevention. I don't believe that providing information and barrier methods will either encourage or discourage teens from having sex.

 

[Yasashii_Kaze]

Pro-life, female, and non-religious. Just to throw a kink in the chain. My reasons are my own, however, and I'm not really interested in joining the discussion.

 

[Etoile]

Contraception "shots" are not necessarily safe at all. It really depends on the individual, but I certainly wouldn't want to mandate something that some people react badly to. And the effect on a 13 year old is probably different than on an 18 year old.

I was on Depo-Provera ("the shot") from age 19 to age 24. Five years - and only THEN did they figure out that you can't be on it for more than TWO years. It does horrible things to your bone density. I was literally the youngest person the bone scan people had ever tested, and they told me that it might not even be accurate in someone under 30, because you haven't achieved peak bone density yet.

To my knowledge the only major side effects are weight gain and depression. If you already have depression (like me) it won't get any worse, at least. Over half of women who are on Depo have no period whatsoever (which is why I used it). There are no life-threatening side effects associated with Depo, such as suicidal ideation or heart attacks or anything like that.

But because of the bone density issue, I would not give Depo to young girls. Not a chance. (Minimum approved age is 13.) Osteoporosis is already very common - we don't need to encourage it.

 

[Netzach]

45 percent of Americans in a June 18th Gallup poll believe homosexual relations should be ILLEGAL.

 

[FurryFury]

45 percent of Americans in a June 18th Gallup poll believe homosexual relations should be ILLEGAL.

There are so many intolerant ass holes out there.

 

[Netzach]

There are so many intolerant ass holes out there.

And Gallup is talking to them all.

However look out your window, world has not fallen apart yet in the throes of the Leftist overlords.

 

[WriterDom]

There are so many intolerant ass holes out there.

If you believe in your heart that it is murder, how can you be tolerant? It's above my pay grade to answer that question but that's the way some people see it.

 

[FurryFury]

And Gallup is talking to them all.

However look out your window, world has not fallen apart yet in the throes of the Leftist overlords.

LOL!

 

[Etoile]

If you believe in your heart that it is murder, how can you be tolerant? It's above my pay grade to answer that question but that's the way some people see it.

Being gay isn't murder - follow the topic!